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Post by Cns on May 3, 2021 13:57:59 GMT
Bingo
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scfc64
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Post by scfc64 on May 3, 2021 13:58:22 GMT
I would make them play their next match behind closed doors.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 3, 2021 13:59:30 GMT
Absolutely. The media overreaction to this complete non story is incredibly boring. Get on with playing the game you silly, pedantic prats.
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Post by samba :) on May 3, 2021 14:02:01 GMT
I would make them play their next match behind closed doors. proper dad joke, bet millions have said that in the last 24 hours
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 3, 2021 14:08:47 GMT
Folk still going on about the European Super League and stopping it from ever happening again? It’s starting in 2024/25 and it’ll be called the UEFA Champions League.
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Post by spitthedog on May 3, 2021 14:11:33 GMT
If anyone is interested I did an interview on Radio 5 live this morning ( about 2 hrs 6 mins 30 in on the below link) www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000vq8tI've also just done a live on Sky Sports News ( wearing my 1972 Stoke shirt for Gods benefit ) and a pre-record for Sky News which will be on sometime after 5. Nice one Malcolm. Came over really well, very articulate and focussed. I like how you were determined to bring the main issues to the fore of the conversation despite some randomness in the questioning. I get really annoyed when reporters try to throw all related issues into an interview, or even a question, at once. This in many ways only contributes to blur the whole discussion (just my thing!) I guess its a time thing with radio and media, but doesn't help in achieving a bit of clarity and focus imo
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Post by J-Roar on May 3, 2021 14:21:50 GMT
Well when there's teenage kids getting whacked over and over again for merely standing there when they actually can't physically move, I would say that's unreasonable. Your 'level of knowledge' point is laughable. You don't need any training to see it was unnecessary by the police. There is footage of this for everyone to see. I've seen it myself to have come to this opinion. Teens merely standing there? They were told to disperse several times and refused, then they were pelting regular uniformed police with missiles. One was slashed across the eye. You might think my argument is laughable but I’d say being a clueless YouTube hero thinking you know what you’re talking about with zero knowledge even funnier. I’d like to know how you’d react in that situation but luckily for you you should be quite safe behind that keyboard 😉 Easy to criticise I guess. There's that word 'slashed' again. Soon takes root.
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Post by J-Roar on May 3, 2021 14:25:12 GMT
The actions of a minority seems to have distracted attention from the pressing concerns related to all this. Don't allow talk of brutality (from anyone involved) to divert attention away from the butchery Glazers and their ilk are prepared to inflict on us for the sake of their own financial gain. And anyone who believes this is just a matter for the shit should think again. Football is about comradeship and community. There are outsiders willing to charge in and destroy the things we hold dear. I honestly don't think they were protesting about the ESL or about the rest of football. There's been a 16 year campaign against the owners and this was more about highlighting their grouse with them than camaraderie and community.
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Post by a on May 3, 2021 14:29:44 GMT
I would make them play their next match behind closed doors. proper dad joke, bet millions have said that in the last 24 hours Guilty! 😂
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Post by spitthedog on May 3, 2021 14:31:29 GMT
The actions of a minority seems to have distracted attention from the pressing concerns related to all this. Don't allow talk of brutality (from anyone involved) to divert attention away from the butchery Glazers and their ilk are prepared to inflict on us for the sake of their own financial gain. And anyone who believes this is just a matter for the shit should think again. Football is about comradeship and community. There are outsiders willing to charge in and destroy the things we hold dear. I honestly don't think they were protesting about the ESL or about the rest of football. There's been a 16 year campaign against the owners and this was more about highlighting their grouse with them than camaraderie and community. Yes, Most protestors were targeting the Glazers specifically rather than the ESL. The ESL issue just relit the touch paper. Like you say, this has been running in Manchester since 2005.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on May 3, 2021 14:40:48 GMT
If anyone is interested I did an interview on Radio 5 live this morning ( about 2 hrs 6 mins 30 in on the below link) www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000vq8tI've also just done a live on Sky Sports News ( wearing my 1972 Stoke shirt for Gods benefit ) and a pre-record for Sky News which will be on sometime after 5. saw it Malcolm you came accross very well. Thank you. I like live interviews because you have control over what's going out and are not at the mercy of the editor, but the risk is that if you cock up you can't ask for a 2nd bite of the cherry. I don't think I scored any own goals on this occasion
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on May 3, 2021 14:50:48 GMT
If anyone is interested I did an interview on Radio 5 live this morning ( about 2 hrs 6 mins 30 in on the below link) www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000vq8tI've also just done a live on Sky Sports News ( wearing my 1972 Stoke shirt for Gods benefit ) and a pre-record for Sky News which will be on sometime after 5. Nice one Malcolm. Came over really well, very articulate and focussed. I like how you were determined to bring the main issues to the fore of the conversation despite some randomness in the questioning. I get really annoyed when reporters try to throw all related issues into an interview, or even a question, at once. This in many ways only contributes to blur the whole discussion (just my thing!) I guess its a time thing with radio and media, but doesn't help in achieving a bit of clarity and focus imo I think you are absolutely right. Of course some of them are better than others, and some understand the topic better than others. Some genuinely want to give you a chance to say what you want. Others just try to be clever.
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Post by march4 on May 3, 2021 14:55:59 GMT
Interesting they used the word 'slashed' to describe the injury to the police man. It's a very emotive word and it's been picked up by the media and public alike. He could have been hit by a bottle for all we know but that doesn't sound as shocking. Also saying he required emergency treatment also sounds worse than going to casualty for 2 stitches - it conjures up images of being critically injured. As soon as some idiots decided to damage Sky equipment and throw a flare at the commentators the whole protest was never going to get a positive press.
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Post by spitthedog on May 3, 2021 15:04:31 GMT
Nice one Malcolm. Came over really well, very articulate and focussed. I like how you were determined to bring the main issues to the fore of the conversation despite some randomness in the questioning. I get really annoyed when reporters try to throw all related issues into an interview, or even a question, at once. This in many ways only contributes to blur the whole discussion (just my thing!) I guess its a time thing with radio and media, but doesn't help in achieving a bit of clarity and focus imo I think you are absolutely right. Of course some of them are better than others, and some understand the topic better than others. Some genuinely want to give you a chance to say what you want. Others just try to be clever. Ive done a few radio interviews myself and its so easy to be thrown off track, so I really appreciated your ability to stay on topic and determination to address the issues you felt needed to be addressed. Let's see what happens next?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 3, 2021 15:38:21 GMT
Be nice to hear a articulate argument as to what he glaziers have done wrong they found a business that they acquired in a diet way have allowed it to invest millions in players and managers and funded that entitled legally
Be lovely if they get their way and it all ends in a highly leveraged implosion
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 3, 2021 15:47:51 GMT
saw it Malcolm you came accross very well. Thank you. I like live interviews because you have control over what's going out and are not at the mercy of the editor, but the risk is that if you cock up you can't ask for a 2nd bite of the cherry. I don't think I scored any own goals on this occasion Nope very good. Fair play to you with all them millions watching.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 3, 2021 15:52:08 GMT
Be nice to hear a articulate argument as to what he glaziers have done wrong they found a business that they acquired in a diet way have allowed it to invest millions in players and managers and funded that entitled legally Be lovely if they get their way and it all ends in a highly leveraged implosion Really? I think people are blinded by their hatred of Man U. There is a way bigger issue at stake here. We should be supporting the Man United fans here. I hate them on the pitch, but they are making a stand for the good of their club and that goes for football in general. I would say the same for the likes of Bury and Macclesfield. Leave petty rivalries aside for one moment
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Post by J-Roar on May 3, 2021 15:58:02 GMT
Interesting they used the word 'slashed' to describe the injury to the police man. It's a very emotive word and it's been picked up by the media and public alike. He could have been hit by a bottle for all we know but that doesn't sound as shocking. Also saying he required emergency treatment also sounds worse than going to casualty for 2 stitches - it conjures up images of being critically injured. As soon as some idiots decided to damage Sky equipment and throw a flare at the commentators the whole protest was never going to get a positive press. I don't think positivity is what they were after. They have campaigned for 16 years and got precisely nowhere. This at least has got them publicity.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 3, 2021 16:01:12 GMT
Be nice to hear a articulate argument as to what he glaziers have done wrong they found a business that they acquired in a diet way have allowed it to invest millions in players and managers and funded that entitled legally Be lovely if they get their way and it all ends in a highly leveraged implosion Really? I think people are blinded by their hatred of Man U. There is a way bigger issue at stake here. We should be supporting the Man United fans here. I hate them on the pitch, but they are making a stand for the good of their club and that goes for football in general. I would say the same for the likes of Bury and Macclesfield. Leave petty rivalries aside for one moment What on earth has gone on in the last 16 years under the glaziers that’s harmed them other then they aren’t as good as the Competition They have absolutely zero in common with the normal football fans do stoke let alone bury and Macc
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Post by J-Roar on May 3, 2021 16:05:40 GMT
It's a pity for them that Ferguson got greedy and pissed off Magnier and McManus over Rock of Gibraltar.
That let the door open for the Glazers to pounce.
Not that Man Utd fans remember that.
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Post by 1982stokie on May 3, 2021 16:10:08 GMT
It's a pity for them that Ferguson got greedy and pissed off Magnier and McManus over Rock of Gibraltar. That let the door open for the Glazers to pounce. Not that Man Utd fans remember that. Yes didn’t they want them out.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 3, 2021 16:22:38 GMT
Really? I think people are blinded by their hatred of Man U. There is a way bigger issue at stake here. We should be supporting the Man United fans here. I hate them on the pitch, but they are making a stand for the good of their club and that goes for football in general. I would say the same for the likes of Bury and Macclesfield. Leave petty rivalries aside for one moment What on earth has gone on in the last 16 years under the glaziers that’s harmed them other then they aren’t as good as the Competition They have absolutely zero in common with the normal football fans do stoke let alone bury and Macc They were hit with 30%+ prices rises in 2010 putting top price tickets up towards the £1,000 mark. They've gone from debt free to being saddled with a £455m debt which is rising again. Many fans feel completely disengaged from the club, threatening letters about moving seats, being forced to buy cup tickets, just a cash cow to be milked rather than a supporter. Why do you think a Man Utd fan from Eccles or Wythenshaw feels any different than fans of Stoke, Macclesfield, Bury or whoever? You don't get an additional line on your monthly pay slip saying "successful club subsidy" just for info......
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Post by neckender78 on May 3, 2021 16:29:12 GMT
Football as it is now isn't sustainable and hasn't been for nigh on 20 years. I have no interest in the Champions League never mind a super league so fair play to fan power that kicked up a fuss and forced greedy owners hand. But a super league will reappear just in a different format. Fans of the Shit and the other self proclaimed top 6 need get in their heads one of the biggest issue here is player wages. They dont protest at Pogba demanding 400k a week to stay (fuckin laughable) or paying out 90million on Maguire etc in fact they demand signatures of the best players in the world not caring what they pay out to do.so. Who do they think pays these greedy twats?? Am sure all these top teams turnover a loss and the reason why these greedy owners want 39th games abroad and super leagues is to increase turnover through TV rights etc to be able to pay the ever increasing demands of player wages. They want the Glazers out, but who on earth are they expecting to pay 3 or 4 billion to buy them out?? Football needs a total reset but we may as well talk to the wall as nothing changes. Football was made by and for the working man and has now been stolen by the rich and that includes the players.
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Post by spitthedog on May 3, 2021 17:06:39 GMT
Football as it is now isn't sustainable and hasn't been for nigh on 20 years. I have no interest in the Champions League never mind a super league so fair play to fan power that kicked up a fuss and forced greedy owners hand. But a super league will reappear just in a different format. Fans of the Shit and the other self proclaimed top 6 need get in their heads one of the biggest issue here is player wages. They dont protest at Pogba demanding 400k a week to stay (fuckin laughable) or paying out 90million on Maguire etc in fact they demand signatures of the best players in the world not caring what they pay out to do.so. Who do they think pays these greedy twats?? Am sure all these top teams turnover a loss and the reason why these greedy owners want 39th games abroad and super leagues is to increase turnover through TV rights etc to be able to pay the ever increasing demands of player wages. They want the Glazers out, but who on earth are they expecting to pay 3 or 4 billion to buy them out?? Football needs a total reset but we may as well talk to the wall as nothing changes. Football was made by and for the working man and has now been stolen by the rich and that includes the players. I think it is an excellent post. But I'm not convinced all fans are happy with their team paying these wages, even if it might be a minority. I think some football fans do have an ethical, or moral code over which they wont step relating to things like wages. FC United demonstrated this (though not explicitly wage related), and I meet many fans at non-league games who used go to support Big 6 teams, they still support those teams but have lost the love and don't go anymore, & because it costs too much sometimes. (though these things are all related) I agree players and agents have been absolutely part of the problem, though it's a problem that includes quite a few culprits who have taken us down this road, including TV companies and on a lesser, though still significant level, their subscribers. I think these protests are not going to remedy all the ills, no way, but there is a point when some folk feel they have had enough and need to let off steam. It least it makes people think about where the game (which in many ways reflects society) is going.
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Post by felonious on May 3, 2021 17:15:02 GMT
What on earth has gone on in the last 16 years under the glaziers that’s harmed them other then they aren’t as good as the Competition They have absolutely zero in common with the normal football fans do stoke let alone bury and Macc They were hit with 30%+ prices rises in 2010 putting top price tickets up towards the £1,000 mark. They've gone from debt free to being saddled with a £455m debt which is rising again. Many fans feel completely disengaged from the club, threatening letters about moving seats, being forced to buy cup tickets, just a cash cow to be milked rather than a supporter. Why do you think a Man Utd fan from Eccles or Wythenshaw feels any different than fans of Stoke, Macclesfield, Bury or whoever? You don't get an additional line on your monthly pay slip saying "successful club subsidy" just for info...... Wasn't it worse than that. I was told to get a season ticket their fans had to commit to buying cup tickets, both domestic and European.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 3, 2021 17:17:16 GMT
They were hit with 30%+ prices rises in 2010 putting top price tickets up towards the £1,000 mark. They've gone from debt free to being saddled with a £455m debt which is rising again. Many fans feel completely disengaged from the club, threatening letters about moving seats, being forced to buy cup tickets, just a cash cow to be milked rather than a supporter. Why do you think a Man Utd fan from Eccles or Wythenshaw feels any different than fans of Stoke, Macclesfield, Bury or whoever? You don't get an additional line on your monthly pay slip saying "successful club subsidy" just for info...... Wasn't it worse than that. I was told to get a season ticket their fans had to commit to buying cup tickets, both domestic and European. Think so yeah.......
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Post by marylandstoke on May 3, 2021 17:25:12 GMT
If anyone is interested I did an interview on Radio 5 live this morning ( about 2 hrs 6 mins 30 in on the below link) www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000vq8tI've also just done a live on Sky Sports News ( wearing my 1972 Stoke shirt for Gods benefit ) and a pre-record for Sky News which will be on sometime after 5. Very, very nice piece. Particularly liked the listed building analogy.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 3, 2021 17:30:19 GMT
Wasn't it worse than that. I was told to get a season ticket their fans had to commit to buying cup tickets, both domestic and European. Think so yeah....... I did my degree in Manchester in the early 80's. Manchester United were massive back then, usually sold out every game and the fanbase much more local. They were also one of the cheapest grounds in the league to get into and had cash turnstiles. Those are the fans who are genuine supporters and the same ones that have been ripped off by the Glazer family.
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Post by chiswickpotter on May 3, 2021 17:33:36 GMT
Football as it is now isn't sustainable and hasn't been for nigh on 20 years. I have no interest in the Champions League never mind a super league so fair play to fan power that kicked up a fuss and forced greedy owners hand. But a super league will reappear just in a different format. Fans of the Shit and the other self proclaimed top 6 need get in their heads one of the biggest issue here is player wages. They dont protest at Pogba demanding 400k a week to stay (fuckin laughable) or paying out 90million on Maguire etc in fact they demand signatures of the best players in the world not caring what they pay out to do.so. Who do they think pays these greedy twats?? Am sure all these top teams turnover a loss and the reason why these greedy owners want 39th games abroad and super leagues is to increase turnover through TV rights etc to be able to pay the ever increasing demands of player wages. They want the Glazers out, but who on earth are they expecting to pay 3 or 4 billion to buy them out?? Football needs a total reset but we may as well talk to the wall as nothing changes. Football was made by and for the working man and has now been stolen by the rich and that includes the players. I think it is an excellent post. But I'm not convinced all fans are happy with their team paying these wages, even if it might be a minority. I think some football fans do have an ethical, or moral code over which they wont step relating to things like wages. FC United demonstrated this (though not explicitly wage related), and I meet many fans at non-league games who used go to support Big 6 teams, they still support those teams but have lost the love and don't go anymore, & because it costs too much sometimes. (though these things are all related) I agree players and agents have been absolutely part of the problem, though it's a problem that includes quite a few culprits who have taken us down this road, including TV companies and on a lesser, though still significant level, their subscribers. I think these protests are not going to remedy all the ills, no way, but there is a point when some folk feel they have had enough and need to let off steam. It least it makes people think about where the game (which in many ways reflects society) is going. Agreed. In the last FSA survey, 70% of fans supported a salary cap
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Post by neckender78 on May 3, 2021 17:42:58 GMT
Football as it is now isn't sustainable and hasn't been for nigh on 20 years. I have no interest in the Champions League never mind a super league so fair play to fan power that kicked up a fuss and forced greedy owners hand. But a super league will reappear just in a different format. Fans of the Shit and the other self proclaimed top 6 need get in their heads one of the biggest issue here is player wages. They dont protest at Pogba demanding 400k a week to stay (fuckin laughable) or paying out 90million on Maguire etc in fact they demand signatures of the best players in the world not caring what they pay out to do.so. Who do they think pays these greedy twats?? Am sure all these top teams turnover a loss and the reason why these greedy owners want 39th games abroad and super leagues is to increase turnover through TV rights etc to be able to pay the ever increasing demands of player wages. They want the Glazers out, but who on earth are they expecting to pay 3 or 4 billion to buy them out?? Football needs a total reset but we may as well talk to the wall as nothing changes. Football was made by and for the working man and has now been stolen by the rich and that includes the players. I think it is an excellent post. But I'm not convinced all fans are happy with their team paying these wages, even if it might be a minority. I think some football fans do have an ethical, or moral code over which they wont step relating to things like wages. FC United demonstrated this (though not explicitly wage related), and I meet many fans at non-league games who used go to support Big 6 teams, they still support those teams but have lost the love and don't go anymore, & because it costs too much sometimes. (though these things are all related) I agree players and agents have been absolutely part of the problem, though it's a problem that includes quite a few culprits who have taken us down this road, including TV companies and on a lesser, though still significant level, their subscribers. I think these protests are not going to remedy all the ills, no way, but there is a point when some folk feel they have had enough and need to let off steam. It least it makes people think about where the game (which in many ways reflects society) is going. Agree with all that especially the TV broadcasters. Sky trying to act the moral highground and the voice of the fans with regards to the Super league and these issues is fuckin laughable. Indirectly they have created the "big 6" and blionaire owners and wank themselves into a frenzy over hundred million pound deals
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