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Post by badger on May 4, 2021 11:13:37 GMT
Any idea how Edwards is getting on at NY red bulls, we have heard nothing Don’t think he’s even made the bench yet according to SofaScore. I’m sure someone can explain why. They’ve a lad Kyle Duncan who has played RB in two games in a back four, then when they’ve gone back five they’ve used a RW Florian Valot. Don’t know why he’s not starting though... He was on the bench for the first time in their win on Saturday (3rd game in). Think there was something about fitness and visa, don’t think he’s actually been in the US that long.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2021 11:22:22 GMT
He's only been over there a week or two at most because of clearance/visa issues.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2021 11:24:18 GMT
I can't see how we'd attract a high quality Manager or Director of Football or Chief Executive until FFP is behind us. Anyone who is above average at any of those jobs would know that the constraints of FFP would make taking the Stoke job a big risk to have on their CV. I really think we have to "grin and bear it" until the cloud that is FFP has dispersed. Hopefully, by then, MON's comparative willingness to give youth a chance (combined with a U23 squad which is clearly better than we have had for years) will have started to bear fruit. After FFP is behind us we can then make sensible decisions knowing that we will finally be competing on a level playing field who ever manages us as we attempt to rise like a Phoenix from the ashes. Is the FFP situation actually that bad? We keep getting linked to players we need to pay money for. Is it bad journalism? Or have we got money to spend? Because tbh if it's as bad as the excuse makers like to point then we should be spending 0 this summer.
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Post by neddy on May 4, 2021 11:37:46 GMT
If this is the 4th season down surely the parachute payments are over and our salary bill has to be in line with a % of our turnover? That’s gate receipts, corporate and championship tv money?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 4, 2021 12:18:55 GMT
If this is the 4th season down surely the parachute payments are over and our salary bill has to be in line with a % of our turnover? That’s gate receipts, corporate and championship tv money? Yes, the parachute payments come to and end at the end of this season. Which makes it all the more annoying that several of our highest earners from our Prem days have contracts which still have a year or two to run! It is also quite bizarre that Bauer's contract was extended AFTER relegation when it was not clear that a new manager would be interested in playing him.
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Post by neddy on May 4, 2021 12:46:41 GMT
If this is the 4th season down surely the parachute payments are over and our salary bill has to be in line with a % of our turnover? That’s gate receipts, corporate and championship tv money? Yes, the parachute payments come to and end at the end of this season. Which makes it all the more annoying that several of our highest earners from our Prem days have contracts which still have a year or two to run! It is also quite bizarre that Bauer's contract was extended AFTER relegation when it was not clear that a new manager would be interested in playing him. So roughly 6m from championship and a bit of tv money and gate receipts so about £10/£12m tops.
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Post by neddy on May 4, 2021 12:59:57 GMT
Isn’t it up to 39m losses in three years we have to come under? Then salary spend going forward a % of income from championship?
Not sure what that% is?
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Post by AlliG on May 4, 2021 13:07:10 GMT
Yes, the parachute payments come to and end at the end of this season. Which makes it all the more annoying that several of our highest earners from our Prem days have contracts which still have a year or two to run! It is also quite bizarre that Bauer's contract was extended AFTER relegation when it was not clear that a new manager would be interested in playing him. So roughly 6m from championship and a bit of tv money and gate receipts so about £10/£12m tops. Isn't this yet another issue with ffp? By holding the price of season tickets at their current level for another season, Stoke (and any other club who do something similar) are making their ffp situation more challenging.
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Post by neddy on May 4, 2021 13:10:22 GMT
So roughly 6m from championship and a bit of tv money and gate receipts so about £10/£12m tops. Isn't this yet another issue with ffp? By holding the price of season tickets at their current level for another season, Stoke (and any other club who do something similar) are making their ffp situation more challenging. Yes and I think they are only allowed to increase spending by £4m per year?
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Post by thehoof on May 4, 2021 13:11:43 GMT
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the EFL (in its glorious wisdom) looked to fine us points if we fall foul of FFP regulations. Adherence with any compliance regulations would definitely fall under the remit of a CEO in a commercial organisation. I hope TS has made sure that we are the right side of the FFP constraints.
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Post by a on May 4, 2021 16:11:47 GMT
Don’t think he’s even made the bench yet according to SofaScore. I’m sure someone can explain why. They’ve a lad Kyle Duncan who has played RB in two games in a back four, then when they’ve gone back five they’ve used a RW Florian Valot. Don’t know why he’s not starting though... He was on the bench for the first time in their win on Saturday (3rd game in). Think there was something about fitness and visa, don’t think he’s actually been in the US that long. Typical of Stoke to loan a player that has to wait for clearance. Agudelo mk2 in reverse? 😂
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Post by J-Roar on May 4, 2021 18:10:31 GMT
😂 I hope you’re taking the Michael, Lakeland! Under the current ownership things will never change and now Junior has taken over it’ll only get worse if anything. This club, and the area it’s in, has an attitude of “it’ll do” or “it is what it is”. It’s scared of change and thinks because something once worked fine that it should never be changed. That’s why we have an outdated attitude towards team management, transfers, and all the off the pitch stuff too. The current owners and Scholes are lucky that FFP exists as it gives them an excuse for the current shambles and inability to fix it (even though they caused it). And let’s face it if FFP didn’t exist and there was a bottomless pit we’d only be buying Hal Robson-Kanu for £12m. If you were a good (i.e. clearly above average) manager/director of football/chief executive, of a football club would you come to Stoke at the moment? Or would you show how sensible you are - by saying "no thanks, I'll wait for a year or two so I can do my job without the metaphorical ball and chain of FFP locked around my ankle." EDIT: Would you also explain how the club could pay up the contracts of the manager and assistant manager and the Chief Executive at present, without getting even deeper into the mire that is FFP. If you can explain how to do it you are obviously more of a financial genius than I am - so congratulations! Thought coaching costs didn't count towards FFP.
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Post by J-Roar on May 4, 2021 18:17:53 GMT
The fact that Scholes is still in a job having overseen this assemblage of over the hill donkeys, shithouses who don't want to play for us and division 1 standard players tells you that this club will never re-structure with the dumb one of the Coates bloodline at the helm. Amateurs. I do imagine the board meetings with them all sat round telling each other how great they each are doing. The board is rotten - Rowett wanted out after a few weeks and looking back it looks like he went all out to get paid off. I think the fetid atmosphere in the dressing room and the stench of amateurism seeping from the boardroom both contributed to this.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 5, 2021 6:47:55 GMT
The fact that Scholes is still in a job having overseen this assemblage of over the hill donkeys, shithouses who don't want to play for us and division 1 standard players tells you that this club will never re-structure with the dumb one of the Coates bloodline at the helm. Amateurs. I do imagine the board meetings with them all sat round telling each other how great they each are doing. The board is rotten - Rowett wanted out after a few weeks and looking back it looks like he went all out to get paid off. I think the fetid atmosphere in the dressing room and the stench of amateurism seeping from the boardroom both contributed to this. Has the 'Rowett wanted out after a few weeks' thing ever been substantiated or was it just people putting 2+2 together? I don't think his splurge was a Brewster's Millions-style race to the bottom, he's just an idiot.
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Post by J-Roar on May 5, 2021 8:17:56 GMT
I do imagine the board meetings with them all sat round telling each other how great they each are doing. The board is rotten - Rowett wanted out after a few weeks and looking back it looks like he went all out to get paid off. I think the fetid atmosphere in the dressing room and the stench of amateurism seeping from the boardroom both contributed to this. Has the 'Rowett wanted out after a few weeks' thing ever been substantiated or was it just people putting 2+2 together? I don't think his splurge was a Brewster's Millions-style race to the bottom, he's just an idiot. I thought he'd threatened to walk over Woods. Certainly isolating Bojan and then turning on the support were textbook. You're right though. He could just be a blithering idiot.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 5, 2021 8:24:12 GMT
Has the 'Rowett wanted out after a few weeks' thing ever been substantiated or was it just people putting 2+2 together? I don't think his splurge was a Brewster's Millions-style race to the bottom, he's just an idiot. I thought he'd threatened to walk over Woods. Certainly isolating Bojan and then turning on the support were textbook. You're right though. He could just be a blithering idiot. It was rumoured on here but never with any kind of credible evidence I don't think? He certainly couldn't complain about not being backed.
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