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May 12, 2021 13:09:51 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on May 12, 2021 13:09:51 GMT
Look at you downplaying rocket attacks whereas the truth is somewhat different, mortars launched at ambulance crews responding to missile attacks 1000+ rockets fired at it and israel is being aggressive and you want to talk about bad faith. I'm not downplaying anything, I'm saying your are concentrating on one side without mentioning the atrocities of the other. You still haven't commented on the forced evictions of Palestinians from their homes often into occupied territories which in itself is the definition of a ware crime according to the UN...... Hamas arent one side they are murdering terrorist cunts saying they represent Palestinians is like claiming isis represent ordinary muslims. My first post on this thread mentions there will never be peace because of cunts like hamas and some cunts in the israeli administration, however if you asking me whose side I am on when hamas fire rockets at women and children and israeli forces fire rockets at the people firing rockets at them it ain't your mates friends from hamas who lets never forget their sole aim is the eradication of the jewish state. The sheihk jarrar evictions arent quite as its been told either, the truth as always is somewhere in between.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 12, 2021 13:17:14 GMT
I'm not downplaying anything, I'm saying your are concentrating on one side without mentioning the atrocities of the other. You still haven't commented on the forced evictions of Palestinians from their homes often into occupied territories which in itself is the definition of a ware crime according to the UN...... Hamas arent one side they are murdering terrorist cunts saying they represent Palestinians is like claiming isis represent ordinary muslims. My first post on this thread mentions there will never be peace because of cunts like hamas and some cunts in the israeli administration, however if you asking me whose side I am on when hamas fire rockets at women and children and israeli forces fire rockets at the people firing rockets at them it ain't your mates friends from hamas who lets never forget their sole aim is the eradication of the jewish state. The sheihk jarrar evictions arent quite as its been told either, the truth as always is somewhere in between. It often is, but you won't be getting the truth from the Israel Advocacy Movement or that particular individual. I've personally witnessed him bully, harass and abuse peaceful Jewish protestors in Manchester city centre for the crime of being anti-Zionist and wanting peace in the region.........
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Post by partickpotter on May 12, 2021 13:46:23 GMT
Do you think this adequately explains what is going on in Israel? It’s a pretty good critique of Israel’s reprehensible conduct. But it is pitiful in absolving Hamas of its responsibilities for what is going on.
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Israel
May 12, 2021 14:12:40 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on May 12, 2021 14:12:40 GMT
Do you think this adequately explains what is going on in Israel? It’s a pretty good critique of Israel’s reprehensible conduct. But it is pitiful in absolving Hamas of its responsibilities for what is going on. Of course not it's his take on it, and a fairly accurate one in my opinion. He should have gone further in condemning the launching of missiles absolutely, that's how hardened both sides have become I guess. It's not Hamas being forcibly removed from their properties, land and businesses though it's ordinary Palestinian people. If British troops had systematically removed ordinary Catholic families from their homes during the Irish troubles, handed them to Protestants leaving them to live in squalor in some Belfast ghetto I'd hope that people would have condemned it and not said "but but what about Sinn Fein and the IRA"
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Post by felonious on May 12, 2021 14:25:03 GMT
“Crude rockets” is the new “0.03% of Labour members” Here he is. Won't be long before the accusations of antisemitism start getting banded about...... Let's hope the debate steers clear of that. The actions of the Israeli government should be open to scrutiny.
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Post by followyoudown on May 12, 2021 14:40:20 GMT
Hamas arent one side they are murdering terrorist cunts saying they represent Palestinians is like claiming isis represent ordinary muslims. My first post on this thread mentions there will never be peace because of cunts like hamas and some cunts in the israeli administration, however if you asking me whose side I am on when hamas fire rockets at women and children and israeli forces fire rockets at the people firing rockets at them it ain't your mates friends from hamas who lets never forget their sole aim is the eradication of the jewish state. The sheihk jarrar evictions arent quite as its been told either, the truth as always is somewhere in between. It often is, but you won't be getting the truth from the Israel Advocacy Movement or that particular individual. I've personally witnessed him bully, harass and abuse peaceful Jewish protestors in Manchester city centre for the crime of being anti-Zionist and wanting peace in the region......... Even if I take your claim at face value I am not sure how those actions identify him as a liar, holding opinions you disagree with does not discredit the points raised in the video, you post without comment a clip from the palestinian ambassador and talk about hamas being the other side to israel, I kind of get the opinion you arent the honest broker in this you try and pretend to be.
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Post by PotterLog on May 12, 2021 14:46:28 GMT
The evictions in the occupied territories are unacceptable but they often just use crude bulldozers made of tin foil and honey
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 12, 2021 14:49:48 GMT
Here he is. Won't be long before the accusations of antisemitism start getting banded about...... Let's hope the debate steers clear of that. The actions of the Israeli government should be open to scrutiny. 100% agree fella. His "0.03%" comment was a dig at me as he well knows.......
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May 12, 2021 14:57:36 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on May 12, 2021 14:57:36 GMT
It often is, but you won't be getting the truth from the Israel Advocacy Movement or that particular individual. I've personally witnessed him bully, harass and abuse peaceful Jewish protestors in Manchester city centre for the crime of being anti-Zionist and wanting peace in the region......... Even if I take your claim at face value I am not sure how those actions identify him as a liar, holding opinions you disagree with does not discredit the points raised in the video, you post without comment a clip from the palestinian ambassador and talk about hamas being the other side to israel, I kind of get the opinion you arent the honest broker in this you try and pretend to be. I have my opinions on the conflict and my feeling is that the Palestinians in the main are the oppressed and the Israelis are the oppressors so if that makes me a "dishonest broker" then so be it. I merely comment on what I see and read. And you can of course take my claim however you like, but people like that gentleman (whose name escapes me) Jonathon Hoffman and David Collier are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They are very the very definition of "dishonest brokers"...............
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Post by ColonelMustard on May 12, 2021 14:57:56 GMT
I wonder how many people would change sides if the demographics were switched. Overseas Arabs turfing out Jews from their homes in Jerusalem. If it were Arabs making Jews show Id to travel around, it was Arabs demolishing Jews ancestral homes, burning their olive trees and stealing their land while offering passport to any arabs around the world. The stated aim of the arab state to take as much of the land but as few of the jews as possible. If Gaza was full of Jewish people, half refugees from surrounding land taken over by Arabs. And it was the Arabs who occasionally "mowed the lawn" with advanced weaponry when the Jews fired some rockets out. If it were Arabs ethnically cleansing Jews from an area they had been the majority. I know I'd be advocating for the human rights of the Jewish people.
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May 12, 2021 15:00:29 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 12, 2021 15:00:29 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on May 12, 2021 15:02:38 GMT
I'm not downplaying anything, I'm saying your are concentrating on one side without mentioning the atrocities of the other. You still haven't commented on the forced evictions of Palestinians from their homes often into occupied territories which in itself is the definition of a ware crime according to the UN...... Hamas arent one side they are murdering terrorist cunts saying they represent Palestinians is like claiming isis represent ordinary muslims. My first post on this thread mentions there will never be peace because of cunts like hamas and some cunts in the israeli administration, however if you asking me whose side I am on when hamas fire rockets at women and children and israeli forces fire rockets at the people firing rockets at them it ain't your mates friends from hamas who lets never forget their sole aim is the eradication of the jewish state. The sheihk jarrar evictions arent quite as its been told either, the truth as always is somewhere in between. I don’t buy this guy’s argument over the Israeli rights to the land at Sheihk Jarrar. Mainly because it’s not being applied consistently by Israel. If it was, Israel would be giving up huge amounts of land to the Palestinians that they have taken over all over Israel. Seems to me this is a case of highly selective and massively prejudiced courts acting in the interest of the Jewish community in Israel with, sadly, a familiar disregard for the Palestinians who live in Israel.
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Post by ColonelMustard on May 12, 2021 15:47:38 GMT
Hamas arent one side they are murdering terrorist cunts saying they represent Palestinians is like claiming isis represent ordinary muslims. My first post on this thread mentions there will never be peace because of cunts like hamas and some cunts in the israeli administration, however if you asking me whose side I am on when hamas fire rockets at women and children and israeli forces fire rockets at the people firing rockets at them it ain't your mates friends from hamas who lets never forget their sole aim is the eradication of the jewish state. The sheihk jarrar evictions arent quite as its been told either, the truth as always is somewhere in between. I don’t buy this guy’s argument over the Israeli rights to the land at Sheihk Jarrar. Mainly because it’s not being applied consistently by Israel. If it was, Israel would be giving up huge amounts of land to the Palestinians that they have taken over all over Israel. Seems to me this is a case of highly selective and massively prejudiced courts acting in the interest of the Jewish community in Israel with, sadly, a familiar disregard for the Palestinians who live in Israel. You're not kidding. Land rights going back 73 years? Lol. Thered be a thousands of Palestinians dusting off their keys. You just have to look into the tenuous status of Jerusalem Palestinian residents to get the picture of how it all works. Stay too many nights away (or any can be an excuse) and your Israeli provided residents ID can be taken away. And you wont get it back. If you are Palestinian in Jerusalem. If you are a Jewish in Brooklyn, its happy days. Move in. Its ethnic cleansing with plausible denial.
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Israel
May 12, 2021 16:04:08 GMT
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Post by vokeswagen on May 12, 2021 16:04:08 GMT
It often is, but you won't be getting the truth from the Israel Advocacy Movement or that particular individual. I've personally witnessed him bully, harass and abuse peaceful Jewish protestors in Manchester city centre for the crime of being anti-Zionist and wanting peace in the region......... Even if I take your claim at face value I am not sure how those actions identify him as a liar, holding opinions you disagree with does not discredit the points raised in the video, you post without comment a clip from the palestinian ambassador and talk about hamas being the other side to israel, I kind of get the opinion you arent the honest broker in this you try and pretend to be. Genuinely interested: have you ever on the Oatcake responded to a video of someone you consider “a liar, holding opinions you disagree with” by using anything other than ridicule and dreary attempts at sarcasm? My money is on “ have you fuck, you punctuationless hypocrite”, but I do hope to be pleasantly surprised
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May 12, 2021 19:25:02 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 12, 2021 19:25:02 GMT
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May 12, 2021 19:35:24 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on May 12, 2021 19:35:24 GMT
Hamas arent one side they are murdering terrorist cunts saying they represent Palestinians is like claiming isis represent ordinary muslims. My first post on this thread mentions there will never be peace because of cunts like hamas and some cunts in the israeli administration, however if you asking me whose side I am on when hamas fire rockets at women and children and israeli forces fire rockets at the people firing rockets at them it ain't your mates friends from hamas who lets never forget their sole aim is the eradication of the jewish state. The sheihk jarrar evictions arent quite as its been told either, the truth as always is somewhere in between. I don’t buy this guy’s argument over the Israeli rights to the land at Sheihk Jarrar. Mainly because it’s not being applied consistently by Israel. If it was, Israel would be giving up huge amounts of land to the Palestinians that they have taken over all over Israel. Seems to me this is a case of highly selective and massively prejudiced courts acting in the interest of the Jewish community in Israel with, sadly, a familiar disregard for the Palestinians who live in Israel. As I said the truth is often somewhere in between, on the courts I would say the original settlement offered was to allow people to stay there if they paid rent and only after 50 years of non payment starting to consider eviction doesnt seem massively prejudicial, the actions of other israeli settlers taking land from palestinians does not invalidate the rights or wrongs of this case.
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Post by followyoudown on May 12, 2021 19:38:57 GMT
Even if I take your claim at face value I am not sure how those actions identify him as a liar, holding opinions you disagree with does not discredit the points raised in the video, you post without comment a clip from the palestinian ambassador and talk about hamas being the other side to israel, I kind of get the opinion you arent the honest broker in this you try and pretend to be. I have my opinions on the conflict and my feeling is that the Palestinians in the main are the oppressed and the Israelis are the oppressors so if that makes me a "dishonest broker" then so be it. I merely comment on what I see and read. And you can of course take my claim however you like, but people like that gentleman (whose name escapes me) Jonathon Hoffman and David Collier are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They are very the very definition of "dishonest brokers"............... And you dont think hamas are responsible for some of this oppression, a few thousand nut jobs funded by iran dont have detrimental impact on their lives.....
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Post by Cns on May 12, 2021 19:46:35 GMT
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Post by cerebralstokie on May 12, 2021 19:54:47 GMT
The roots of the problem lie in the Balfour Declaration of 1917. "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people....." The area was part of the Ottoman Empire at the time. Many twist and turns since, but they have led to the present situation. When I was being dialysed in 2018, one of the nurses was a Palestinian who said he still had in his possession, the deeds to the house his father had owned and which he was evicted from when the state of Israel was formed. It worries me that Jewish extremists justify the creation of settlements on Palestinian land is that they use the expression "God gave us this land" to justify their cause. As for Hamas, when will they learn that there is only one winner in a war between them and the Israelis. Trump did not help with his Partisan approach to the problems of the region. Of course Israel has the right to exist within secure borders but some of their actions suggest to me that they are not going about it in a sensible way.
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May 12, 2021 21:56:32 GMT
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Post by vokeswagen on May 12, 2021 21:56:32 GMT
The roots of the problem lie in the Balfour Declaration of 1917. "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people....." The area was part of the Ottoman Empire at the time. Many twist and turns since, but they have led to the present situation. When I was being dialysed in 2018, one of the nurses was a Palestinian who said he still had in his possession, the deeds to the house his father had owned and which he was evicted from when the state of Israel was formed. It worries me that Jewish extremists justify the creation of settlements on Palestinian land is that they use the expression "God gave us this land" to justify their cause. As for Hamas, when will they learn that there is only one winner in a war between them and the Israelis. Trump did not help with his Partisan approach to the problems of the region. Of course Israel has the right to exist within secure borders but some of their actions suggest to me that they are not going about it in a sensible way. A very sensible post.
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May 12, 2021 21:58:22 GMT
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Post by vokeswagen on May 12, 2021 21:58:22 GMT
I don’t buy this guy’s argument over the Israeli rights to the land at Sheihk Jarrar. Mainly because it’s not being applied consistently by Israel. If it was, Israel would be giving up huge amounts of land to the Palestinians that they have taken over all over Israel. Seems to me this is a case of highly selective and massively prejudiced courts acting in the interest of the Jewish community in Israel with, sadly, a familiar disregard for the Palestinians who live in Israel. As I said the truth is often somewhere in between, on the courts I would say the original settlement offered was to allow people to stay there if they paid rent and only after 50 years of non payment starting to consider eviction doesnt seem massively prejudicial, the actions of other israeli settlers taking land from palestinians does not invalidate the rights or wrongs of this case. A line which you’re just regurgitating from some guy you happen to agree with on Twitter. Thanks for the transcription service fella
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 12, 2021 22:49:50 GMT
It's fascinating watching the media and others trying to take sides. It's so painfully obvious that both sides have some nasty individuals. Hamas are vile terrorists and the Israeli leadership is frankly oppressive.
In between all that there are some great people caught in the crossfire in this sacred, spiritual, spectacular region.
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Post by partickpotter on May 13, 2021 6:21:17 GMT
It's fascinating watching the media and others trying to take sides. It's so painfully obvious that both sides have some nasty individuals. Hamas are vile terrorists and the Israeli leadership is frankly oppressive. In between all that there are some great people caught in the crossfire in this sacred, spiritual, spectacular region. I agree about Hamas - who have a complete disregard for their own people. They are happy to martyr their own women and children in pursuit of their cause. But... Israel’s conduct in relation to the Palestinian people is appalling. It goes way beyond being oppressive. Aside from the continual land grabs, their use of disproportionate force should see them hauled up to the dock in The Hague. I see there is already a 10x ratio of deaths in the current violence. Recent history would suggest that will get much bigger. In 2014, the last big conflict, Israel suffered 6 civilian deaths. 1,463 Palestinian civilians were killed. In 2008, the one before that, 3 Israel civilians died compared to 926 Palestinian civilians. FFS.
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May 13, 2021 10:11:54 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 13, 2021 10:11:54 GMT
Nailed it
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May 13, 2021 16:53:25 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on May 13, 2021 16:53:25 GMT
Can’t let terrorists win
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May 13, 2021 18:58:59 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on May 13, 2021 18:58:59 GMT
Looking increasingly likely that Israel will send in ground troops to an area smaller than the Isle of Man with just over 2 million inhabitants.
This will not end well for ordinary Palestinians.......
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May 13, 2021 19:17:22 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on May 13, 2021 19:17:22 GMT
Correct You also shouldn’t Allow a government to treat ordinary people as sub human just because you don’t like there religion or ethnicity Or you just want to steal there land
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May 13, 2021 19:23:32 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on May 13, 2021 19:23:32 GMT
Correct You also shouldn’t Allow a government to treat ordinary people as sub human just because you don’t like there religion or ethnicity Or you just want to steal there land
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Post by foster on May 13, 2021 20:18:54 GMT
Israel will eventually annex the Gaza strip and move those Palestinians into the west bank.
Effectively ends Hamas and makes sense from an Israeli perspective.
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May 13, 2021 20:26:55 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on May 13, 2021 20:26:55 GMT
Israel will eventually annex the Gaza strip and move those Palestinians into the west bank. Effectively ends Hamas and makes sense from an Israeli perspective. More land theft And add a couple more million into the ghetto And what makes it worse the British and Americans are letting them do it Like a organ grinders monkey dancing to the Zionists tune
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