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Post by werrington on Jun 30, 2021 12:24:53 GMT
For those asking what it was like in the stadium …This in a nutshell and replicated on every single seat on every single tier Ay up, Werrington, do you have an England flag with Werrington across it? If so, you need to get yourself a copy of today's Daily Telegraph, you're on p5 of the Sport section! No mate that’s not me but cheers anyway
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 30, 2021 12:24:57 GMT
As much as it wasn't exactly a joy to watch for most of the game, it has to be accepted that Southgate had a plan and it worked. I see it as a bit like the Pulis era here at Stoke - it was hugely successful and gave us some fantastic times, but on a day to day basis a lot of it was turgid to watch, even as a Stoke supporter. Goodness knows what other fans must've thought. And I speak as a fan of the Pulis era. To be honest mate if Scotland had nicked one at Wembley I’d have had it down as Scotland’s best ever performance despite the rest of Europe probably being bored off their absolute tits. From as proximate to neutral as I can be thought England were the less sh!t of the two sides up to 60-70 minutes but were fairly obviously the better of the two sides for the last quarter of the game. I think as much has been pinned on the Grealish substitute Germany fucked it up taking Werner off too because as soon as it was Muller up top you just pushed right up and Germany looked absolutely clueless in what they were attempting to achieve – when you scored the second they looked anything from German as they were all over the shop. Just shows how thin the line is because half way through the second half Southgate was probably on a shoogly peg if England lost given how they setup. Totally understandable because it was like you were playing the semi before the last 16 and QF given how the draw has shaped up – all that really mattered was getting through really. No doubting it’s been Greece levels of boring so far but you could probably skelp a few goals in the next two rounds not even hitting top gear. England have got a deep squad filled with more of the exciting talent whereas Ukraine / Denmark / Czech’s will be getting into the arse end of theirs likely playing in the local leagues. I think Southgate should resist the urge to go adventurous and exciting. His team is clearly comfortable with the way it's playing, even if it is a bit Pulis/Mourinho-esque in its approach. Tight and solid without over-committing forward looks to be working for us, I don't care who it's against. The one time we did get stretched (Muller) was when we lost the ball and had pushed up too high (admittedly following a mistake by Sterling), which is why we should carry on with the cautious approach.
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Post by samdan on Jun 30, 2021 12:58:12 GMT
Just thinking back and that might be the first time I’ve ever seen us beat Germany in my 44 year existence. I was on a flight to Sydney when we thrashed them 5-1, and locked up in a Brussels cell awaiting deportation when we beat them in Euro 2000. Can’t think of any other games friendly or otherwise? Beat them 3-0 in 1985 in Mexico too
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 30, 2021 13:30:53 GMT
Just thinking back and that might be the first time I’ve ever seen us beat Germany in my 44 year existence. I was on a flight to Sydney when we thrashed them 5-1, and locked up in a Brussels cell awaiting deportation when we beat them in Euro 2000. Can’t think of any other games friendly or otherwise? Beat them 3-0 in 1985 in Mexico too For those of us a few year’s older there was that never to be forgotten night when Alan Hudson ran the show against West Germany in 1975. His second and last cap. (Edit.. as pointed out below, this game was his debut. His second, and disgracefully last, cap came against Cyprus in a 5-0 win). Criminal.
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Post by meltonjohn on Jun 30, 2021 13:43:01 GMT
That was an awesome performance from Huddy.
Also think it’s hilarious and brilliant if England win #Euro2021 with a captain wearing a rainbow armband, a player who has repeatedly taken down Boris Johnson and a team taking the knee for #BlackLivesMatter 🙌🥳#footballscominghome
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Post by meltonjohn on Jun 30, 2021 13:49:02 GMT
Shaw had a good game. Really good. I think you are only half right Joe. Shaw was never more than average in the first half, I thought. He was rather better in the third quarter and shone in the last quarter when Grealish was on the pitch and Sterling moved to the right. This isn't particularly knocking Shaw and certainly not knocking Sterling. But the addition of Grealish suddenly seemed to give Shaw licence to operate much more in the final third of the pitch - which given that he was a wing back and not a full back is where he could do most damage. Funny how people see different things. I thought Shaw did a great job keeping Kimmich quiet all game, excellent performance.
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Post by noustie on Jun 30, 2021 13:56:42 GMT
To be honest mate if Scotland had nicked one at Wembley I’d have had it down as Scotland’s best ever performance despite the rest of Europe probably being bored off their absolute tits. From as proximate to neutral as I can be thought England were the less sh!t of the two sides up to 60-70 minutes but were fairly obviously the better of the two sides for the last quarter of the game. I think as much has been pinned on the Grealish substitute Germany fucked it up taking Werner off too because as soon as it was Muller up top you just pushed right up and Germany looked absolutely clueless in what they were attempting to achieve – when you scored the second they looked anything from German as they were all over the shop. Just shows how thin the line is because half way through the second half Southgate was probably on a shoogly peg if England lost given how they setup. Totally understandable because it was like you were playing the semi before the last 16 and QF given how the draw has shaped up – all that really mattered was getting through really. No doubting it’s been Greece levels of boring so far but you could probably skelp a few goals in the next two rounds not even hitting top gear. England have got a deep squad filled with more of the exciting talent whereas Ukraine / Denmark / Czech’s will be getting into the arse end of theirs likely playing in the local leagues. I think Southgate should resist the urge to go adventurous and exciting. His team is clearly comfortable with the way it's playing, even if it is a bit Pulis/Mourinho-esque in its approach. Tight and solid without over-committing forward looks to be working for us, I don't care who it's against. The one time we did get stretched (Muller) was when we lost the ball and had pushed up too high (admittedly following a mistake by Sterling), which is why we should carry on with the cautious approach. If I was an England fan I wouldn't want him to change much either - nobody is really going to care if you win the next 3 games 1-0 all from corners. I thought the only team that could beat France was France themselves and pretty much think this is where England now find themselves. Both Italy and Belgium look dodgy at the back and Spain aren't convincing at all.
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Post by AlliG on Jun 30, 2021 14:37:51 GMT
Beat them 3-0 in 1985 in Mexico too For those of us a few year’s older there was that never to be forgotten night when Alan Hudson ran the show against West Germany in 1975. His second and last cap. Criminal. That was actually his international debut. His 2nd and final cap was in the 5-0 win over Cyprus a month later.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 30, 2021 15:16:23 GMT
For those of us a few year’s older there was that never to be forgotten night when Alan Hudson ran the show against West Germany in 1975. His second and last cap. Criminal. That was actually his international debut. His 2nd and final cap was in the 5-0 win over Cyprus a month later. Whoops. Memory playing tricks! Btw - that’s some line up for England in this game. Keegan and MacDonald up front, Bell, Channon, Ball and Hudson in midfield. Some contrast to the 11 we played on Monday. That is 5 very attacking players, and Ball was no slouch getting forward either. It’s astonishing we failed to qualify for so many major tournaments in the 1970s, even noting tournaments then had far few countries qualifying.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 30, 2021 15:22:58 GMT
I think Southgate should resist the urge to go adventurous and exciting. His team is clearly comfortable with the way it's playing, even if it is a bit Pulis/Mourinho-esque in its approach. Tight and solid without over-committing forward looks to be working for us, I don't care who it's against. The one time we did get stretched (Muller) was when we lost the ball and had pushed up too high (admittedly following a mistake by Sterling), which is why we should carry on with the cautious approach. If I was an England fan I wouldn't want him to change much either - nobody is really going to care if you win the next 3 games 1-0 all from corners. I thought the only team that could beat France was France themselves and pretty much think this is where England now find themselves. Both Italy and Belgium look dodgy at the back and Spain aren't convincing at all. I'm keeping my feet very firmly on the ground, seen way too many instances where England flatter to deceive and that should be Southgate's priority too with his players. Take the confidence of beating Germany but accept that it's a job not even half done yet. As soon as they start believing it's theirs they'll slip up. Just keep working and grinding the opposition down.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 16:08:06 GMT
I think Southgate should resist the urge to go adventurous and exciting. His team is clearly comfortable with the way it's playing, even if it is a bit Pulis/Mourinho-esque in its approach. Tight and solid without over-committing forward looks to be working for us, I don't care who it's against. The one time we did get stretched (Muller) was when we lost the ball and had pushed up too high (admittedly following a mistake by Sterling), which is why we should carry on with the cautious approach. If I was an England fan I wouldn't want him to change much either - nobody is really going to care if you win the next 3 games 1-0 all from corners. I thought the only team that could beat France was France themselves and pretty much think this is where England now find themselves. Both Italy and Belgium look dodgy at the back and Spain aren't convincing at all. Italy have just broken a World record for the most minutes without conceding a goal in international football
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Post by lordb on Jun 30, 2021 16:30:10 GMT
If I was an England fan I wouldn't want him to change much either - nobody is really going to care if you win the next 3 games 1-0 all from corners. I thought the only team that could beat France was France themselves and pretty much think this is where England now find themselves. Both Italy and Belgium look dodgy at the back and Spain aren't convincing at all. Italy have just broken a World record for the most minutes without conceding a goal in international football true however Austria fashioned numerous chances against them Italy are good but not the unbeatable side their recent record might suggest If De Bruyne is good to go can't see them beating Belgium however if he's not then very differnt game, still can't see Italy dealing with Lukaku very well should be a good game that one
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 17:18:04 GMT
Italy have just broken a World record for the most minutes without conceding a goal in international football true however Austria fashioned numerous chances against them Italy are good but not the unbeatable side their recent record might suggest If De Bruyne is good to go can't see them beating Belgium however if he's not then very differnt game, still can't see Italy dealing with Lukaku very well should be a good game that one True. Be incredibly hard to beat though Gonna be a cracker. Been some great games so far.
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Post by barrythe on Jun 30, 2021 17:21:31 GMT
Don't know if this as been mentioned before, but has anyone noticed that Southgates assistant is a doppelganger for Michael O'Neil.
See him behind him on the side lines during the games and any pressers. Just wondering if anyone knew it was MON ?
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Post by lordb on Jun 30, 2021 19:03:39 GMT
Don't know if this as been mentioned before, but has anyone noticed that Southgates assistant is a doppelganger for Michael O'Neil. See him behind him on the side lines during the games and any pressers. Just wondering if anyone knew it was MON ? Steve Holland?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 30, 2021 19:05:22 GMT
Don't know if this as been mentioned before, but has anyone noticed that Southgates assistant is a doppelganger for Michael O'Neil. See him behind him on the side lines during the games and any pressers. Just wondering if anyone knew it was MON ? Always looks really sweaty and mithered. Steve Holland I think
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 21:25:50 GMT
Watched the game (obviously). Watched the highlights last night. Watched the goals on Social Media various times throughout the day (on breaks at work). Watched the goals on Social Media again when I got home from work. Just watched the highlights again too. Will it ever get old??
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Post by salopstick on Jun 30, 2021 21:39:05 GMT
Beat them 3-0 in 1985 in Mexico too For those of us a few year’s older there was that never to be forgotten night when Alan Hudson ran the show against West Germany in 1975. His second and last cap. (Edit.. as pointed out below, this game was his debut. His second, and disgracefully last, cap came against Cyprus in a 5-0 win). Criminal. Nearly every flair player England produce does not get the caps or game time they deserve. Or are played out of position limiting their effectiveness
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Post by barrythe on Jun 30, 2021 21:51:53 GMT
Don't know if this as been mentioned before, but has anyone noticed that Southgates assistant is a doppelganger for Michael O'Neil. See him behind him on the side lines during the games and any pressers. Just wondering if anyone knew it was MON ? Steve Holland? That's the ticket Steve Holland thanks guys... must be twin separated at birth I reckon... explains the solid defence and distinct lack of goals with such talented attacking players. 👏
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 30, 2021 22:02:14 GMT
Don't know if this as been mentioned before, but has anyone noticed that Southgates assistant is a doppelganger for Michael O'Neil. See him behind him on the side lines during the games and any pressers. Just wondering if anyone knew it was MON ? Always looks really sweaty and mithered. Steve Holland I think Yes Steve Holland. I bet many Stokies have forgotten he worked for us for a few weeks before jumping ship to Chelsea.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 30, 2021 23:29:29 GMT
For those of us a few year’s older there was that never to be forgotten night when Alan Hudson ran the show against West Germany in 1975. His second and last cap. (Edit.. as pointed out below, this game was his debut. His second, and disgracefully last, cap came against Cyprus in a 5-0 win). Criminal. Nearly every flair player England produce does not get the caps or game time they deserve. Or are played out of position limiting their effectiveness That school of thought steted in the 70s. There's elements of accuracy to it although it masks several uncomfortable truths. In many respects they haven't been equipped to handle the varying challenges international football brings.
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Post by mutters on Jun 30, 2021 23:59:38 GMT
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Post by mutters on Jul 1, 2021 0:04:49 GMT
Come on werrington give us the low down? How special was it? Any pics? It was superb mate but I can’t post pictures I’m 55 ffs That atmosphere was truly unbelievable and the carnage for the two goals just had to be witnessed Truly fucking awesome Hope you don't mind but I posted a couple for you You are totally right, the second goal was carnage Unbelievable
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Post by salopstick on Jul 1, 2021 7:34:25 GMT
Nearly every flair player England produce does not get the caps or game time they deserve. Or are played out of position limiting their effectiveness That school of thought steted in the 70s. There's elements of accuracy to it although it masks several uncomfortable truths. In many respects they haven't been equipped to handle the varying challenges international football brings. I don’t know joe. At club level you can have the luxury of a flair player seemingly do nothing for 80 minutes for that moment of magic. Or accept he will have games manmarked out. But over a season you will get results. I don’t think you have the luxury of time at international level
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Post by noustie on Jul 1, 2021 8:37:23 GMT
If I was an England fan I wouldn't want him to change much either - nobody is really going to care if you win the next 3 games 1-0 all from corners. I thought the only team that could beat France was France themselves and pretty much think this is where England now find themselves. Both Italy and Belgium look dodgy at the back and Spain aren't convincing at all. Italy have just broken a World record for the most minutes without conceding a goal in international football For me though recent form hasn't been as convincing where Wales could have scored with 10 men. In the knock out round they looked spooked in parts by Austria and weren't a million miles from going out. Be interesting to see how they do against Belgium because wouldn't be surprised if balls over the top behind their wing-backs caused them some real issues.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 1, 2021 9:04:45 GMT
That school of thought steted in the 70s. There's elements of accuracy to it although it masks several uncomfortable truths. In many respects they haven't been equipped to handle the varying challenges international football brings. I don’t know joe. At club level you can have the luxury of a flair player seemingly do nothing for 80 minutes for that moment of magic. Or accept he will have games manmarked out. But over a season you will get results. I don’t think you have the luxury of time at international level No you don't. Never did. Remember the mavericks all got caps but rarely made much impression. Hudson made the most impression but only got two. But twice he turned down the chance to play for England.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 1, 2021 11:38:20 GMT
I don’t know joe. At club level you can have the luxury of a flair player seemingly do nothing for 80 minutes for that moment of magic. Or accept he will have games manmarked out. But over a season you will get results. I don’t think you have the luxury of time at international level No you don't. Never did. Remember the mavericks all got caps but rarely made much impression. Hudson made the most impression but only got two. But twice he turned down the chance to play for England. Even worse when they show horn them on the left wing
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Post by AlliG on Jul 1, 2021 13:29:11 GMT
I don’t know joe. At club level you can have the luxury of a flair player seemingly do nothing for 80 minutes for that moment of magic. Or accept he will have games manmarked out. But over a season you will get results. I don’t think you have the luxury of time at international level No you don't. Never did. Remember the mavericks all got caps but rarely made much impression. Hudson made the most impression but only got two. But twice he turned down the chance to play for England. Huddy and Jimmy Greenhoff were both selected for the England v Wales game on 24th March 1976. Unfortunately, Stoke had a rearranged game that night against Derby and as the international was a friendly, both players were withdrawn by Stoke from the England squad. In the game at Derby, Huddy had his leg broken when Bruce Rioch went over the top in a challenge out on the touchline (just in front of where I was standing). Huddy missed the rest of the season and was unavailable for the summer internationals and Jimmy never got selected again. If the two of them had been able to play for England together, who knows what would have happened. Sometimes you just need to be in the right place at the right time or not get injured at the wrong time.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 2, 2021 12:01:36 GMT
No you don't. Never did. Remember the mavericks all got caps but rarely made much impression. Hudson made the most impression but only got two. But twice he turned down the chance to play for England. Even worse when they show horn them on the left wing The English thing was to cram anyone left footed in at left back. Whatever qualities they had.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 12:14:25 GMT
Even worse when they show horn them on the left wing The English thing was to cram anyone left footed in at left back. Whatever qualities they had. Didn't Hudson also break a curfew on England duty? Not the smartest thing to do when new to the squad. brought it on himself a bit
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