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Post by Waggy on Jun 6, 2021 6:56:57 GMT
Spurs have the biggest fan base of non glory hunting teams. If they start winning could get massive. Massive in Japan and other parts of Asia. Fan clubs go to their games in droves to watch in bars etc On about home support
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 6, 2021 8:24:26 GMT
They're an odd one. A few years of getting in the Champions League and all of a sudden they think they're some big I am. In my lifetime they've never won the league and I can only remember them being in the race for one once, when Leicester won it. And tbh until like 2011/2012 I'd have happily banded them with Everton and Villa. A club on the cusp of being able to do some big things but never actually doing it. Don't know what you class as on the cusp of being able to do something villa have won the league and fa Cup 7 times aswell as the European cup/champions league. Consistently and in my lifetime. They’re a decent sized club but have done shit all really since the early 80s?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 8:27:28 GMT
I wish we were having the kind of crisis that Spurs are currently having.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 6, 2021 8:30:59 GMT
I wish we were having the kind of crisis that Spurs are currently having. If they lose Kane it could send them properly to midtable which would be a pretty bad one. And from the outside they do seem atm to be pretty batshit with how they’re doing things. Sacking Poch and then replacing him with Mourinho was mental. Then sacking Mourinho 3 days before a cup final and replacing him with a token gesture essentially. Just pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 9:00:02 GMT
I wish we were having the kind of crisis that Spurs are currently having. If they lose Kane it could send them properly to midtable which would be a pretty bad one. And from the outside they do seem atm to be pretty batshit with how they’re doing things. Sacking Poch and then replacing him with Mourinho was mental. Then sacking Mourinho 3 days before a cup final and replacing him with a token gesture essentially. Just pathetic. Hard to argue with any of that to be fair mate. Mourinho is a busted flush at the top level of English football and was never the right man for Man Utd or Spurs. They obviously fell foul of the fated "next level" where Poch was concerned, but in reality where he had them competing was probably as good as it gets for them unless they get one of the worlds big name managers in,but that isn't happening anytime soon. Spurs are a big club in this country, but are in a group of clubs behind the real big boys,and always have been since I've been watching football. Without the risk of repeating myself though, I'd love our crisis to be like theirs is at the minute
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 9:05:42 GMT
If they lose Kane it could send them properly to midtable which would be a pretty bad one. And from the outside they do seem atm to be pretty batshit with how they’re doing things. Sacking Poch and then replacing him with Mourinho was mental. Then sacking Mourinho 3 days before a cup final and replacing him with a token gesture essentially. Just pathetic. Hard to argue with any of that to be fair mate. Mourinho is a busted flush at the top level of English football and was never the right man for Man Utd or Spurs. They obviously fell foul of the fated "next level" where Poch was concerned, but in reality where he had them competing was probably as good as it gets for them unless they get one of the worlds big name managers in,but that isn't happening anytime soon. Spurs are a big club in this country, but are in a group of clubs behind the real big boys,and always have been since I've been watching football. Without the risk of repeating myself though , I'd love our crisis to be like theirs is at the minute For sure but to be fair they're not in a crisis. The day we can get Chas and Dave knocking out witty tunes about us then we can look down on them. Actually these days I think they're just known as Dave.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 9:18:05 GMT
Hard to argue with any of that to be fair mate. Mourinho is a busted flush at the top level of English football and was never the right man for Man Utd or Spurs. They obviously fell foul of the fated "next level" where Poch was concerned, but in reality where he had them competing was probably as good as it gets for them unless they get one of the worlds big name managers in,but that isn't happening anytime soon. Spurs are a big club in this country, but are in a group of clubs behind the real big boys,and always have been since I've been watching football. Without the risk of repeating myself though , I'd love our crisis to be like theirs is at the minute For sure but to be fair they're not in a crisis. The day we can get Chas and Dave knocking out witty tunes about us then we can look down on them. Actually these days I think they're just known as Dave. By the time we get to Wembley again we'll be able get their Great Grandkids to knock us a ditty up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 9:20:11 GMT
For sure but to be fair they're not in a crisis. The day we can get Chas and Dave knocking out witty tunes about us then we can look down on them. Actually these days I think they're just known as Dave. By the time we get to Wembley again we'll be able get their Great Grandkids to knock us a ditty up. With all this PC rubbish will be Got my organic gingerbread skinny soy latte in the sideboard here
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 9:23:05 GMT
By the time we get to Wembley again we'll be able get their Great Grandkids to knock us a ditty up. With all this PC rubbish will be Got my organic gingerbread skinny soy latte in the sideboard here You've got more Rabbit than Poundland, and loads of tattoos on yer chest
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 6, 2021 9:25:02 GMT
If they lose Kane it could send them properly to midtable which would be a pretty bad one. And from the outside they do seem atm to be pretty batshit with how they’re doing things. Sacking Poch and then replacing him with Mourinho was mental. Then sacking Mourinho 3 days before a cup final and replacing him with a token gesture essentially. Just pathetic. Hard to argue with any of that to be fair mate. Mourinho is a busted flush at the top level of English football and was never the right man for Man Utd or Spurs. They obviously fell foul of the fated "next level" where Poch was concerned, but in reality where he had them competing was probably as good as it gets for them unless they get one of the worlds big name managers in,but that isn't happening anytime soon. Spurs are a big club in this country, but are in a group of clubs behind the real big boys,and always have been since I've been watching football. Without the risk of repeating myself though, I'd love our crisis to be like theirs is at the minute I think it’s relative. Yes it’s a better place to be obviously but relatively I think they’re similar. It’ll be interesting to see who they can attract manager wise. With no Kane or Bale it could be a struggle to sell it to one of the bigger names they are after. But for someone wanting to build a reputation and a team it would be a good opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 11:09:08 GMT
I wish we were having the kind of crisis that Spurs are currently having. If they lose Kane it could send them properly to midtable which would be a pretty bad one. And from the outside they do seem atm to be pretty batshit with how they’re doing things. Sacking Poch and then replacing him with Mourinho was mental. Then sacking Mourinho 3 days before a cup final and replacing him with a token gesture essentially. Just pathetic. One of the things which has characterized Levy's management is that he wouldn't allow players to leave unless he had ready made replacements, or at least that's what he used to do. He used all the money from Bale's sale on 9 players, but not one of them succeded in filling his shoes. One of the nine, Eriksen became a key player in other ways, but despite when Eriksen gave plenty of notice of leaving they still haven't found a real replacement. It doesn't look like they have anyone ready to take Kane's shoes. As for Mourinho he must have done something unforgivable, like shagging Levy's wife, to have been sacked like that. It just hasn't gone above the radar.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Jun 6, 2021 17:04:28 GMT
I quite like Spurs.
If I wasn't utterly besotted with Stoke I'd have to choose between Spurs, Villa or Pompey to cause me endless hours of frustration instead of the Mighty Potters.
Oh, and Harry Kane is a beast of a player.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 6, 2021 17:44:09 GMT
They're an odd one. A few years of getting in the Champions League and all of a sudden they think they're some big I am. In my lifetime they've never won the league and I can only remember them being in the race for one once, when Leicester won it. And tbh until like 2011/2012 I'd have happily banded them with Everton and Villa. A club on the cusp of being able to do some big things but never actually doing it. And in 2016 they actually ended up finishing 3rd. Beaten to 2nd by Arsenal. Very Spursy Indeed....they managed to come third in a two-horse race. Quite an achievement.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jun 6, 2021 17:46:52 GMT
I quite like Spurs. If I wasn't utterly besotted with Stoke I'd have to choose between Spurs, Villa or Pompey to cause me endless hours of frustration instead of the Mighty Potters. Oh, and Harry Kane is a beast of a player. That cow bell would soon put you off Pompey.
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Post by thfc67 on Jun 6, 2021 19:24:57 GMT
And in 2016 they actually ended up finishing 3rd. Beaten to 2nd by Arsenal. Very Spursy Indeed....they managed to come third in a two-horse race. Quite an achievement. OK. I'm going to bite. You hear this 'third in a two-horse race' so many times (made up by an arsenal fan I believe). Sure, it sounds funny, but it's bollocks. There was no race in the 2015-16 Premier League. It was a procession Leicester City went top of the PL on Week 23 (23rd Jan) after beating Stoke 3-0; and never dropped below that position to the end. Man City and Arsenal were 2nd & 3rd, 3 points behind, with Spurs in 4th place, 5 points behind. Of the remaining 15 games Leicester won 10 and drew 4. Spurs were never topped the table once in the season. What Spurs did do was have a great run of games but they were depending on Leicester slipping up. Sure, after 'The Battle of the Bridge' where there were 12 bookings (9 for Spurs) - finished 2-2. Spurs lost there final 2 games, letting Arsenal pip them for 2nd place on the final day. But, even if Spurs had beaten Chelsea and won their last two games. Leicester would still have been Champions. Leicester finished on 81 points, 10 ahead of Arsenal, and 11 of Spurs. I was more gutted the following season when we finished on 86 points, second to Chelsea.
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Post by hardcastle on Jun 6, 2021 19:31:52 GMT
Oft repeated myth beats fact. How else do you explain Brexit?
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 6, 2021 19:37:46 GMT
I mean, the phrase is humorous and isn’t ever intended to stand up to detailed analysis. However as someone who lives in Leicester and was here throughout that title season....in the latter half of the season there was very much a perception here that it was going to be either Leicester or Spurs, so effectively a two horse race, but then Spurs came third. That’s where the phrase has its origins. Like most things in football it’s rather more nuanced than that, but when has that ever stopped any of us?
Worse still I had to sit through all this as a Stoke fan, although at least we were not then what we are now.
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Post by thfc67 on Jun 6, 2021 21:08:35 GMT
I mean, the phrase is humorous and isn’t ever intended to stand up to detailed analysis. However as someone who lives in Leicester and was here throughout that title season....in the latter half of the season there was very much a perception here that it was going to be either Leicester or Spurs, so effectively a two horse race, but then Spurs came third. That’s where the phrase has its origins. Like most things it football it’s rather more nuanced than that, but when has that ever stopped any of us? Worse still I had to sit through all this as a Stoke fan, although at least we were not then what we are now. Point taken, and well expressed. I'm an old frustrated (football wise) Spurs supporter, easily roused (anywise).
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Post by raythesailor on Jun 6, 2021 21:25:20 GMT
With is record there is little doubt that Levy is a very shrewd and dare I say unscrupulous business man.
Would you buy a used car off him.?
Remembering his dealings with us would you buy a player off him again?
I have to wonder is this Harry Kane wanting out situation orchestrated just as he reaches his peak and max value before his inevitable decline ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 11:29:04 GMT
I think levy has been shrewd in the past , but His ego has got the better of him , building a brand new stadium , for over a billion quid .
You can't spend a billion quid on a new stadium without affecting your transfer budget , no matter who you are .
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Post by marylandstoke on Jun 7, 2021 13:28:10 GMT
I think levy has been shrewd in the past , but His ego has got the better of him , building a brand new stadium , for over a billion quid . You can't spend a billion quid on a new stadium without affecting your transfer budget , no matter who you are . Pretty sure that whole ego stadium of his was built on the now shifted sand of the European Super pap. If I was Sonny I would be mouthing ‘Take me with you’ at Hazza.
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Post by hardcastle on Jun 7, 2021 18:33:24 GMT
I think levy has been shrewd in the past , but His ego has got the better of him , building a brand new stadium , for over a billion quid . You can't spend a billion quid on a new stadium without affecting your transfer budget , no matter who you are . Historically very low interest rates plus significantly increasing the club's annual earnings potential. I'm guessing they've done the numbers.
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 7, 2021 23:42:48 GMT
You can bet that Spurs have done their financial homework. Have you SEEN that stadium? That thing is a wonderment. Nothing wrong with having class in your infrastructure. Like it or not, Spurs have fought and scratched to get to where they are at and they aren't idiots. I just can't generate a whole lot of dislike for Spurs. The Pig 6 are threatened by Tottenham lurking around. Spurs can pin a loss on you that ruins Biff & Muffy's celebratory end of the year garden-party.
Kane - they're smart enough to know that he likely is at the peak of his career, so worth more NOW than ever. They have several other good players. And you never know who they may sign this summer, especially if Kane goes. I only disagree in them letting Pochettino go in the first place.
Yeah, I wish we had their "crisis."
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 8, 2021 11:19:12 GMT
A lot of people say similar and that they wish we had a "crisis" like Tottenhams. I started the thread and would draw attention to the question mark after the word crisis, indicating that it wasn't a statement of fact but an enquiry.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 8, 2021 11:31:54 GMT
You can bet that Spurs have done their financial homework. Have you SEEN that stadium? That thing is a wonderment. Nothing wrong with having class in your infrastructure. Like it or not, Spurs have fought and scratched to get to where they are at and they aren't idiots. I just can't generate a whole lot of dislike for Spurs. The Pig 6 are threatened by Tottenham lurking around. Spurs can pin a loss on you that ruins Biff & Muffy's celebratory end of the year garden-party. Kane - they're smart enough to know that he likely is at the peak of his career, so worth more NOW than ever. They have several other good players. And you never know who they may sign this summer, especially if Kane goes. I only disagree in them letting Pochettino go in the first place. Yeah, I wish we had their "crisis." Tottenham are very much part of the 'Pig 6'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 11:33:09 GMT
I actually think they are in a worse position than people outside the club realise .
When you spend north of a billion quid on a new stadium ( when you already have a perfectly good stadium ) then you need Instant success or you're stuffed
I think they have stretched themselves to the point where they need to be qualifying for the champions League every year , or they are financially done for , an won't be able to sign the best players
And they are not going to be qualifying for the champions League every year
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Post by marylandstoke on Jun 8, 2021 12:37:20 GMT
Quite a good read.
For those that can’t do the whole thing I nipped this out:
Clearly Levy has a fine instinct for commerce. And yet in any normal business there would be some sort of reckoning for the serial errors that have occurred on his watch: a hierarchy to answer to, consequences to confront. Even the much-maligned Ed Woodward at Manchester United has to face the shareholders every few months. Levy, by contrast, operates a small circle of loyal nodding dogs, with an absentee owner in Joe Lewis who may as well be propped up by pillows and sticks. With fans locked out and largely ignored in any case, Levy basically has untrammelled power to keep messing up and getting away with it. How curious that the ninth richest club in the world has somehow ended in a position where the major footballing decisions are being taken by a guy who – with the greatest of respect – does not really seem to know that much about football. This much is evident from the club’s Amazon documentary, in which the normally reclusive Levy is clearly at pains to present himself as some superior footballing intellect, only to come across as the bloke who sits next to you on a plane and tells you about how he won the Champions League with Bolton on Football Manager.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 8, 2021 12:46:16 GMT
Potentially some parallels to be drawn with Stoke there. Certainly in terms of a perceived unaccountability of very senior members of staff.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 12:49:11 GMT
Quite a good read. For those that can’t do the whole thing I nipped this out: From where?
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Post by Goonie on Jun 8, 2021 12:55:25 GMT
Although business wise he fucked us over a few times
(To be fair it was our shite decision making: Palacios, Wimmer)
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