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Post by Malcolm Clarke on May 3, 2021 18:59:18 GMT
If anyone is interested I did an interview on Radio 5 live this morning ( about 2 hrs 6 mins 30 in on the below link) www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000vq8tI've also just done a live on Sky Sports News ( wearing my 1972 Stoke shirt for Gods benefit ) and a pre-record for Sky News which will be on sometime after 5. Very, very nice piece. Particularly liked the listed building analogy. Thanks. That analogy does seem to work for people, as an antidote to the " it's their business, they can do what they like" line
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Post by J-Roar on May 3, 2021 19:11:02 GMT
I think it is an excellent post. But I'm not convinced all fans are happy with their team paying these wages, even if it might be a minority. I think some football fans do have an ethical, or moral code over which they wont step relating to things like wages. FC United demonstrated this (though not explicitly wage related), and I meet many fans at non-league games who used go to support Big 6 teams, they still support those teams but have lost the love and don't go anymore, & because it costs too much sometimes. (though these things are all related) I agree players and agents have been absolutely part of the problem, though it's a problem that includes quite a few culprits who have taken us down this road, including TV companies and on a lesser, though still significant level, their subscribers. I think these protests are not going to remedy all the ills, no way, but there is a point when some folk feel they have had enough and need to let off steam. It least it makes people think about where the game (which in many ways reflects society) is going. Agreed. In the last FSA survey, 70% of fans supported a salary cap Did the other 30% support the big 6?
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Post by JoeinOz on May 3, 2021 22:10:54 GMT
The actions of a minority seems to have distracted attention from the pressing concerns related to all this. Don't allow talk of brutality (from anyone involved) to divert attention away from the butchery Glazers and their ilk are prepared to inflict on us for the sake of their own financial gain. And anyone who believes this is just a matter for the shit should think again. Football is about comradeship and community. There are outsiders willing to charge in and destroy the things we hold dear. I honestly don't think they were protesting about the ESL or about the rest of football. There's been a 16 year campaign against the owners and this was more about highlighting their grouse with them than camaraderie and community. I know yes. But in this case, their struggle is our struggle
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 22:32:33 GMT
I would make them play their next match behind closed doors. Move the club to Texas. Go Texas Devils
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Post by StatesideStokie on May 4, 2021 2:39:01 GMT
Is somebody was laying into me with a baton, I can tell you 100% that it would be an acceptable reaction. If someone was laying into you with a baton You wouldn’t have time to bend down and pick up a broken bottle Also it would be rather silly to expose the back of your head I would suggest the person concerned was probably holding the bottle all a long Suggest whatever you like mate. If it makes you feel better to place blame without facts, have at it. You asked if it would be acceptable to bottle somebody if they were beating the shit out if you with a baton. I have you an honest answer.
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Post by metalhead on May 4, 2021 6:41:19 GMT
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Post by werrington on May 4, 2021 6:51:30 GMT
They were hit with 30%+ prices rises in 2010 putting top price tickets up towards the £1,000 mark. They've gone from debt free to being saddled with a £455m debt which is rising again. Many fans feel completely disengaged from the club, threatening letters about moving seats, being forced to buy cup tickets, just a cash cow to be milked rather than a supporter. Why do you think a Man Utd fan from Eccles or Wythenshaw feels any different than fans of Stoke, Macclesfield, Bury or whoever? You don't get an additional line on your monthly pay slip saying "successful club subsidy" just for info...... Wasn't it worse than that. I was told to get a season ticket their fans had to commit to buying cup tickets, both domestic and European. That is 100% correct, people had netting put over their seats to stop them attending again if they didn’t and were ejected by stewards
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 4, 2021 7:42:49 GMT
It doesn’t look good however i’d like to see the police account before making judgement. I remember an incident a few years back where the footage looked equally damning and it was idenified that the “victim” had her teeth clamped around the officers leg in a vice like way and they were punching the females arm so she’d release her grip. I guess time will tell I have no doubt there’ll be an investigation of the officers.
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Post by felonious on May 4, 2021 8:09:04 GMT
Wasn't it worse than that. I was told to get a season ticket their fans had to commit to buying cup tickets, both domestic and European. That is 100% correct, people had netting out over their seats to stop them attending again if they didn’t and were ejected by stewards That's a disgrace. The reason I knew that the cup ticket policy was in place is that a couple of my lad's teammate's parents were season ticket holders and to make the thing affordable there were always tickets available for matches there particularly the cup matches. I remember one parent flogging Man Utd v Arsenal tickets at the height of their rivalry which shows the pressure on the cost of funding those season tickets.
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Post by noustie on May 4, 2021 9:29:05 GMT
The coverage on Sky Sports News has been more akin to WWE Smackdown with how it’s been reporting this and has verged on the absolute desperate for ratings. Wouldn’t have been surprised if one of the Glazer’s had hijacked the big tele on MNF to go on a huge rant, whilst stroking a tiger cub, to announce Jaap Stam as their spokesperson who then ran in from stage right wearing nothing but florescent trunks and furry boots before suplexing the G Nev Unit through the balsawood desk then clothes lining Carragher.
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Post by metalhead on May 4, 2021 11:39:08 GMT
It doesn’t look good however i’d like to see the police account before making judgement. I remember an incident a few years back where the footage looked equally damning and it was idenified that the “victim” had her teeth clamped around the officers leg in a vice like way and they were punching the females arm so she’d release her grip. I guess time will tell I have no doubt there’ll be an investigation of the officers. Definitely doesn't appear to be any of that going on. You see the fella dragged across the floor. Seems to me a vindictive police officer had probably just been embarrassed or had his pride hurt a little bit and this was his option to crack someone a bit. Give a bit back. Investigation....? pfft. No chance. He'll be given a quiet chat about hitting them harder next time.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 11:49:29 GMT
Apparently they are complaining the owners are only interested in money
Makes you wonder what Christmas is going to be like , if they find out Santa is really their dad
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 4, 2021 11:53:27 GMT
It doesn’t look good however i’d like to see the police account before making judgement. I remember an incident a few years back where the footage looked equally damning and it was idenified that the “victim” had her teeth clamped around the officers leg in a vice like way and they were punching the females arm so she’d release her grip. I guess time will tell I have no doubt there’ll be an investigation of the officers. Definitely doesn't appear to be any of that going on. You see the fella dragged across the floor. Seems to me a vindictive police officer had probably just been embarrassed or had his pride hurt a little bit and this was his option to crack someone a bit. Give a bit back. Investigation....? pfft. No chance. He'll be given a quiet chat about hitting them harder next time. As you said in respect to the officer that had his face slashed let’s not judge till we see/hear all the evidence from both sides. As you know from all the links that you’ve put on in the past re police corruption clearly officers are investigated. Just because an officer isn’t charged or sacked it doesn’t mean he’s not been investigated / suspended It’s just that in some cases there’s more to what’s happened than in a phone video and that there may be mitigating circumstances in relation to the officers actions. The result of the investigation may not always be discosable because the complainant cannot always be named publicly as it could affect their future eg people judging their character. If from the video it’s identified as excessive of course he deserves investigating and charging if he’s found accountable.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on May 4, 2021 19:53:39 GMT
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Post by 1982stokie on May 4, 2021 20:08:17 GMT
The coverage on Sky Sports News has been more akin to WWE Smackdown with how it’s been reporting this and has verged on the absolute desperate for ratings. Wouldn’t have been surprised if one of the Glazer’s had hijacked the big tele on MNF to go on a huge rant, whilst stroking a tiger cub, to announce Jaap Stam as their spokesperson who then ran in from stage right wearing nothing but florescent trunks and furry boots before suplexing the G Nev Unit through the balsawood desk then clothes lining Carragher. It’s wrong how vividly I can see that in my head with Jim Ross shouting my god he just broke G Nev in half😂
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Post by skip on May 4, 2021 20:13:46 GMT
Malcolm! <clap clap clap> Malcolm! <clap clap clap> MALCOLM! <clap clap clap>
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Post by Goonie on May 4, 2021 20:17:47 GMT
I would make them play their next match behind closed doors. Move the club to Texas. Go Texas Devils Manchester By the Sea
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Post by Squeekster on May 4, 2021 20:27:26 GMT
Definitely doesn't appear to be any of that going on. You see the fella dragged across the floor. Seems to me a vindictive police officer had probably just been embarrassed or had his pride hurt a little bit and this was his option to crack someone a bit. Give a bit back. Investigation....? pfft. No chance. He'll be given a quiet chat about hitting them harder next time. As you said in respect to the officer that had his face slashed let’s not judge till we see/hear all the evidence from both sides. As you know from all the links that you’ve put on in the past re police corruption clearly officers are investigated. Just because an officer isn’t charged or sacked it doesn’t mean he’s not been investigated / suspended It’s just that in some cases there’s more to what’s happened than in a phone video and that there may be mitigating circumstances in relation to the officers actions. The result of the investigation may not always be discosable because the complainant cannot always be named publicly as it could affect their future eg people judging their character. If from the video it’s identified as excessive of course he deserves investigating and charging if he’s found accountable. Rubbish, where was the investigation when we were falsely imprisoned, frog marched across London, 100's forced to miss trains because the police simply wouldn't let them leave the pound they had us in? The simple fact here is football fans, it's a completely different rule book for us!
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 4, 2021 21:37:25 GMT
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Post by metalhead on May 4, 2021 21:45:23 GMT
Like I said, this is the police's opportunity to act their revenge and settle some score. Expect more arrests on fairly sketchy charges.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 4, 2021 21:55:13 GMT
So it's guaranteed that the two CL finalists will be Super League teams.
What a statement it would be to throw them out of the tournament now. This is an opportunity that can't afford to be lost.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 4, 2021 22:05:21 GMT
That is 100% correct, people had netting out over their seats to stop them attending again if they didn’t and were ejected by stewards That's a disgrace. The reason I knew that the cup ticket policy was in place is that a couple of my lad's teammate's parents were season ticket holders and to make the thing affordable there were always tickets available for matches there particularly the cup matches. I remember one parent flogging Man Utd v Arsenal tickets at the height of their rivalry which shows the pressure on the cost of funding those season tickets. Nobody forced them to buy the season ticket it’s a free market economy for both parties , and the tens were clear , may be they were fed up of people buying and reselling tickets at a profit .
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 5, 2021 6:57:13 GMT
That's a disgrace. The reason I knew that the cup ticket policy was in place is that a couple of my lad's teammate's parents were season ticket holders and to make the thing affordable there were always tickets available for matches there particularly the cup matches. I remember one parent flogging Man Utd v Arsenal tickets at the height of their rivalry which shows the pressure on the cost of funding those season tickets. Nobody forced them to buy the season ticket it’s a free market economy for both parties , and the tens were clear , may be they were fed up of people buying and reselling tickets at a profit . Ah the free market economy, the cornerstone of the working mans game. Don’t be so ridiculous your blind hatred of all things Man Utd is clouding your judgement on this one and you know it......
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Post by felonious on May 5, 2021 7:24:15 GMT
That's a disgrace. The reason I knew that the cup ticket policy was in place is that a couple of my lad's teammate's parents were season ticket holders and to make the thing affordable there were always tickets available for matches there particularly the cup matches. I remember one parent flogging Man Utd v Arsenal tickets at the height of their rivalry which shows the pressure on the cost of funding those season tickets. Nobody forced them to buy the season ticket it’s a free market economy for both parties , and the tens were clear , may be they were fed up of people buying and reselling tickets at a profit . Try to work it out if it's at all possible. You've supported Stoke all your life. New owners come in and bump up the season ticket prices by 30% and to get a season ticket you need to commit to buying to buying cup tickets and let's just fantasise for a moment that Stoke are so successful that they're getting to the latter stages of both domestic cups and a European Cup. You can't afford that package do you (1) buy the ticket and work out any which way to fund it whilst protesting against the insidious owners over the intervening years, (2) Go and set up your alternative club and support them through thick and thin or (3) think to yourself well nobody is forcing me to buy these tickets I'll give up? Their fans have been shafted. Worse than this if that's at all possible their owners have just tried to shaft the fans of every other club in the country.
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Post by wagsastokie on May 5, 2021 8:05:49 GMT
Nobody forced them to buy the season ticket it’s a free market economy for both parties , and the tens were clear , may be they were fed up of people buying and reselling tickets at a profit . Try to work it out if it's at all possible. You've supported Stoke all your life. New owners come in and bump up the season ticket prices by 30% and to get a season ticket you need to commit to buying to buying cup tickets and let's just fantasise for a moment that Stoke are so successful that they're getting to the latter stages of both domestic cups and a European Cup. You can't afford that package do you (1) buy the ticket and work out any which way to fund it whilst protesting against the insidious owners over the intervening years, (2) Go and set up your alternative club and support them through thick and thin or (3) think to yourself well nobody is forcing me to buy these tickets I'll give up? Their fans have been shafted. Worse than this if that's at all possible their owners have just tried to shaft the fans of every other club in the country. But most of these shafted fans were happy enough to hang on the shirt tails of corporate Utd whilst they were picking up a few trophies
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Post by felonious on May 5, 2021 8:23:38 GMT
Try to work it out if it's at all possible. You've supported Stoke all your life. New owners come in and bump up the season ticket prices by 30% and to get a season ticket you need to commit to buying to buying cup tickets and let's just fantasise for a moment that Stoke are so successful that they're getting to the latter stages of both domestic cups and a European Cup. You can't afford that package do you (1) buy the ticket and work out any which way to fund it whilst protesting against the insidious owners over the intervening years, (2) Go and set up your alternative club and support them through thick and thin or (3) think to yourself well nobody is forcing me to buy these tickets I'll give up? Their fans have been shafted. Worse than this if that's at all possible their owners have just tried to shaft the fans of every other club in the country. But most of these shafted fans were happy enough to hang on the shirt tails of corporate Utd whilst they were picking up a few trophies ..... and for many, many years before when they were winning trophies Wag.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 5, 2021 8:40:36 GMT
If the issue was just trophies, the timing is strange isn't it? They've had far more barren seasons than this and they've all but confirmed their place in a European final.
The hatred of the Glazers has always been there I think, but the ESL stuff has brought it to the surface.
Surprised there's so much boot-licking of owners here, surely football supporters recognising they have some power and a say is A Good Thing?
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Post by spitthedog on May 5, 2021 8:45:27 GMT
Try to work it out if it's at all possible. You've supported Stoke all your life. New owners come in and bump up the season ticket prices by 30% and to get a season ticket you need to commit to buying to buying cup tickets and let's just fantasise for a moment that Stoke are so successful that they're getting to the latter stages of both domestic cups and a European Cup. You can't afford that package do you (1) buy the ticket and work out any which way to fund it whilst protesting against the insidious owners over the intervening years, (2) Go and set up your alternative club and support them through thick and thin or (3) think to yourself well nobody is forcing me to buy these tickets I'll give up? Their fans have been shafted. Worse than this if that's at all possible their owners have just tried to shaft the fans of every other club in the country. But most of these shafted fans were happy enough to hang on the shirt tails of corporate Utd whilst they were picking up a few trophies Football fans have a tendency to still want to support their team whatever is going on with the running of their clubs, whether successful or not, and why shouldn't they? Have you not ever experienced that? I know I have. Fans mostly feel the club belongs to them, rather than its' owners. Isn't that how we feel about Stoke? It's not an easy, or straightforward thing to turn your back on your club. Anyway, how many fans have turned their back? A few thousand with the FC United project for starters and maybe many more, that's a difficult one to quantify.
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Post by noustie on May 5, 2021 8:46:25 GMT
The coverage on Sky Sports News has been more akin to WWE Smackdown with how it’s been reporting this and has verged on the absolute desperate for ratings. Wouldn’t have been surprised if one of the Glazer’s had hijacked the big tele on MNF to go on a huge rant, whilst stroking a tiger cub, to announce Jaap Stam as their spokesperson who then ran in from stage right wearing nothing but florescent trunks and furry boots before suplexing the G Nev Unit through the balsawood desk then clothes lining Carragher. It’s wrong how vividly I can see that in my head with Jim Ross shouting my god he just broke G Nev in half😂 I'm picturing Jim White popping his head around the corner 'Top man Jaap - can I be your friend? I'll text you on deadline day - top man!'
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 6, 2021 2:34:52 GMT
My mates a Chelsea fan and was dead against the breakaway league.
It’s fair to say that after yesterday normal service has been resumed.
When I asked him after the game if the fans have now forgiven Abramavic his reply was “that’s a bit deep isn’t it” i’m sure he’s typical of most fans till they try something similar again. Whilst he’s spending money on the team nothing will change for the majority of fans. Winning is far more important than what’s morally right.
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