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Post by zerps on May 1, 2021 16:52:35 GMT
We bring Vokes on to save every game so it’s not a worry
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2021 16:56:08 GMT
Not a chance we should be no. Which is why sacking him should be a real possibility. Virtually all the squad (including our best player) out of contract at the end of the season, Campbell coming off an horrific knee injury, Doughty coming off the worst hamstring tear you can get, our only striker being 34 and looking worryingly spent in the closing months of the season, all the midfield being the wrong side of 30 or Jordan Thompson - and you don't think relegation could be on the cards, Bayern? I wish I had that level of confidence! I really think cracking the top half would be a bit of a triumph next season unless several rabbits are pulled out of the hat over the summer. No it shouldn’t be. I’d sack MON now. It won’t happen though so I’m not going to get arsed about it.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 30, 2021 16:11:42 GMT
www.oddschecker.com/football/english/championship/winnerStill shorter than you'd think for the title - like we are every season Fulham 11/2 6 11/2 6 15/2 W. Brom 15/2 6 15/2 9 7 B'mouth 10 10 10 7 8 Sheffield Utd 8 10 8 9 9 Swansea 14 14 14 16 14 N. Forest 16 18 16 18 20 Barnsley 20 20 20 14 16 Cardiff 16 20 16 16 20 Stoke 16 20 16 18 14 M'brough 16 20 16 14 25 Reading 25 20 25 20 20 Millwall 25 33 25 25 33 QPR 25 22 25 33 33 Bristol C 33 33 33 30 33 Blackburn 20 25 20 22 33 Hull 40 25 40 30 33 Derby 50 50 40 B'ham 40 25 40 25 50 Luton 40 50 40 40 33 Coventry 40 40 40 50 33 Preston 33 40 33 22 50 Hudders 50 50 33 50 P'borough 66 66 66 60 66 Blackpool 66 80 80 100 50
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Post by lordb on May 30, 2021 16:24:58 GMT
www.oddschecker.com/football/english/championship/winnerStill shorter than you'd think for the title - like we are every season Fulham 11/2 6 11/2 6 15/2 W. Brom 15/2 6 15/2 9 7 B'mouth 10 10 10 7 8 Sheffield Utd 8 10 8 9 9 Swansea 14 14 14 16 14 N. Forest 16 18 16 18 20 Barnsley 20 20 20 14 16 Cardiff 16 20 16 16 20 Stoke 16 20 16 18 14 M'brough 16 20 16 14 25 Reading 25 20 25 20 20 Millwall 25 33 25 25 33 QPR 25 22 25 33 33 Bristol C 33 33 33 30 33 Blackburn 20 25 20 22 33 Hull 40 25 40 30 33 Derby 50 50 40 B'ham 40 25 40 25 50 Luton 40 50 40 40 33 Coventry 40 40 40 50 33 Preston 33 40 33 22 50 Hudders 50 50 33 50 P'borough 66 66 66 60 66 Bristol City
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 30, 2021 16:26:35 GMT
With players hopefully back Campbell, Dougherty and Collins and the odd addition i’m a little more confident that we’ll be ok. With a fit Campbell we were heading towards the playoffs till he got injured why should next season be any different.
So much in this league depends on injuries. We’ve also got some good youngsters coming through.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 16:29:36 GMT
There is so little quality in this team that it's really painful to watch! I can hardly believe the quality of the crosses from players playing football almost every day! Not too long ago we were watching wingers like Etherington, Pennant, Arnautovic and Shaqiri, and now we almost just have players of league one standard! If we can't keep players fit next season we need to bring in more creativity and goals unless I really think we'll struggle to stay up. Another sickening performance, how much more can we take! It’s all about keeping players fit. O’Neill needs to learn game management better. But overall, the players around us are no better than our players. It’s no wonder that most teams going up to the Prem go down straight after. The Championship is home to crap football.
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Post by J-Roar on May 30, 2021 17:26:18 GMT
On the showing of the second half of this season (the 1st not being too great) we're surely going to stuggle. I can't see many sides worse than us. Gouranga. We are relegation certainties next season - this manager does not have a clue how to positively influence a game. If MON isour manager for the start of next season I am going to do something I've never done before - place money in the bookies in Stoke going down. His consistant use of certain players is bad enough but his substitutions are just bloody bizarre - how many games has he bought Sam fuckin Vokes on this season and how many games has he affected positively. Put your house on it. You'll clean up.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 17:38:05 GMT
In past seasons as some on here conjured up unrealistic targets for the team, it was often left to me (and others, of course) to throw water on those heady dreams and point out that the team wasn't good enough yet. So I'd like to wash my hands off of that and state that no way are we relegation certainties - we have, after all, made minor progress each of the last two seasons, very minor, but you can't deny that we've moved one step up the table each season.
We have probably the best squad of players in the championship, but up until now, we have not had a good team. There's some way to go yet, before we do, but bit by bit we've come to have a nucleus of players that look good together. Now if we could only make the manager see that he has gold on his hands, we could go somewhere, not necessarily into the top 2, but we have chances if we don't screw it up by bringing in players that are worse than the ones we already have.
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Post by march4 on May 30, 2021 17:40:52 GMT
I think we will make a poor start and will be in relegation trouble.
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Post by andystokey on May 30, 2021 17:49:09 GMT
Fans back, wont take the shit served up since Christmas. They'll buck up or fans will force a change. He won't dare play the subs he has without a reaction.
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Post by Marc01 on May 30, 2021 18:56:35 GMT
www.oddschecker.com/football/english/championship/winnerStill shorter than you'd think for the title - like we are every season Fulham 11/2 6 11/2 6 15/2 W. Brom 15/2 6 15/2 9 7 B'mouth 10 10 10 7 8 Sheffield Utd 8 10 8 9 9 Swansea 14 14 14 16 14 N. Forest 16 18 16 18 20 Barnsley 20 20 20 14 16 Cardiff 16 20 16 16 20 Stoke 16 20 16 18 14 M'brough 16 20 16 14 25 Reading 25 20 25 20 20 Millwall 25 33 25 25 33 QPR 25 22 25 33 33 Bristol C 33 33 33 30 33 Blackburn 20 25 20 22 33 Hull 40 25 40 30 33 Derby 50 50 40 B'ham 40 25 40 25 50 Luton 40 50 40 40 33 Coventry 40 40 40 50 33 Preston 33 40 33 22 50 Hudders 50 50 33 50 P'borough 66 66 66 60 66 Blackpool 66 80 80 100 50 This will be the season where expectations have lowered the most since relegation and it wouldn’t be surprising if this transpires be the best season of the four. At the start of 95/96 there was little expectation (or finance) but one or two key things happened to turn around a very poor start and culminate in a fourth place finish.
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Post by onepara on May 30, 2021 19:10:18 GMT
Who needs doom-sayers, when we've got you lot as so-called supporters. No need to ask others to talk us down, you do it for them. Are you Stoker City supporters, or what. I take it that none of you have bought season cards, then? What a way for you to start a season. You're pathetic. I don't know what other teams supporters think of you when they come on here to read what we have to say. You're beaten before you even start. Rant over.
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Post by silverdollar on May 30, 2021 19:21:16 GMT
On the showing of the second half of this season (the 1st not being too great) we're surely going to stuggle. I can't see many sides worse than us. Gouranga. I have watched my team play every game this season and I would be lying if I said that I have never felt disappointed and some times been critically but not for one minute have I ever felt the players have not given their full effort and they certainly have never been dire! You need to man up!
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Post by GoBoks on May 30, 2021 19:30:10 GMT
Where's Benny Biscuit?
Ok all you wimpy so-called fans- I challenge you: If you're so confident that we're going down, post your Fifty Pound bookie ticket on here. I don't bet, but if we get relegated, I will donate Fifty Pounds to the Oatcake's favorite Stoke based charity. You should get excellent odds right now and your money should be safe as houses, unless of course, you're all talking negative crap as usual.
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Post by Gods on May 30, 2021 19:31:45 GMT
www.oddschecker.com/football/english/championship/winnerStill shorter than you'd think for the title - like we are every season Fulham 11/2 6 11/2 6 15/2 W. Brom 15/2 6 15/2 9 7 B'mouth 10 10 10 7 8 Sheffield Utd 8 10 8 9 9 Swansea 14 14 14 16 14 N. Forest 16 18 16 18 20 Barnsley 20 20 20 14 16 Cardiff 16 20 16 16 20 Stoke 16 20 16 18 14 M'brough 16 20 16 14 25 Reading 25 20 25 20 20 Millwall 25 33 25 25 33 QPR 25 22 25 33 33 Bristol C 33 33 33 30 33 Blackburn 20 25 20 22 33 Hull 40 25 40 30 33 Derby 50 50 40 B'ham 40 25 40 25 50 Luton 40 50 40 40 33 Coventry 40 40 40 50 33 Preston 33 40 33 22 50 Hudders 50 50 33 50 P'borough 66 66 66 60 66 Blackpool 66 80 80 100 50 Yes we are 16/1 for the Title and 5/1 for Promotion with most bookmakers. It doesn't seem to matter how poorly we perform or how obvious it is our hands are tied behind our back for another season the bookmakers, and by inference the betting public at large, reckon we are among the best of the non relegated teams. It's like the memory of those 10 years in the Premier league just won't quite leave us despite all signs to the contrary.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 30, 2021 19:53:12 GMT
Play-offs next season, or just outside.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on May 30, 2021 20:03:55 GMT
Who needs doom-sayers, when we've got you lot as so-called supporters. No need to ask others to talk us down, you do it for them. Are you Stoker City supporters, or what. I take it that none of you have bought season cards, then? What a way for you to start a season. You're pathetic. I don't know what other teams supporters think of you when they come on here to read what we have to say. You're beaten before you even start. Rant over. I bow down to your greater supporter status sir... we all do I’m sure. We will win the league and FA Cup without losing a game, I don’t know what all of these guys are talking about, we’re the best team ever!!! Be realistic, you can support your team and know that in 2021 we’ve been the worst side in the league by far. Both managers, who we hated before this useless one we have now, managed to finish above us with teams that should be far worse than ours. Wake up.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on May 30, 2021 20:05:45 GMT
On the showing of the second half of this season (the 1st not being too great) we're surely going to stuggle. I can't see many sides worse than us. Gouranga. I have watched my team play every game this season and I would be lying if I said that I have never felt disappointed and some times been critically but not for one minute have I ever felt the players have not given their full effort and they certainly have never been dire! You need to man up! I have seen every game this season home and away and I must say you seem to have watched something different than what has been at times a shit show. Gouranga.
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Post by mowlee on May 30, 2021 20:49:58 GMT
I have watched my team play every game this season and I would be lying if I said that I have never felt disappointed and some times been critically but not for one minute have I ever felt the players have not given their full effort and they certainly have never been dire! You need to man up! I have seen every game this season home and away and I must say you seem to have watched something different than what has been at times a shit show. Gouranga. I agree.. we weren’t so bad before the new year.. but after that an absolute shit show.. the first 10 games will show us how our season will roll
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Post by scfc75 on May 30, 2021 20:57:13 GMT
Who needs doom-sayers, when we've got you lot as so-called supporters. No need to ask others to talk us down, you do it for them. Are you Stoker City supporters, or what. I take it that none of you have bought season cards, then? What a way for you to start a season. You're pathetic. I don't know what other teams supporters think of you when they come on here to read what we have to say. You're beaten before you even start. Rant over. I bow down to your greater supporter status sir... we all do I’m sure. We will win the league and FA Cup without losing a game, I don’t know what all of these guys are talking about, we’re the best team ever!!! Be realistic, you can support your team and know that in 2021 we’ve been the worst side in the league by far. Both managers, who we hated before this useless one we have now, managed to finish above us with teams that should be far worse than ours. Wake up. 4 other teams were worse than us.
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 30, 2021 21:05:24 GMT
We wont be relegation fodder in my view - mid-table / top-half with a decent chance of flirting with playoffs - as ever it will be WIDE OPEN and there for the taking - obviously relegted PREM clubs will be expected to be top 6 although we know that doesn't always go to plan.
The wide-openness and random results that this league throws up is what gives me hope!!
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Post by onepara on May 30, 2021 21:13:53 GMT
I bow down to your greater supporter status sir... we all do I’m sure. We will win the league and FA Cup without losing a game, I don’t know what all of these guys are talking about, we’re the best team ever!!! Be realistic, you can support your team and know that in 2021 we’ve been the worst side in the league by far. Both managers, who we hated before this useless one we have now, managed to finish above us with teams that should be far worse than ours. Wake up. 4 other teams were worse than us. How can we have been the worst team in the league by far. Were we relegated, no. Stupid comments. Sarcasm doesn't help you. Childish. Grow up.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 21:19:12 GMT
I think we will make a poor start and will be in relegation trouble. Surprise Surprise. It's Cilla here.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2021 21:25:24 GMT
We'll definitely get relegated. No doubt about it. It'll be sad But the most important thing is I'll be able drag this post up and show you all how clever I am because I predicted it.
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Post by scfc75 on May 30, 2021 21:28:57 GMT
We'll definitely get relegated. No doubt about it. It'll be sad But the most important thing is I'll be able drag this post up and show you all how clever I am because I predicted it. More importantly, if you do it exactly a year later…. “Significant anniversary”
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2021 21:51:33 GMT
We'll definitely get relegated. No doubt about it. It'll be sad But the most important thing is I'll be able drag this post up and show you all how clever I am because I predicted it. More importantly, if you do it exactly a year later…. “Significant anniversary” Good idea mate 😀
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Post by stokesupporter on May 31, 2021 8:23:03 GMT
I kind of like the situation where we are tipped to fight for our league place. Stoke have always played better while being underdogs, and the fans an players will be more united to fight for the cause. I think this might be the start of the new beginning. Lots of contracts expiring 2022 so after the next season we have more room to operate in the plyer markets as well. I have also no doubt that also some of our existing players will rise to the next level when given more responsibility and game time by the management team, a bit like we already saw in a match against Bournemouth.
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Post by pipegatepotter on May 31, 2021 9:16:56 GMT
In past seasons as some on here conjured up unrealistic targets for the team, it was often left to me (and others, of course) to throw water on those heady dreams and point out that the team wasn't good enough yet. So I'd like to wash my hands off of that and state that no way are we relegation certainties - we have, after all, made minor progress each of the last two seasons, very minor, but you can't deny that we've moved one step up the table each season. We have probably the best squad of players in the championship, but up until now, we have not had a good team. There's some way to go yet, before we do, but bit by bit we've come to have a nucleus of players that look good together. Now if we could only make the manager see that he has gold on his hands, we could go somewhere, not necessarily into the top 2, but we have chances if we don't screw it up by bringing in players that are worse than the ones we already have. We have probably the best squad of players? Are you taking the piss with that comment? The largest squad in no way means the best squad. We have the most average players I can ever remember in my time and the standard of acquisitions doesn’t fill me with any great hope neither
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2021 9:25:10 GMT
We should be nowhere near relegation.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 9:48:13 GMT
In past seasons as some on here conjured up unrealistic targets for the team, it was often left to me (and others, of course) to throw water on those heady dreams and point out that the team wasn't good enough yet. So I'd like to wash my hands off of that and state that no way are we relegation certainties - we have, after all, made minor progress each of the last two seasons, very minor, but you can't deny that we've moved one step up the table each season. We have probably the best squad of players in the championship, but up until now, we have not had a good team. There's some way to go yet, before we do, but bit by bit we've come to have a nucleus of players that look good together. Now if we could only make the manager see that he has gold on his hands, we could go somewhere, not necessarily into the top 2, but we have chances if we don't screw it up by bringing in players that are worse than the ones we already have. We have probably the best squad of players? Are you taking the piss with that comment? The largest squad in no way means the best squad. We have the most average players I can ever remember in my time and the standard of acquisitions doesn’t fill me with any great hope neither We are an average team as our last three seasons' standings show. But within the team is quality just waiting to burst out. With all the comings and goings and the treatment tables filling up, it's been difficult for us to have a settled team where everyone knows what the other does or even what they themselves are supposed to do on individual matchdays. We are now back at square one. All plates are in the process of being wiped clean. We can focus on building rather than papering cracks. The youngsters are a year older and the older ones are not too old. They can build themselves a good structure and once it's in its place, we could see Powell becoming the fulcrum of the team again instead of dropping back to where he's half the player. We could see Campbell slowly get back to fitness and once he is explode on poor unsuspecting defenders, partnered by Varian and DWP. Collins and Souttar may be coveted by 20 clubs, but they want to play and improve here. Bursik will make Gunn want to escape, his confidence must be rocket high. Tymon won't establish himself this season either, but there will be more of his pacy cameos and defenders won't know what to do about it. Forget about acquiring unknown quantities - there's better quality coming from within. So you can understand why I am excited about next season.
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