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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 17, 2021 13:31:50 GMT
Absolute fuck all about us. Nothing, nowt, zilch.
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Post by loosestools on Apr 17, 2021 13:35:48 GMT
Beige
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 17, 2021 13:37:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 13:38:27 GMT
It might be worse than that , we may be a rotten club
Luton beat Watford , Millwall got a point at Brentford ...NJ and Rowett are both doing a good job on tiny budgets
They can run Luton or Millwall fine
But managing Stoke is step too far
Something is clearly wrong with this club
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Apr 17, 2021 13:39:44 GMT
It's all at MON's feet this, at home against a side that's on a shite run of form and can hardly score away from home and we dish up 5 at the back, it was fucking dire. Gouranga.  |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 17, 2021 13:41:40 GMT
Second half was diabolical.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 17, 2021 13:45:35 GMT
It might be worse than that , we may be a rotten club Luton beat Watford , Millwall got a point at Brentford ...NJ and Rowett are both doing a good job on tiny budgets They can run Luton or Millwall fine But managing Stoke is step too far Something is clearly wrong with this club They both brought it on themselves, Rowett went nuts wasting money then started on the fans, Jones tried a setup we didn't have the players for, it's pretty obvious really. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2021 13:46:11 GMT
We are but then we should have won that 2-0 just easily even with that side we had out there.
A definite peno and Souttar has to be bury that corner.
The second half was dross but I thought the first half showed how we need to play.
Norton stretched the back line and created space, the issue was that the ball ended up with Smith or Tymon, whose quality was shocking.
But that’s how we need to play.
The second half was dross. Mikel tired, Clucas tired and went off the boil and we just couldn’t keep that intensity up.
But we know that from this midfield.
You’ve just got to hope MoN does too and fucks them off.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 17, 2021 13:48:59 GMT
I think any team that starts with two players as poor as Smith and Tymon are going to struggle.
And we put them both in key positions and depend on them for attacking distribution.
Because of their lack of ability and lack of footballing brain, their instinct is to go backwards, not only that they repetitively and consistently play balls that put other player's under pressure.
Add to that, Mikel is great for 45 minutes ONLY, then not in the game, Clucas does his Mr.Invisible act again.
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Post by dudnostokie on Apr 17, 2021 13:49:36 GMT
It's all at MON's feet this, at home against a side that's on a shite run of form and can hardly score away from home and we dish up 5 at the back, it was fucking dire. Gouranga. Did we play 5 at the back? I thought it was 4-3-3? |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Apr 17, 2021 13:49:43 GMT
It might be worse than that , we may be a rotten club Luton beat Watford , Millwall got a point at Brentford ...NJ and Rowett are both doing a good job on tiny budgets They can run Luton or Millwall fine But managing Stoke is step too far Something is clearly wrong with this club They both brought it on themselves, Rowett went nuts wasting money then started on the fans, Jones tried a setup we didn't have the players for, it's pretty obvious really. Agree. And Jones wasn't the only one to set us up in a way we don't have the players for. It's been a problem with every manager since Hughes decided to move away from 4-2-3-1. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 17, 2021 13:50:18 GMT
We are but then we should have won that 2-0 just easily even with that side we had out there. A definite peno and Souttar has to be bury that corner. The second half was dross but I thought the first half showed how we need to play. Norton stretched the back line and created space, the issue was that the ball ended up with Smith or Tymon, whose quality was shocking. But that’s how we need to play. The second half was dross. Mikel tired, Clucas tired and went off the boil and we just couldn’t keep that intensity up. But we know that from this midfield. You’ve just got to hope MoN does too and fucks them off. Yes hopefully he fucks them off and gets more in like Thompson, he's all about quick pass and move 😂😉 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2021 13:51:07 GMT
It's all at MON's feet this, at home against a side that's on a shite run of form and can hardly score away from home and we dish up 5 at the back, it was fucking dire. Gouranga. Did we play 5 at the back? I thought it was 4-3-3? Definitely back 3 but RND played very wide at times. |
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 17, 2021 13:51:28 GMT
We are but then we should have won that 2-0 just easily even with that side we had out there. A definite peno and Souttar has to be bury that corner. The second half was dross but I thought the first half showed how we need to play. Norton stretched the back line and created space, the issue was that the ball ended up with Smith or Tymon, whose quality was shocking. But that’s how we need to play. The second half was dross. Mikel tired, Clucas tired and went off the boil and we just couldn’t keep that intensity up. But we know that from this midfield. You’ve just got to hope MoN does too and fucks them off. Yes hopefully he fucks them off and gets more in like Thompson, he's all about quick pass and move 😂😉 Norton would have had more chances with early balls over the top with Thompson on the pitch. Mikel, Clucas and Powell don't really do that. |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Apr 17, 2021 13:51:35 GMT
It's all at MON's feet this, at home against a side that's on a shite run of form and can hardly score away from home and we dish up 5 at the back, it was fucking dire. Gouranga. Did we play 5 at the back? I thought it was 4-3-3? Looked to me like RND was left of a back three with Tymon as a wingback. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 17, 2021 13:53:16 GMT
Yes hopefully he fucks them off and gets more in like Thompson, he's all about quick pass and move 😂😉 Norton would have had more chances with early balls over the top with Thompson on the pitch. Mikel, Clucas and Powell don't really do that. Neither does Thompson most of the time, he's risk averse just like MON, if he's the future of our midfield we're in for more games like today. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 17, 2021 13:54:08 GMT
It's all at MON's feet this, at home against a side that's on a shite run of form and can hardly score away from home and we dish up 5 at the back, it was fucking dire. Gouranga. Did we play 5 at the back? I thought it was 4-3-3? Fletch and Norton were up top together with Powell in behind, defo not a 4-3-3. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 13:56:49 GMT
We are poor and it's hard to see any light at the end of the tunnel
But I do think it's relevant that NJ is doing a good job at Luton , rowett is doing a good job at Millwall and MoN did a good job at Northern Ireland
I am not buying it that those 3 are thicko's who know nothing about football
I think there are problems with the club
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Apr 17, 2021 13:57:29 GMT
It's all at MON's feet this, at home against a side that's on a shite run of form and can hardly score away from home and we dish up 5 at the back, it was fucking dire. Gouranga. Did we play 5 at the back? I thought it was 4-3-3? Smith and Tymon were used as wing backs with RND Souttar and Chester the centre of the defence. Clucas and Mikel were the 2 defensive midfielders with Powell roaming and Norton playing behind Fletcher a bit like 5-4-1 only not as adventurous! Gouranga. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2021 13:58:41 GMT
We are poor and it's hard to see any light at the end of the tunnel But I do think it's relevant that NJ is doing a good job at Luton , rowett is doing a good job at Millwall and MoN did a good job at Northern Ireland I am not buying it that those 3 are thicko's who know nothing about football I think there are problems with the club But they showed they were. Rowett signed players that didn’t suit the system he wanted to play. That’s thick. NJ is the worst manager we’ve ever had. |
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Post by slother on Apr 17, 2021 14:02:51 GMT
First half was great. Not sure what happened second half but the game should have been over by then. We just cannot field eleven good players. Until we do, results like this will be commonplace. Priorities for me are now out wide. Smith and Tymon get into good positions but the delivery is woeful and they don't offer a goal threat themselves.
Problem is, if MON sees wingbacks as his ideal formation I think we're always going to be a bit toothless. If we play 4-4-2 with proper scary wingers then I think you need to drop Powell.
Ideally, we'd find an Andy Robertson type who can do it all from byline to byline.
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Post by thehoof on Apr 17, 2021 14:29:07 GMT
First half was great. Not sure what happened second half but the game should have been over by then. We just cannot field eleven good players. Until we do, results like this will be commonplace. Priorities for me are now out wide. Smith and Tymon get into good positions but the delivery is woeful and they don't offer a goal threat themselves. Problem is, if MON sees wingbacks as his ideal formation I think we're always going to be a bit toothless. If we play 4-4-2 with proper scary wingers then I think you need to drop Powell. Ideally, we'd find an Andy Robertson type who can do it all from byline to byline. Don’t drop Powell, drop offside man who is getting to resemble Sam Vokes more and more! |
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Post by Linx on Apr 17, 2021 14:31:35 GMT
There have been a lot of games this season when I have been relieved that I have a good excuse not to attend.
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Post by questionable on Apr 17, 2021 14:43:59 GMT
It might be worse than that , we may be a rotten club Luton beat Watford , Millwall got a point at Brentford ...NJ and Rowett are both doing a good job on tiny budgets They can run Luton or Millwall fine But managing Stoke is step too far Something is clearly wrong with this club Jones had a clear plan and sold it to the club, who after consulting the bloke from Bet 366 signed up for the disaster. What nut case employers would actually interview a bloke, fall for an absolute myth and then expect results with bog standard players, well shit players. MON is no better than Rowette and marginally better than Jones but with our clown owners we’ll never improve. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 17, 2021 14:48:47 GMT
We are poor and it's hard to see any light at the end of the tunnel But I do think it's relevant that NJ is doing a good job at Luton , rowett is doing a good job at Millwall and MoN did a good job at Northern Ireland I am not buying it that those 3 are thicko's who know nothing about football I think there are problems with the club It isn’t relevant at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 14:50:39 GMT
When MON says beforehand, 'this game will see some fresh changes' he means it in a manner that is alien to all of us. From using the plural you'd expect some serious gamechanging, uh, changes, but you can't really say that they happened or brought any sense of freshness about the game or the team.
Because in order to make structural changes you need 1) a manager who thinks out of the box 2) players who are able and willing to do something other than what they do by habit. We have neither.
He did make one change, Norton, who was among our best but was hauled off anyway.
I suppose you can say he made half a tactical change by using RND as a forwardmoving central defender, since it finally dawned upon him that when the opposition just plays with one attacker, it gives you an extra going forward option. But he forgot to tell the rest of the team that RND was going to be used this way, because they frequently didn't respond to him.
I wonder what would happen if MON - behind the scenes obviously - told Holden to shake things up and select the team and the tactics.
Won't happen of course.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 17, 2021 14:51:02 GMT
It might be worse than that , we may be a rotten club Luton beat Watford , Millwall got a point at Brentford ...NJ and Rowett are both doing a good job on tiny budgets They can run Luton or Millwall fine But managing Stoke is step too far Something is clearly wrong with this club Jones had a clear plan and sold it to the club, who after consulting the bloke from Bet 366 signed up for the disaster. What nut case employers would actually interview a bloke, fall for an absolute myth and then expect results with bog standard players, well shit players. MON is no better than Rowette and marginally better than Jones but with our clown owners we’ll never improve. The league table suggests by May Jones will have done the better job in the last 15 months |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 14:54:58 GMT
Jones had a clear plan and sold it to the club, who after consulting the bloke from Bet 366 signed up for the disaster. What nut case employers would actually interview a bloke, fall for an absolute myth and then expect results with bog standard players, well shit players. MON is no better than Rowette and marginally better than Jones but with our clown owners we’ll never improve. The league table suggests by May Jones will have done the better job in the last 15 months But he can only do it in Luton with players "buying into his methods". Ours never did, and that included players that he bought. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 17, 2021 15:02:44 GMT
If people think we are bad now, wait untill Campbell, Souttar, Collins and Powell are sold.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 17, 2021 15:58:04 GMT
I think we might be over complicating things.
We have too many technically poor footballers in the squad who have low skill levels and limited football intelligence. (Smith, Tymon, Brown)
It's whether they have the capacity to learn what they should be doing or improve.
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