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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2021 11:00:36 GMT
Where would you put Rowett’s spell? I think it was marginally better. You've got to be kidding right? Rowett is more responsible for the mess we are in than anyone including hughes, lambert and Jones. I wouldn't piss on that tosspot if he was on fire. I’m just talking in pure football terms. This season is way worse.
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Post by sheds1862 on Apr 11, 2021 11:01:14 GMT
It’s been a shit 3 years in reality. Everyone is entitled to voice their opinions but wouldn’t it be refreshing to hear some realistic ideas on how to fix it? Sack yet another manager, that’ll fix it... it might, or it might make it worse, and who would come? It’s tiresome reading the same moaning on here lacking in any feasible solutions. All again boils down to recruitment and the right fit. Sorry to repeat what has already been said a million times, Jones was a case in point, MY full backs are integral to the way we play, welcome to Stephen Ward !! The only fix to this is proper due diligence and recruitment. Yes hindsight is great, but for Ivan Toney is the new hotshot at Peterborough worth a look ? Clarke-Harris . Our recruitment has caused this mess over a 4 to 5 year regression.
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Post by a on Apr 11, 2021 11:05:45 GMT
It’s been a shit 3 years in reality. Everyone is entitled to voice their opinions but wouldn’t it be refreshing to hear some realistic ideas on how to fix it? Sack yet another manager, that’ll fix it... it might, or it might make it worse, and who would come? It’s tiresome reading the same moaning on here lacking in any feasible solutions. All again boils down to recruitment and the right fit. Sorry to repeat what has already been said a million times, Jones was a case in point, MY full backs are integral to the way we play, welcome to Stephen Ward !! The only fix to this is proper due diligence and recruitment. Yes hindsight is great, but for Ivan Toney is the new hotshot at Peterborough worth a look ? Clarke-Harris . Our recruitment has caused this mess over a 4 to 5 year regression. Agree our recruitment is a huge issue. Trying to go for out of date past it has beens has been a disaster
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Post by Same Old Git as Yesterday on Apr 11, 2021 11:08:24 GMT
Back to the original topic - watched the stream last season. Couldn't be bothered and now listen to the commentary intermittently. So apathy rules. But I'll be front of the queue for a ticket when we're allowed back in and the old enthusiasm and passion will come flooding back.
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Post by a on Apr 11, 2021 11:09:10 GMT
It’s been a shit 3 years in reality. Everyone is entitled to voice their opinions but wouldn’t it be refreshing to hear some realistic ideas on how to fix it? Sack yet another manager, that’ll fix it... it might, or it might make it worse, and who would come? It’s tiresome reading the same moaning on here lacking in any feasible solutions. We’ve had realistic ideas since before we were relegated. Indeed upon relegation a complete root and branch overhaul from Scholes was wanted by most. It was realistic and definitely needed. The issues remain the same. Don’t blame fans for woeful management from the clubs owners. Realistic ideas in the main have been with hindsight. You’ll see most people were more than happy with every manager we’ve had, and almost all signings were happily received (bar a couple admittedly). I agree root and branch changes should’ve come but it’s perhaps not as easy to achieve as we’d like to think. I’m not blaming fans, I just think it’s easy to sit here in hindsight and demand changes without thinking of who, manager and player wise, bearing in mind FFP, who will buy our inflated squad and who would manage us.
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Post by a on Apr 11, 2021 11:10:05 GMT
Back to the original topic - watched the stream last season. Couldn't be bothered and now listen to the commentary intermittently. So apathy rules. But I'll be front of the queue for a ticket when we're allowed back in and the old enthusiasm and passion will come flooding back. Where did we go off topic? Talking about the issues at the club which have lead to apathy. Sounds very on topic to me
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2021 11:12:02 GMT
We’ve had realistic ideas since before we were relegated. Indeed upon relegation a complete root and branch overhaul from Scholes was wanted by most. It was realistic and definitely needed. The issues remain the same. Don’t blame fans for woeful management from the clubs owners. Realistic ideas in the main have been with hindsight. You’ll see most people were more than happy with every manager we’ve had, and almost all signings were happily received (bar a couple admittedly). I agree root and branch changes should’ve come but it’s perhaps not as easy to achieve as we’d like to think. I’m not blaming fans, I just think it’s easy to sit here in hindsight and demand changes without thinking of who, manager and player wise, bearing in mind FFP, who will buy our inflated squad and who would manage us. I can assure you the only bit of hindsight I’ve had in this time is that I think we would have stayed if we kept Hughes. But he should haven been sacked 8 months before. The 8 months bit wasn’t hindsight. Most people agreed we needed it. It was really quite clear we did. We still essentially have the same structure now. Manager appointed by the board. Recruitment lead appointed by the manager. Sheer madness.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Apr 11, 2021 11:15:12 GMT
It started many months ago for some, it seems some are just catching up now.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 11, 2021 11:15:35 GMT
You've got to be kidding right? Rowett is more responsible for the mess we are in than anyone including hughes, lambert and Jones. I wouldn't piss on that tosspot if he was on fire. I’m just talking in pure football terms. This season is way worse. I can't agree with that. Sorry. Bolton away was several levels worse than the shit that was on show yesterday.
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Post by a on Apr 11, 2021 11:17:14 GMT
Realistic ideas in the main have been with hindsight. You’ll see most people were more than happy with every manager we’ve had, and almost all signings were happily received (bar a couple admittedly). I agree root and branch changes should’ve come but it’s perhaps not as easy to achieve as we’d like to think. I’m not blaming fans, I just think it’s easy to sit here in hindsight and demand changes without thinking of who, manager and player wise, bearing in mind FFP, who will buy our inflated squad and who would manage us. I can assure you the only bit of hindsight I’ve had in this time is that I think we would have stayed if we kept Hughes. But he should haven been sacked 8 months before. The 8 months bit wasn’t hindsight. Most people agreed we needed it. It was really quite clear we did. We still essentially have the same structure now. Manager appointed by the board. Recruitment lead appointed by the manager. Sheer madness. I’m not talking specifically about you. Also didn’t Cartwright sort of lead player recruitment before? I’d get rid of scholes and also employ a director of football that knows the game and try to replicate wolves in essence. I’m not an apologist or saying I’m happy with the current situation but I think we all need some perspective with regards to who we bring in and how we get rid of the shit (or alternatively get some to buy in, we’ve done good players out on loan, meaning less to try to shift at another loss)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2021 11:20:11 GMT
I can assure you the only bit of hindsight I’ve had in this time is that I think we would have stayed if we kept Hughes. But he should haven been sacked 8 months before. The 8 months bit wasn’t hindsight. Most people agreed we needed it. It was really quite clear we did. We still essentially have the same structure now. Manager appointed by the board. Recruitment lead appointed by the manager. Sheer madness. I’m not talking specifically about you. Also didn’t Cartwright sort of lead player recruitment before? I’d get rid of scholes and also employ a director of football that knows the game and try to replicate wolves in essence. I’m not an apologist or saying I’m happy with the current situation but I think we all need some perspective with regards to who we bring in and how we get rid of the shit (or alternatively get some to buy in, we’ve done good players out on loan, meaning less to try to shift at another loss) He did but he was appointed by Hughes. It should be a club appointment. It’s a bad situation I agree and one I wouldn’t trust the owners to sort. But it shouldn’t take away from how bad MON has been this season.
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Post by questionable on Apr 11, 2021 11:27:57 GMT
I can remember when my whole weekend was wrecked if we lost, now I couldn’t give a shit, watching a stream or listening to Nigel Johnson bumbling through 90 minutes is even hard for me to spend time doing.
Regardless of the absolute shit show MON has bungled together when I see the faces of Scholes and the idiot son my justifications seem spot on.
It’s a football club in name only and run appallingly, in a nut shell why should I care as they certainly don’t, CEO on £1,000,000 plus and we can’t extend Powell’s contract, it’s so wrong.
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Post by Northy on Apr 11, 2021 11:55:08 GMT
I watched the Wellington Phoenix v Western United match this morning, what a cracking game, no prima Donna wannabe superstars, no rehearsed goal celebration routines, no injury feigning, no diving, just good honest football, end to end at times, finished 3-2 with a 90th minute winner, better viewing than just about anything Stoke have produced this season
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 12:01:01 GMT
After more than 55 years supporting the club I can't be bothered to even watch the match day streams or listen to Nige now. We have endured complete and utter tripe for several seasons, and the "management" and "direction" of the club by the Board has been absolutely shocking, and even more so since Junior took over the reins.
We have seen a steady stream of managers come and go until we are now witnessing what seems like further regression with a bunch of useless wasters on the pitch, and a manager who is out of his depth who appears stuck for ideas how to change things. We are burdened with a load of players out on loan who nobody wants to buy, and with a load of players currently at the club who seemingly don't give a damn but who are happy to pick up their salary. We are hamstrung by FFP, will struggle to shift the deadwood, and will struggle to sign anyone any better to replace them.
A very sorry situation that the club finds itself in, completely avoidable, but as with relegation the Board have sleepwalked our way into the situation, and appear to have no answer to how we get out of it. The promised root and branch clear out after relegation didn't really materialise and the main characters in our demise are still in position, and as long as that remains the case then the club won't be able to reinvent itself.
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Post by somersetstokie on Apr 11, 2021 12:05:54 GMT
I think that the correct descriptive word here is "connection", and it just isn't there. I still look most days to see if there is any significant news or rumour circulating regarding Stoke, and anything mentioned is either low key stuff about FFP, another player injury, or baffled criticism from fans about negativity. This season I just haven't felt connected to anything going on around the club, as if I'm watching a pale imitation of Stoke City just going through the motions.
We certainly need a spark of life and injection of energy. Perhaps a further addition to the squad of a few more young prospects may help raise our game.
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Post by march4 on Apr 11, 2021 12:10:18 GMT
I don’t think apathy is setting in.
It is anger that is setting in.
It’s a good job crowds aren’t allowed as MON would find an extra pressure on his shoulders.
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 11, 2021 12:16:13 GMT
I’ve not watched the past 10 matches, but I’ll be there when turnstiles reopen. Gloryhunter 🤩
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 11, 2021 12:17:48 GMT
After more than 55 years supporting the club I can't be bothered to even watch the match day streams or listen to Nige now. We have endured complete and utter tripe for several seasons, and the "management" and "direction" of the club by the Board has been absolutely shocking, and even more so since Junior took over the reins. We have seen a steady stream of managers come and go until we are now witnessing what seems like further regression with a bunch of useless wasters on the pitch, and a manager who is out of his depth who appears stuck for ideas how to change things. We are burdened with a load of players out on loan who nobody wants to buy, and with a load of players currently at the club who seemingly don't give a damn but who are happy to pick up their salary. We are hamstrung by FFP, will struggle to shift the deadwood, and will struggle to sign anyone any better to replace them. A very sorry situation that the club finds itself in, completely avoidable, but as with relegation the Board have sleepwalked our way into the situation, and appear to have no answer to how we get out of it. The promised root and branch clear out after relegation didn't really materialise and the main characters in our demise are still in position, and as long as that remains the case then the club won't be able to reinvent itself. Spot on
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Post by sd22 on Apr 11, 2021 12:22:47 GMT
I’ve not watched the past 10 matches, but I’ll be there when turnstiles reopen. Gloryhunter 🤩 Venting at home just isnt the same!
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Post by thehoof on Apr 11, 2021 12:25:48 GMT
I’m just talking in pure football terms. This season is way worse. I can't agree with that. Sorry. Bolton away was several levels worse than the shit that was on show yesterday. Yes, I think Bolton was a really poor excuse for football-playing with fear and dread against a team already doomed and then calling ou the fans for pointing out that the football was indeed shit. MO’n is now starting to make similarly daft comments ( he’s gone into Arsene mode) while the football is becoming very like the Bolton fiasco.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2021 12:28:22 GMT
I honestly can’t remember Bolton. But tbf I didn’t watch the away games then so I am judging apples with oranges a bit tbf.
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Post by somersetstokie on Apr 11, 2021 13:28:36 GMT
Maybe we need the invigoration of some active militant protesting on the City Streets.
STOKE LIVES MATTER.
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Post by jebbstuart on Apr 11, 2021 13:41:07 GMT
just popped in the first time this year and to honest i have drifted off the path someway now. Because know have not been for a year i have no real interest i find out results in the next days paper, don't look at the league table and have found other things to do now. will i go back to the ground, will go and see if i can rediscover the spark and go from there. A lot of water has passed under the bridge now, football in general seems less important and ever growing away from when i started going in the 1980's.
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Post by questionable on Apr 11, 2021 13:45:34 GMT
Realistic ideas in the main have been with hindsight. You’ll see most people were more than happy with every manager we’ve had, and almost all signings were happily received (bar a couple admittedly). I agree root and branch changes should’ve come but it’s perhaps not as easy to achieve as we’d like to think. I’m not blaming fans, I just think it’s easy to sit here in hindsight and demand changes without thinking of who, manager and player wise, bearing in mind FFP, who will buy our inflated squad and who would manage us. I can assure you the only bit of hindsight I’ve had in this time is that I think we would have stayed if we kept Hughes. But he should haven been sacked 8 months before. The 8 months bit wasn’t hindsight. Most people agreed we needed it. It was really quite clear we did. We still essentially have the same structure now. Manager appointed by the board. Recruitment lead appointed by the manager. Sheer madness. Slight adjustment required Bayern, managers are appointed by some bloke who knows Jon Coates, who’s crap at his job. Care to adjust your post please.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 11, 2021 14:00:02 GMT
After more than 55 years supporting the club I can't be bothered to even watch the match day streams or listen to Nige now. We have endured complete and utter tripe for several seasons, and the "management" and "direction" of the club by the Board has been absolutely shocking, and even more so since Junior took over the reins. We have seen a steady stream of managers come and go until we are now witnessing what seems like further regression with a bunch of useless wasters on the pitch, and a manager who is out of his depth who appears stuck for ideas how to change things. We are burdened with a load of players out on loan who nobody wants to buy, and with a load of players currently at the club who seemingly don't give a damn but who are happy to pick up their salary. We are hamstrung by FFP, will struggle to shift the deadwood, and will struggle to sign anyone any better to replace them. A very sorry situation that the club finds itself in, completely avoidable, but as with relegation the Board have sleepwalked our way into the situation, and appear to have no answer to how we get out of it. The promised root and branch clear out after relegation didn't really materialise and the main characters in our demise are still in position, and as long as that remains the case then the club won't be able to reinvent itself. Absolutely spot on the clowns are running the Circus, business men ! well run club my arse.
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Post by neckender78 on Apr 11, 2021 15:08:23 GMT
Where would you put Rowett’s spell? I think it was marginally better. You've got to be kidding right? Rowett is more responsible for the mess we are in than anyone including hughes, lambert and Jones. I wouldn't piss on that tosspot if he was on fire. Spot on The last 5 years have been an absolute shit show from management at board level to the playing staff and personnel. Said it many times but the single biggest reason for the mess at the point we are at now and will be suffering for the next 12 months was Rowetts little reign. We should have had been well set for an instant return with our warchest yet this clown decided he wanted to play 443 and demanded his front 3 to provide the creativity and goals to power us back up at a cost of 30m plus and fuck knows what in wages and contract lengths we're to be Afobe, Spineless Ince and that wanker McLean. It really beggars belief
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Apr 11, 2021 16:51:14 GMT
We'll find out when season tickets go on sale. I'll renew because I need my Saturdays away from the Mrs. But it's far from enjoyable.
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Post by somersetstokie on Apr 11, 2021 16:57:20 GMT
I can assure you the only bit of hindsight I’ve had in this time is that I think we would have stayed if we kept Hughes. But he should haven been sacked 8 months before. The 8 months bit wasn’t hindsight. Most people agreed we needed it. It was really quite clear we did. We still essentially have the same structure now. Manager appointed by the board. Recruitment lead appointed by the manager. Sheer madness. Slight adjustment required Bayern, managers are appointed by some bloke who knows Jon Coates, who’s crap at his job. Care to adjust your post please. Now that Pubs are starting to reopen again it's good that Jon will be able to get out and about again and possibly get some tips, advice and recommendations on recruiting our next Manager.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 11, 2021 17:11:49 GMT
It's the lack of goals and entertainment compared to the second half of last season. We've only managed to score more than one goal in four of our last 28 league games (3-3 vs Rotherham, 3-0 vs Luton, 2-0 vs Wycombe and 2-0 vs Bristol City). It's not the worst team or season on record as some have claimed but it's right up there with the Pulis binary season, Nathan Jones' first five months and Joe Jordan when it comes to draining the life out of you. The defence has improved massively (46 conceded compared to 68 last year) but we look nowhere near as prolific (45 compared to 62 last year - unless we get a late flurry in the last five games). It's blatantly obvious what needs to be fixed over the summer. We’ve been a team that has not scored enough goals for a long long time. 10 seasons in the Prem we never broke the 50 goal mark in 38 games. Free scoring teams are the ones who tend to win promotions and trophies etc George Graham’s Arsenal were probably the last Uber defensive team to gain success on a regular basis. Yes Pulis fluked promotion one time but defence oriented football isn’t by and large successful in modern football so why are we going against the grain. Free flowing, high scoring football is most likely to bring success and if it doesn’t at least we can enjoy the ride.
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Post by questionable on Apr 11, 2021 17:16:36 GMT
Slight adjustment required Bayern, managers are appointed by some bloke who knows Jon Coates, who’s crap at his job. Care to adjust your post please. Now that Pubs are starting to reopen again it's good that Jon will be able to get out and about again and possibly get some tips, advice and recommendations on recruiting our next Manager. I’ve seen him a few times near to us, if required I’ll have few and I’ll give him my advice FOC, I honestly couldn’t do any worse.
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