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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 10, 2021 11:21:48 GMT
Cousins, don't think he will get another contract, but I think we should keep him. Wimmer, both him and us want him out, but can it be done? Due to FFP, only if we get decent money for one of our big prospects like Souttar I'm afraid!  Bauer, I think we still will need to get £1M+ to get rid due to FFP. Could be possible if we sell one of our assets though! Badou, could we hope they would keep him? Still a good player there worth decent money I'd say! Etebo, think we need to recoup around £1.5M due to FFP. This should really be possible! Ince, think we will have to keep him for another year. Better player than some of the players we use now in my opinion, self confidence problem here! Lindsay, hopefully we will get the £7-8K needed to get rid. Woods, seems like Rowett wants him, but only possible if we sell one of our assets! Afobe, afraid we're stuck with him for another season! Gregory, not the worst sub to have on the bench, but hopefully we can get rid. Vokes, think we're stuck with him for another season! Tymon, not good enough and we should get rid. Brown, same as Tymon, but think MON will keep him. Clucas, another player whose contribution isn't important enough any longer. We'll need to recoup £1.5M due to FFP as well. If only we could get rid of half of them permanently it would make a bit of space for 3-4 new signins to take us forward. I guess the only way is if we can get £15M+ for Souttar or Collins, but I really don't want to sell any of these two, but can we afford not to due to FFP!?  |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 10, 2021 11:23:33 GMT
Allen would be a big one given the wages he must be on.
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Post by medwaypotter on Apr 10, 2021 11:27:01 GMT
Lindsay £7 or 8k ? WTF
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Post by kustokie on Apr 10, 2021 11:29:21 GMT
You can’t look at this in terms of the net gain/loss of any individual player. It has to be looked at in terms of how much income we can received in total from sale of all the players and the savings in wages minus the expenses associated with signing new players and all the expenses that go along with them. The money spent is already booked. The only important is how much of that we can recoup to balance the books.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2021 11:31:41 GMT
I guess it will depend on how much of the fees we’ve written off the books for certain players won’t it?
If that number is low enough then we could have a bigger exodus than expected?
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Post by lordb on Apr 10, 2021 11:33:05 GMT
I guess it will depend on how much of the fees we’ve written off the books for certain players won’t it? If that number is low enough then we could have a bigger exodus than expected? Gut feeling is we will see more bomb squad leave , permanently,next January than this summer |
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Post by silverdollar on Apr 10, 2021 11:35:47 GMT
Allen would be a big one given the wages he must be on. We will not be trying to get rid of Allen. He will be made club Captain! He major asset in the squad! Have you ever thought of going? |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 10, 2021 11:39:54 GMT
Allen would be a big one given the wages he must be on. We will not be trying to get rid of Allen. He will be made club Captain! He major asset in the squad! Have you ever thought of going? He’s out for the season (again), the wrong side of 30 and he’s rubbish. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 11:42:52 GMT
I guess the only way is if we can get £15M+ for Souttar or Collins, but I really don't want to sell any of these two, but can we afford not to due to FFP!? You're not listening to the advanced jungle drums played by Jon Coates at the last meeting. The board has no intention of selling the club's best players, which those two have become over the course of the season. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 10, 2021 11:43:34 GMT
Allen would be a big one given the wages he must be on. We will not be trying to get rid of Allen. He will be made club Captain! He major asset in the squad! Have you ever thought of going? We won't but we should, why should he be club captain, he's done absolutely nothing to deserve it. He's a decent back up in the squad but we don't miss him when he's out so he'd be no big loss. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 10, 2021 11:58:47 GMT
£700 000-800 000  |
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 10, 2021 12:04:28 GMT
I guess the only way is if we can get £15M+ for Souttar or Collins, but I really don't want to sell any of these two, but can we afford not to due to FFP!? You're not listening to the advanced jungle drums played by Jon Coates at the last meeting. The board has no intention of selling the club's best players, which those two have become over the course of the season. ..but I think it's the only way to get rid of players like Wimmer, Bauer, Afobe, Ince, Vokes, Clucas and Vokes due to FFP! If not this will be holding us back for another season. Let's say Palace or Wolves come in with a bid of £15M for Souttar and this gives us the chance to get rid of most of the dead wood, can we really afford to say no? I really want to keep Souttar, but I really can't see us say no to such an opportunity when it comes to the dead wood!  |
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Post by Gods on Apr 10, 2021 12:05:29 GMT
Aren't wages the issue not transfer fees?
No one will match the pay of Wimmer, Etebo, Badou etc. since they wildly over paid.
So unless they are keen on a pay cut they will just 'sit' to contract end.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 10, 2021 12:22:52 GMT
Aren't wages the issue not transfer fees? No one will match the pay of Wimmer, Etebo, Badou etc. since they wildly over paid. So unless they are keen on a pay cut they will just 'sit' to contract end. I suppose we could always pay some of them off, galling as that may sound when you think of their contributions. Another factor maybe if those players over 30 get offered deals elsewhere on less money but on longer contracts. Say for example, McClean has a year left on 25k a week, but finds a club over the summer who will give him 3 years on 10-15k a week plus a decent signing on fee. The security of a longer contract which would take him into his mid 30’s might be tempting. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Apr 10, 2021 12:45:45 GMT
Including the Chief Executive?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 13:59:34 GMT
You're not listening to the advanced jungle drums played by Jon Coates at the last meeting. The board has no intention of selling the club's best players, which those two have become over the course of the season. ..but I think it's the only way to get rid of players like Wimmer, Bauer, Afobe, Ince, Vokes, Clucas and Vokes due to FFP! If not this will be holding us back for another season. Let's say Palace or Wolves come in with a bid of £15M for Souttar and this gives us the chance to get rid of most of the dead wood, can we really afford to say no? I really want to keep Souttar, but I really can't see us say no to such an opportunity when it comes to the dead wood! We have actually managed to end some contracts before time, allegedly without pay offs. We sacked Berahino and Imbula was persuaded he stood a better chance of finding a new club without us. It didn't actually turn out that way, but that's not our problem. I think we could lose at least one player this year. While Wimmer hasn't offered to buy his freedom, his recent batch of interviews has opened up for a possible solution with everyone saving a wee bit of face. |
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Post by Clem Fandango on Apr 10, 2021 14:01:51 GMT
Allen would be a big one given the wages he must be on. Sadly given his new injury you'd think there's very little chance of us getting rid anytime soon. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2021 14:38:41 GMT
Aren't wages the issue not transfer fees? No one will match the pay of Wimmer, Etebo, Badou etc. since they wildly over paid. So unless they are keen on a pay cut they will just 'sit' to contract end. Yes and no. We can’t take a hit with the fee for ffp. But if we can get rid of someone on a free because their book value is 0 then we could deal on the wages couldn’t we? Even if we pay half it’s half we won’t pay. But needs the book value to be low. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 10, 2021 16:10:54 GMT
..but I think it's the only way to get rid of players like Wimmer, Bauer, Afobe, Ince, Vokes, Clucas and Vokes due to FFP! If not this will be holding us back for another season. Let's say Palace or Wolves come in with a bid of £15M for Souttar and this gives us the chance to get rid of most of the dead wood, can we really afford to say no? I really want to keep Souttar, but I really can't see us say no to such an opportunity when it comes to the dead wood! We have actually managed to end some contracts before time, allegedly without pay offs. We sacked Berahino and Imbula was persuaded he stood a better chance of finding a new club without us. It didn't actually turn out that way, but that's not our problem. I think we could lose at least one player this year. While Wimmer hasn't offered to buy his freedom, his recent batch of interviews has opened up for a possible solution with everyone saving a wee bit of face. We can't give him away due to FFP and nobody will pay £3M for this player as things stand. In there lies the problem! |
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Post by march4 on Apr 10, 2021 16:11:29 GMT
I’d start with Scholes.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 10, 2021 16:13:52 GMT
Including the Chief Executive? and the manager? |
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Post by bingbang on Apr 10, 2021 16:14:15 GMT
The effin lot, including manager, coaches, Scholes, pottermus, and most of all the dick with the Mike, Welcome your Mighty, Mighty Potters. Just go the lot of you.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Apr 10, 2021 16:17:49 GMT
The effin lot, including manager, coaches, Scholes, pottermus, and most of all the dick with the Mike, Welcome your Mighty, Mighty Potters. Just go the lot of you. Now steady on!!!! The hippo uses his heading techniques for first team training you know   |
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Post by jeycov on Apr 10, 2021 16:19:39 GMT
Take the FFP hit if it means retaining all our best prospects????
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Post by zigazaga on Apr 10, 2021 16:20:30 GMT
Cousins, don't think he will get another contract, but I think we should keep him. Wimmer, both him and us want him out, but can it be done? Due to FFP, only if we get decent money for one of our big prospects like Souttar I'm afraid! Bauer, I think we still will need to get £1M+ to get rid due to FFP. Could be possible if we sell one of our assets though! Badou, could we hope they would keep him? Still a good player there worth decent money I'd say! Etebo, think we need to recoup around £1.5M due to FFP. This should really be possible! Ince, think we will have to keep him for another year. Better player than some of the players we use now in my opinion, self confidence problem here! Lindsay, hopefully we will get the £7-8K needed to get rid. Woods, seems like Rowett wants him, but only possible if we sell one of our assets! Afobe, afraid we're stuck with him for another season! Gregory, not the worst sub to have on the bench, but hopefully we can get rid. Vokes, think we're stuck with him for another season! Tymon, not good enough and we should get rid. Brown, same as Tymon, but think MON will keep him. Clucas, another player whose contribution isn't important enough any longer. We'll need to recoup £1.5M due to FFP as well. If only we could get rid of half of them permanently it would make a bit of space for 3-4 new signings to take us forward. I guess the only way is if we can get £15M+ for Souttar or Collins, but I really don't want to sell any of these two, but can we afford not to due to FFP!? WOW looking at that list it really drives it home that our recruitment over recent years has been an absolute and utter car crash. Millions upon millions spent but nobody wants them cause they are all complete and utter shithouses. Seriously how is Scholes still in a job? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 16:24:58 GMT
We have actually managed to end some contracts before time, allegedly without pay offs. We sacked Berahino and Imbula was persuaded he stood a better chance of finding a new club without us. It didn't actually turn out that way, but that's not our problem. I think we could lose at least one player this year. While Wimmer hasn't offered to buy his freedom, his recent batch of interviews has opened up for a possible solution with everyone saving a wee bit of face. We can't give him away due to FFP and nobody will pay £3M for this player as things stand. In there lies the problem! I didn't say give away. Reach an understanding with die Karlsruher that's half loan half fee and he has to accept a drop in his wages. If not he can forget about getting his way. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 10, 2021 16:30:06 GMT
We can't give him away due to FFP and nobody will pay £3M for this player as things stand. In there lies the problem! I didn't say give away. Reach an understanding with die Karlsruher that's half loan half fee and he has to accept a drop in his wages. If not he can forget about getting his way. I certainly think we could agree something when it comes to wages, but I really can't see Karlsruhe pay us anything close to £3M! He has not exactly been a regular for them either so far, and the second tier in Germany is really different to England when it comes to finances too. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 16:38:40 GMT
I didn't say give away. Reach an understanding with die Karlsruher that's half loan half fee and he has to accept a drop in his wages. If not he can forget about getting his way. I certainly think we could agree something when it comes to wages, but I really can't see Karlsruhe pay us anything close to £3M! He has not exactly been a regular for them either so far, and the second tier in Germany is really different to England when it comes to finances too. I didn't say they would pay £3M just like that - though they're not as poor as you're making them out to be. Spread the fee over several seasons. Then Wimmer will be their problem. I guarantee that. Once a bad egg, always a bad egg. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 10, 2021 16:50:03 GMT
I certainly think we could agree something when it comes to wages, but I really can't see Karlsruhe pay us anything close to £3M! He has not exactly been a regular for them either so far, and the second tier in Germany is really different to England when it comes to finances too. I didn't say they would pay £3M just like that - though they're not as poor as you're making them out to be. Spread the fee over several seasons. Then Wimmer will be their problem. I guarantee that. Once a bad egg, always a bad egg. What club in the world would pay £3M for this player even if it's spread over several years, get real! |
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Post by prudhoe on Apr 10, 2021 16:52:25 GMT
What am i missing here? Didn't i read quite recently that FFP is being fucked off. If thats true. Why do we need to worry about it?
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