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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 3, 2021 11:38:00 GMT
I'm always suspicious of people who are extremely pro-Police and also of those who are extremely anti-Police. The above is also true if you replace the word 'Police' with 'weed' or 'The Royal Family'. The Pro faction in each case always seem to be forelock-tugging bootlicking little Englanders that have erectile disfunction, gout, and a four-bed in the suburbs in which they live with their mahogany wives. The Anti camp on the other hand almost definitely own a never-been-washed Levellers t-shirt, a skanky looking dog on a piece of string,have dreadlocks despite being white and are probably called Felix. All are cunts. Yes, but gout is easily cured with 300mg of Allopurinol every day - every Stokie knows that! And if they didn't they do now. PS avoiding liver and asparagus also helps! This information was brought to you - free - by Lakeland Potter - man of the people!
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Post by march4 on May 3, 2021 11:41:32 GMT
I'm always suspicious of people who are extremely pro-Police and also of those who are extremely anti-Police. The above is also true if you replace the word 'Police' with 'weed' or 'The Royal Family'. The Pro faction in each case always seem to be forelock-tugging bootlicking little Englanders that have erectile disfunction, gout, and a four-bed in the suburbs in which they live with their mahogany wives. The Anti camp on the other hand almost definitely own a never-been-washed Levellers t-shirt, a skanky looking dog on a piece of string,have dreadlocks despite being white and are probably called Felix. All are cunts. Yes, but gout is easily cured with 300mg of Allopurinol every day - every Stokie knows that! And if they didn't they do now. PS avoiding liver and asparagus also helps! This information was brought to you - free - by Lakeland Potter - man of the people! Post of the year!!
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 3, 2021 11:42:02 GMT
A couple of questions 1) What is your take on the word “battered”? 2) If you were an officer outnumbered by 10-1 was having bottles thrown at you and being pushed into a corner by a baying group of young lads what would you do? I’m thinking push them back by striking out. What chance have some police officers got in high pressured demonstrations when they handle arrests of lone individuals as badly as the likes of this one, there's many examples of this kind and it's now in the hands of The Met themselves I believe. Make no mistake camera phones are a Godsend when it comes to capturing some of the poor decision making either by individual officers or by their respective command centres. I appreciate there's always context but the amount of times you see a number of officers using excessive and inappropriate force to apprehend an individual is worrying irrespective of their alleged crime...... interesting that there’s no video showing his behaviour prior to arrest. In relation to the officer restraining thats a home office approved restraint technique which is taught in training. It should never injure the person being restrained but is used to control someone who has been violent. A full video of the whole incident would be really useful as the one that’s been filmed doesn’t show what the lad was doing prior to arrest.
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Post by metalhead on May 3, 2021 11:43:49 GMT
What chance have some police officers got in high pressured demonstrations when they handle arrests of lone individuals as badly as the likes of this one, there's many examples of this kind and it's now in the hands of The Met themselves I believe. Make no mistake camera phones are a Godsend when it comes to capturing some of the poor decision making either by individual officers or by their respective command centres. I appreciate there's always context but the amount of times you see a number of officers using excessive and inappropriate force to apprehend an individual is worrying irrespective of their alleged crime...... all police now have body worn cameras and like it or not there is a discipline procedure that isn’t just based on someone camera phone which can be edited to suit an agenda. Maybe it’s me but you get a lot of footage claiming police brutality etc but very rarely are injuries mentioned. Surely this must be a guide as to how violent the police must be. Aside from having an unhealthy obsession for violence and fanny bashing victims of domestic abuse, the police also have a real talent for losing evidence and bodyworn footage is one of those that routinely gets misplaced. Amazing in this age of data retention where information from the early 00s can be easily retrieved that digital evidence can be so easily lost... Yet the police will always find new and inventive ways to commit acts of corruption.
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Post by sportsman on May 3, 2021 11:44:31 GMT
What chance have some police officers got in high pressured demonstrations when they handle arrests of lone individuals as badly as the likes of this one, there's many examples of this kind and it's now in the hands of The Met themselves I believe. Make no mistake camera phones are a Godsend when it comes to capturing some of the poor decision making either by individual officers or by their respective command centres. I appreciate there's always context but the amount of times you see a number of officers using excessive and inappropriate force to apprehend an individual is worrying irrespective of their alleged crime...... interesting that there’s no video showing his behaviour prior to arrest. In relation to the officer restraining thats a home office approved restraint technique which is taught in training. It should never injure the person being restrained but is used to control someone who has been violent. A full video of the whole incident would be really useful as the one that’s been filmed doesn’t show what the lad was doing prior to arrest. And you'll probably find it won't be available
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on May 3, 2021 11:50:43 GMT
If anyone is interested I did an interview on Radio 5 live this morning ( about 2 hrs 6 mins 30 in on the below link) www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000vq8tI've also just done a live on Sky Sports News ( wearing my 1972 Stoke shirt for Gods benefit ) and a pre-record for Sky News which will be on sometime after 5.
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Post by innercitysumo on May 3, 2021 11:58:16 GMT
Nothing to do with the Glazers, this mob were worried that Liverpool would ruin their season so wanted the match postponed! Behave
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 3, 2021 12:01:07 GMT
interesting that there’s no video showing his behaviour prior to arrest. In relation to the officer restraining thats a home office approved restraint technique which is taught in training. It should never injure the person being restrained but is used to control someone who has been violent. A full video of the whole incident would be really useful as the one that’s been filmed doesn’t show what the lad was doing prior to arrest. And you'll probably find it won't be available More like it’ll never be released because unlike the public the Police have restrictions as to what they can put out due to data protection. The days of fudging evidence and things going missing are left in the past that’s why the IPC exist so that what happened in the 80s and 90s doesn’t happen any more. The police are a lot more transparent than they used to be. The biggest issue is they’re not allowed to share there evidence with the general public due to data protection.
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Post by metalhead on May 3, 2021 12:04:17 GMT
And you'll probably find it won't be available More like it’ll never be released because unlike the public the Police have restrictions as to what they can put out due to data protection. The days of fudging evidence and things going missing are left in the past that’s why the IPC exist so that what happened in the 80s and 90s doesn’t happen any more. The police are a lot more transparent than they used to be. The biggest issue is they’re not allowed to share there evidence with the general public due to data protection. Spoken like a true politician.
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Post by metalhead on May 3, 2021 12:15:56 GMT
Well when there's teenage kids getting whacked over and over again for merely standing there when they actually can't physically move, I would say that's unreasonable. Your 'level of knowledge' point is laughable. You don't need any training to see it was unnecessary by the police. There is footage of this for everyone to see. I've seen it myself to have come to this opinion. can you ping a link up as I’ve not seen this footage yet. It sounds pretty damning. All seems to be appearing now. Can't wait for your explanation here. Suspect this was revenge for the bottle incident. www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-utd-fan-punched-police-24025640
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Post by J-Roar on May 3, 2021 12:21:22 GMT
Interesting they used the word 'slashed' to describe the injury to the police man. It's a very emotive word and it's been picked up by the media and public alike.
He could have been hit by a bottle for all we know but that doesn't sound as shocking. Also saying he required emergency treatment also sounds worse than going to casualty for 2 stitches - it conjures up images of being critically injured.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 3, 2021 12:41:59 GMT
The actions of a minority seems to have distracted attention from the pressing concerns related to all this.
Don't allow talk of brutality (from anyone involved) to divert attention away from the butchery Glazers and their ilk are prepared to inflict on us for the sake of their own financial gain.
And anyone who believes this is just a matter for the shit should think again. Football is about comradeship and community. There are outsiders willing to charge in and destroy the things we hold dear.
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Post by a on May 3, 2021 12:49:05 GMT
Just clarifying what level of knowledge you were qualifying the improper use of force from cheers Well when there's teenage kids getting whacked over and over again for merely standing there when they actually can't physically move, I would say that's unreasonable. Your 'level of knowledge' point is laughable. You don't need any training to see it was unnecessary by the police. There is footage of this for everyone to see. I've seen it myself to have come to this opinion. Teens merely standing there? They were told to disperse several times and refused, then they were pelting regular uniformed police with missiles. One was slashed across the eye. You might think my argument is laughable but I’d say being a clueless YouTube hero thinking you know what you’re talking about with zero knowledge even funnier. I’d like to know how you’d react in that situation but luckily for you you should be quite safe behind that keyboard 😉 Easy to criticise I guess.
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Post by a on May 3, 2021 12:50:26 GMT
even handed? “I'd say 6 of 1. The fans that forcefully entered the ground were clearly an unhappy bunch. You've then got officers smashing randoms with batons.” They were defending themselves after being backed into a corner by a large group of angry fans. In relation to “heavy casualties” I must have missed that. Where? I think there are a couple of photos at the end of this article which suggest what the police were having to deal with. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56960091Nah I doubt that’s true mate that’s MSM bullshit, they were teens just standing there.... apparently 😂
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Post by spitthedog on May 3, 2021 12:51:02 GMT
If there was no trouble the police would be elsewhere....just a thought. I think the Police were probably there before the protestors tbh. That's how it normally works.
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Post by a on May 3, 2021 12:51:20 GMT
More like it’ll never be released because unlike the public the Police have restrictions as to what they can put out due to data protection. The days of fudging evidence and things going missing are left in the past that’s why the IPC exist so that what happened in the 80s and 90s doesn’t happen any more. The police are a lot more transparent than they used to be. The biggest issue is they’re not allowed to share there evidence with the general public due to data protection. Spoken like a true politician. You’d be moaning about your civil Liberty if pictures of you were being published no doubt.... 🙄
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Post by a on May 3, 2021 12:53:28 GMT
If a person when arrested won’t give their arms up to allow handcuffs to be applied then force can be used to gain control. That’s the simple answer there. He could have a knife or weapon in his hands also which again presents a safety issue. The IOPC may decide it’s too much force, or they may not. It certainly won’t be left to a kangaroo court on the oatcake (thankfully!)
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Post by a on May 3, 2021 12:56:28 GMT
If there was no trouble the police would be elsewhere....just a thought. I think the Police were probably there before the protestors tbh. That's how it normally works. In anticipation of a mass of trespassing protesters appearing though, no?
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Post by spitthedog on May 3, 2021 12:57:10 GMT
The actions of a minority seems to have distracted attention from the pressing concerns related to all this. Don't allow talk of brutality (from anyone involved) to divert attention away from the butchery Glazers and their ilk are prepared to inflict on us for the sake of their own financial gain. And anyone who believes this is just a matter for the shit should think again. Football is about comradeship and community. There are outsiders willing to charge in and destroy the things we hold dear. I agree, but I'm actually quite surprised by alot of the reporting so far which does focus on the issues, and not so much on any violence. Which says to me the protests were largely successful in that they have raised the profile of this issue for fans. I think it's just forums like this that are getting into the violence aspect. These are 2 separate issues in a way. Many outlets also reporting over aggressive policing rather going with the football hooligans.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 12:59:20 GMT
Well when there's teenage kids getting whacked over and over again for merely standing there when they actually can't physically move, I would say that's unreasonable. Your 'level of knowledge' point is laughable. You don't need any training to see it was unnecessary by the police. There is footage of this for everyone to see. I've seen it myself to have come to this opinion. Teens merely standing there? They were told to disperse several times and refused, then they were pelting regular uniformed police with missiles. One was slashed across the eye. You might think my argument is laughable but I’d say being a clueless YouTube hero thinking you know what you’re talking about with zero knowledge even funnier. I’d like to know how you’d react in that situation but luckily for you you should be quite safe behind that keyboard 😉 Easy to criticise I guess. They didn't refuse. As the girl in the video clearly stated the crowd size meant that those on the front couldn't go anywhere. So instead of using common sense, the police the decided to start hitting people with batons, as seen in one of the videos posted on here. How has the girl got zero knowledge? She was there. I've backed my claims up with footage that is there for everyone to see, yet you haven't presented anything to prove me wrong.
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Post by a on May 3, 2021 13:00:51 GMT
Teens merely standing there? They were told to disperse several times and refused, then they were pelting regular uniformed police with missiles. One was slashed across the eye. You might think my argument is laughable but I’d say being a clueless YouTube hero thinking you know what you’re talking about with zero knowledge even funnier. I’d like to know how you’d react in that situation but luckily for you you should be quite safe behind that keyboard 😉 Easy to criticise I guess. They didn't refuse. As the girl in the video clearly stated the crowd size meant that those on the front couldn't go anywhere. So instead of using common sense, the police the decided to start hitting people with batons, as seen in one of the videos posted on here. How has the girl got zero knowledge? She was there. I've backed my claims up with footage that is there for everyone to see, yet you haven't presented anything to prove me wrong. Prove that the police weren’t in the wrong? That’s not how it works 🤣 If you get accused of something it’s for the other party to prove that you’ve done wrong, not that you haven’t! 😆 Edit: however there are plenty of videos and images showing violent disorder... plenty. Sky did quite a good job of capturing it.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 13:03:13 GMT
They didn't refuse. As the girl in the video clearly stated the crowd size meant that those on the front couldn't go anywhere. So instead of using common sense, the police the decided to start hitting people with batons, as seen in one of the videos posted on here. How has the girl got zero knowledge? She was there. I've backed my claims up with footage that is there for everyone to see, yet you haven't presented anything to prove me wrong. Prove that the police weren’t in the wrong? That’s not how it works 🤣 If you get accused of something it’s for the other party to prove that you’ve done wrong, not that you haven’t! 😆 So you've answered all my questions with questions of your own, proving you can't answer any simple questions regarding the facts of the matter, and that you know you're wrong.
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Post by a on May 3, 2021 13:07:28 GMT
Prove that the police weren’t in the wrong? That’s not how it works 🤣 If you get accused of something it’s for the other party to prove that you’ve done wrong, not that you haven’t! 😆 So you've answered all my questions with questions of your own, proving you can't answer any simple questions regarding the facts of the matter, and that you know you're wrong. Not at all. You’ve managed to miss all the pictures and videos showing the police being assaulted/pelted/abused then? Throwing barriers, bottles and bricks? The police aren’t allowed to respond? Aren’t allowed to regain control and push the protestors back? Are meant to just stand there until the protesters get bored and go home? Seems it’s pointless debating, might as well go and bang my head against a wall!
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Post by innercitysumo on May 3, 2021 13:10:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 13:12:12 GMT
So you've answered all my questions with questions of your own, proving you can't answer any simple questions regarding the facts of the matter, and that you know you're wrong. Not at all. You’ve managed to miss all the pictures and videos showing the police being assaulted/pelted/abused then? Throwing barriers, bottles and bricks? The police aren’t allowed to respond? Aren’t allowed to regain control and push the protestors back? Are meant to just stand there until the protesters get bored and go home? Seems it’s pointless debating, might as well go and bang my head against a wall! Go after those who threw them then. Not screaming 'fucking move' at defenceless teenagers whilst hitting them with batons. But you're right, we both have different opinions and none of us seems to be budging on them. So we'll politely end the discussion (if that's possible on here).
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 3, 2021 13:12:21 GMT
What chance have some police officers got in high pressured demonstrations when they handle arrests of lone individuals as badly as the likes of this one, there's many examples of this kind and it's now in the hands of The Met themselves I believe. Make no mistake camera phones are a Godsend when it comes to capturing some of the poor decision making either by individual officers or by their respective command centres. I appreciate there's always context but the amount of times you see a number of officers using excessive and inappropriate force to apprehend an individual is worrying irrespective of their alleged crime...... interesting that there’s no video showing his behaviour prior to arrest. In relation to the officer restraining thats a home office approved restraint technique which is taught in training. It should never injure the person being restrained but is used to control someone who has been violent. A full video of the whole incident would be really useful as the one that’s been filmed doesn’t show what the lad was doing prior to arrest. Which is why I mentioned context, technically his crime is irrelevant though if he's not resisting arrest he's not resisting arrest. And you very rarely mention context when defending the police in these situations which I find interesting.............
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Post by a on May 3, 2021 13:17:45 GMT
Not at all. You’ve managed to miss all the pictures and videos showing the police being assaulted/pelted/abused then? Throwing barriers, bottles and bricks? The police aren’t allowed to respond? Aren’t allowed to regain control and push the protestors back? Are meant to just stand there until the protesters get bored and go home? Seems it’s pointless debating, might as well go and bang my head against a wall! Go after those who threw them then. Not screaming 'fucking move' at defenceless teenagers whilst hitting them with batons. But you're right, we both have different opinions and none of us seems to be budging on them. So we'll politely end the discussion (if that's possible on here). I’ll try to 😉
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 3, 2021 13:29:46 GMT
If anyone is interested I did an interview on Radio 5 live this morning ( about 2 hrs 6 mins 30 in on the below link) www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000vq8tI've also just done a live on Sky Sports News ( wearing my 1972 Stoke shirt for Gods benefit ) and a pre-record for Sky News which will be on sometime after 5. saw it Malcolm you came accross very well.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 3, 2021 13:34:09 GMT
interesting that there’s no video showing his behaviour prior to arrest. In relation to the officer restraining thats a home office approved restraint technique which is taught in training. It should never injure the person being restrained but is used to control someone who has been violent. A full video of the whole incident would be really useful as the one that’s been filmed doesn’t show what the lad was doing prior to arrest. Which is why I mentioned context, technically his crime is irrelevant though if he's not resisting arrest he's not resisting arrest. And you very rarely mention context when defending the police in these situations which I find interesting............. it’s very relevant. if he himself was being threatening or violent prior to arrest. All they’re actually doing is restraining him. They’re not punching or asping him are they? Of course we don’t have the full circs as his mates conveniently not put his behaviour prior to the footage on the video, all we see is him being restrained. If the police have taken him to the ground for absolutely no reason of course they’re at fault. But you look at the nature of why they’re there you’d have to question what was he doing?
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Post by alsagerstokie on May 3, 2021 13:54:35 GMT
The actions of a minority seems to have distracted attention from the pressing concerns related to all this. Don't allow talk of brutality (from anyone involved) to divert attention away from the butchery Glazers and their ilk are prepared to inflict on us for the sake of their own financial gain. And anyone who believes this is just a matter for the shit should think again. Football is about comradeship and community. There are outsiders willing to charge in and destroy the things we hold dear. As it seems more about how it was handled i dont want to get into that too much. Yes violence wasnt needed. Although Souness believing he could of been killed by a beer can imo was a bit far. Could the police of handled it differently maybe. I agree lets not forget why this hhappened. United fans weather you like or hate them have had enough. Simon Jordan was talking this morning about how much they have spent on transfers. On paper it looks like the Glazers have spent a fortune on the team. They have tho bought the club and loaded it with debt. They wont engage with the fans and they were driving this ESL for there own financial gain and couldnt give a stuff about supporters. There is an obvious problem that we all know. That is football is too top heavy. Forget about Personal bad owners. Bury and Macclesfield should not have been allowed to Fold. There is enough money in the game for this not to happen. Fuck off with the bollox why should i help Macclesfield. The amount of money at the top of game is obsurd. When all this ESL bollox was flying around. Not enough pundits were saying oh btw Dover Athletic have had the furlough all the staff and players just to survive. Ill wait for someone to say its there problem we shouldn't have to help Dover. Its footballs problem its full of greed why ive fallen out of love with it. Agents and players need to take some serious stick. Far too many are paid too much and lots are paid too much that offer nowhere near what they should. Some are not even putting in good performances yet sit on big contracts. Weve seen that with our own leeches like Imbula. Winds me up when people like Danny Murphy say if a player gets paid this or that good luck to them if the clubs are willing to pay it. Joke of a comment. 350 grand a week is easily found to pay Pierre Aubameyang. Yet 5 grand or somthing like that couldnt be found to keep Macclesfield from going bust. What United fans did yesterday was a sign they had finnaly had enough. Most football supporters dont feel like they have a voice at there club now. Whilst lots were gutted they couldnt see Man u v Liverpool yesterday and whilst thw big 6 are only interested in wealth and getting richer. Spare a thought For Grimsby and Southend supporters who through no fault of there own will be watching non league football next year and hoping the club have enough in bank to still have a team to support. TV deals Agents Player Wages. Football is in a mess. Thank God i have other interests that keep me busy.
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