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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 25, 2021 13:28:39 GMT
It would be interesting to know how much the teachers were truly aware of. You have to remember, teachers are seen as cartoon villains and are rarely where kids go to talk about things. There's also the possibility that those teachers who did take their concerns further, albeit from hearsay alone, were blocked at the first hurdle by social services and the police. On that point, social services? Shameful. Utterly shameful. Perhaps the only other organisation that could do with their funding cutting as punishment for their repeated failures which continue to this day. To call these poor girls prostitutes, at 15, is one of our darkest episodes in history. To then throw the sexual health clinic under the bus by suggesting they weren't aware when 181 referrals were made to police and social services. Shameful. Local community leaders and by that, do you mean the local Imams? Sounds like they just turned and looked the other way... Pure and simple. From wiki. Ann Cryer, Labour MP for Keighley, recalled in a BBC documentary filmed in 2012 that she had worked with the families of the victims involved, and had been "round at the police station virtually every week" and was "begging" both the police and social services to do something. Cryer said, "Neither the police nor social services would touch those cases. I think it was because they were afraid of being called racist."[30] Cryer had attempted to reach the Muslim community and persuade it to take action: "I went to a friend of mine, who was a local councillor and happened to be a Muslim and therefore able to represent me to the elders, because I thought it was a good move to try to get those elders involved. I hoped that I would be able to persuade the elders to go knocking on doors and say 'this behaviour is un-Islamic and I want it to stop because I'm going to tell the whole community about you and what you’re doing if you don’t'. Now they weren’t prepared to do that".en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ringMustafa, DV8 raise some awareness about similar issues very well in my opinion. The whole of their" script" is verbatim by those portrayed. Watch "DV8 Physical Theatre | Can We Talk About This? : Ann Cryer" on YouTube
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Post by felonious on Apr 25, 2021 18:24:10 GMT
From wiki. Ann Cryer, Labour MP for Keighley, recalled in a BBC documentary filmed in 2012 that she had worked with the families of the victims involved, and had been "round at the police station virtually every week" and was "begging" both the police and social services to do something. Cryer said, "Neither the police nor social services would touch those cases. I think it was because they were afraid of being called racist."[30] Cryer had attempted to reach the Muslim community and persuade it to take action: "I went to a friend of mine, who was a local councillor and happened to be a Muslim and therefore able to represent me to the elders, because I thought it was a good move to try to get those elders involved. I hoped that I would be able to persuade the elders to go knocking on doors and say 'this behaviour is un-Islamic and I want it to stop because I'm going to tell the whole community about you and what you’re doing if you don’t'. Now they weren’t prepared to do that".en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ringMustafa, DV8 raise some awareness about similar issues very well in my opinion. The whole of their" script" is verbatim by those portrayed. Watch "DV8 Physical Theatre | Can We Talk About This? : Ann Cryer" on YouTube It's quite thought provoking Bartholomew. It would be nice to have a conversation in this country on all religion.
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Post by hoffgreen on May 12, 2021 19:18:39 GMT
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Post by woodstein on May 12, 2021 20:23:55 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on May 12, 2021 21:54:01 GMT
Wonder how many will escape a custodial sentence, because we are afraid to uphold the law.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 13, 2021 6:16:40 GMT
Wonder how many will escape a custodial sentence, because we are afraid to uphold the law. Deport the lot of them , it’s just the tip of the iceberg
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Post by crapslinger on May 13, 2021 8:28:20 GMT
Why has it taken 11 years to bring these filthy paedos to court ? I would bet my house that all these perverts are of Pakistani heritage, why is there no uproar from women's groups etc. , where are the protests about this national disgrace why are our authorities not protecting vulnerable white children from these racist Muslim Pakistani perverts ?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 13, 2021 11:40:18 GMT
Why has it taken 11 years to bring these filthy paedos to court ? I would bet my house that all these perverts are of Pakistani heritage, why is there no uproar from women's groups etc. , where are the protests about this national disgrace why are our authorities not protecting vulnerable white children from these racist Muslim Pakistani perverts ? When you wrote to the police, did you get a reply?
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Post by crapslinger on May 13, 2021 12:43:10 GMT
Why has it taken 11 years to bring these filthy paedos to court ? I would bet my house that all these perverts are of Pakistani heritage, why is there no uproar from women's groups etc. , where are the protests about this national disgrace why are our authorities not protecting vulnerable white children from these racist Muslim Pakistani perverts ? When you wrote to the police, did you get a reply? Surprisingly no must have got lost with the evidence they mislay when it suits
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 13, 2021 13:55:16 GMT
The extract below is taken from a Home Office report (December 2020) 'Group-based child sexual exploitation - characteristics of offending' Available to download. I guess the attachment is too small to read however certain posters may wish to be pointed towards the following sentence in the paragraph - 'Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly white.'View AttachmentIt's totally abhorrent what has happened to these poor children. The perpetrators should be shot. However, to continually mention the Pakistani gangs on here to perpetuate the anti-Muslim agenda/rhetoric isn't right. But that doesn’t tell the whole story Orbs. Rochdale population is 5.5% Pakistani with 78.6% being white. So it’s a fair bet that CSE offenders are commonly white.
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Post by vokeswagen on May 13, 2021 14:09:55 GMT
Why has it taken 11 years to bring these filthy paedos to court ? I would bet my house that all these perverts are of Pakistani heritage, why is there no uproar from women's groups etc. , where are the protests about this national disgrace why are our authorities not protecting vulnerable white children from these racist Muslim Pakistani perverts ? Why don’t you organise a protest if you feel so strongly about it, fella? Alternatively stop moaning like a baby that other people aren’t exercising their independent right to protest in a fashion that does all the hard work for you. While you sit on your fat arse complaining to fans of an entirely unrelated football team about your grievances...
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Post by phileetin on May 13, 2021 15:03:52 GMT
i was told there are establishments in Leek where persons of similar ilk are practising their religious rights.
i used to work with a well off youth whose father was a doctor , his family owned a sizeable chunk of bangladesh . i got on with him quite well , he styled himself on michael jackson billy jean look. his attitude was he'd sh*g as many white girls as he could in his late teens early twenties and then he'd have an arranged marriage to some imported virgin later. apparently their are interpretations of the koran that promote the behaviour referred to albeit taken out of context by extreme preachers.
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Post by Northy on May 13, 2021 15:17:09 GMT
A couple of Butt's in there, any relation to Nicky Butt do you think ?
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Post by Orbs on May 13, 2021 15:34:19 GMT
The extract below is taken from a Home Office report (December 2020) 'Group-based child sexual exploitation - characteristics of offending' Available to download. I guess the attachment is too small to read however certain posters may wish to be pointed towards the following sentence in the paragraph - 'Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly white.'View AttachmentIt's totally abhorrent what has happened to these poor children. The perpetrators should be shot. However, to continually mention the Pakistani gangs on here to perpetuate the anti-Muslim agenda/rhetoric isn't right. But that doesn’t tell the whole story Orbs. Rochdale population is 5.5% Pakistani with 78.6% being white. So it’s a fair bet that CSE offenders are commonly white. Absolutely agree. The point I was making is that we only seem to get threads about the Muslim gangs on here. I'm just trying to re-address the balance and prevent this 'anti-Muslim/anti-brown skinned' rhetoric that some posters revel in perpetuating. Like I've said numerous times, I'm not defending them in the slightest, they're all scum who should be shot and I'd quite happily pull the trigger myself. They aren't all Muslims though (as the home office report explains) The report paints the picture nationally and not just in Rochdale - hence the relevance of the sentence I've highlighted. Case in point: Slightly different but where is the thread about this? uk.yahoo.com/news/crime-four-men-jailed-rape-woman-nightclub-081313046.htmlNo doubt if their names were Ali/Butt etc the usual racists would be frothing at the mouth desperate to draw our attention to it.
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Post by felonious on May 13, 2021 16:15:31 GMT
But that doesn’t tell the whole story Orbs. Rochdale population is 5.5% Pakistani with 78.6% being white. So it’s a fair bet that CSE offenders are commonly white. Absolutely agree. The point I was making is that we only seem to get threads about the Muslim gangs on here. I'm just trying to re-address the balance and prevent this 'anti-Muslim/anti-brown skinned' rhetoric that some posters revel in perpetuating. Like I've said numerous times, I'm not defending them in the slightest, they're all scum who should be shot and I'd quite happily pull the trigger myself. They aren't all Muslims though (as the home office report explains) The report paints the picture nationally and not just in Rochdale - hence the relevance of the sentence I've highlighted. Case in point: Slightly different but where is the thread about this? uk.yahoo.com/news/crime-four-men-jailed-rape-woman-nightclub-081313046.htmlNo doubt if their names were Ali/Butt etc the usual racists would be frothing at the mouth desperate to draw our attention to it. We don't only get Muslim gang threads on here there have been threads about the perverts in the Catholic Church and the Church of England I know because I've put them on here myself. What we don't get on those threads is "Yes but there's Muslim paedophiles as well" There is an issue when an article about 29 offenders is buried in the Yorkshire BBC section because it's no longer significant to make the BBC main news section. If the pattern follows on from the norm then the offenders are as identified and the victims won't be from the same community.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 13, 2021 16:26:15 GMT
Absolutely agree. The point I was making is that we only seem to get threads about the Muslim gangs on here. I'm just trying to re-address the balance and prevent this 'anti-Muslim/anti-brown skinned' rhetoric that some posters revel in perpetuating. Like I've said numerous times, I'm not defending them in the slightest, they're all scum who should be shot and I'd quite happily pull the trigger myself. They aren't all Muslims though (as the home office report explains) The report paints the picture nationally and not just in Rochdale - hence the relevance of the sentence I've highlighted. Case in point: Slightly different but where is the thread about this? uk.yahoo.com/news/crime-four-men-jailed-rape-woman-nightclub-081313046.htmlNo doubt if their names were Ali/Butt etc the usual racists would be frothing at the mouth desperate to draw our attention to it. We don't only get Muslim gang threads on here there have been threads about the perverts in the Catholic Church and the Church of England I know because I've put them on here myself. What we don't get on those threads is "Yes but there's Muslim paedophiles as well" There is an issue when an article about 29 offenders is buried in the Yorkshire BBC section because it's no longer significant to make the BBC main news section. If the pattern follows on from the norm then the offenders are as identified and the victims won't be from the same community. Think it’s because they don’t want to be labelled racists , they still haven’t deported that lot from Rochdale yet , out of prison living amongst good ppl instead of been put up against a wall and shot
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Post by Orbs on May 13, 2021 16:28:46 GMT
Absolutely agree. The point I was making is that we only seem to get threads about the Muslim gangs on here. I'm just trying to re-address the balance and prevent this 'anti-Muslim/anti-brown skinned' rhetoric that some posters revel in perpetuating. Like I've said numerous times, I'm not defending them in the slightest, they're all scum who should be shot and I'd quite happily pull the trigger myself. They aren't all Muslims though (as the home office report explains) The report paints the picture nationally and not just in Rochdale - hence the relevance of the sentence I've highlighted. Case in point: Slightly different but where is the thread about this? uk.yahoo.com/news/crime-four-men-jailed-rape-woman-nightclub-081313046.htmlNo doubt if their names were Ali/Butt etc the usual racists would be frothing at the mouth desperate to draw our attention to it. We don't only get Muslim gang threads on here there have been threads about the perverts in the Catholic Church and the Church of England I know because I've put them on here myself. What we don't get on those threads is "Yes but there's Muslim paedophiles as well" There is an issue when an article about 29 offenders is buried in the Yorkshire BBC section because it's no longer significant to make the BBC main news section. If the pattern follows on from the norm then the offenders are as identified and the victims won't be from the same community. Well I haven't seen those threads. Maybe they were during my 'sabbatical' - I'd be interested to see them though just to see how widespread the deserved condemnation is amongst the populous on here.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 13, 2021 16:39:32 GMT
Absolutely agree. The point I was making is that we only seem to get threads about the Muslim gangs on here. I'm just trying to re-address the balance and prevent this 'anti-Muslim/anti-brown skinned' rhetoric that some posters revel in perpetuating. Like I've said numerous times, I'm not defending them in the slightest, they're all scum who should be shot and I'd quite happily pull the trigger myself. They aren't all Muslims though (as the home office report explains) The report paints the picture nationally and not just in Rochdale - hence the relevance of the sentence I've highlighted. Case in point: Slightly different but where is the thread about this? uk.yahoo.com/news/crime-four-men-jailed-rape-woman-nightclub-081313046.htmlNo doubt if their names were Ali/Butt etc the usual racists would be frothing at the mouth desperate to draw our attention to it. We don't only get Muslim gang threads on here there have been threads about the perverts in the Catholic Church and the Church of England I know because I've put them on here myself. What we don't get on those threads is "Yes but there's Muslim paedophiles as well" There is an issue when an article about 29 offenders is buried in the Yorkshire BBC section because it's no longer significant to make the BBC main news section. If the pattern follows on from the norm then the offenders are as identified and the victims won't be from the same community. Agreed. You ask anyone in this country to describe your archetypal pedo and I bet you 99% will describe an unsavoury looking middle-aged to older white man in a dirty long coat. As a white man I don't find that generalisation particularly offensive because it has a lot of truth to it. This isn't about racism. Yes you will get some racists who jump on it and use it to push a racist agenda. But I can assure anyone there are plenty of non racist people who are very concerned about how news has been suppressed in connection with this organised group style paedophile behaviour. It is not something we have really seen before and the fact it has obviously been going on for a very long time without many people being aware should be a serious concern no matter what race a person is in this country. Children are being damaged and it needs to be discussed. Claiming it is racist to discuss it only ensures it will carry on for longer than it needs to.
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Post by Orbs on May 13, 2021 16:46:35 GMT
We don't only get Muslim gang threads on here there have been threads about the perverts in the Catholic Church and the Church of England I know because I've put them on here myself. What we don't get on those threads is "Yes but there's Muslim paedophiles as well" There is an issue when an article about 29 offenders is buried in the Yorkshire BBC section because it's no longer significant to make the BBC main news section. If the pattern follows on from the norm then the offenders are as identified and the victims won't be from the same community. Agreed. You ask anyone in this country to describe your archetypal pedo and I bet you 99% will describe an unsavoury looking middle-aged to older white man in a dirty long coat. As a white man I don't find that generalisation particularly offensive because it has a lot of truth to it. This isn't about racism. Yes you will get some racists who jump on it and use it to push a racist agenda. But I can assure anyone there are plenty of non racist people who are very concerned about how news has been suppressed in connection with this organised group style paedophile behaviour. It is not something we have really seen before and the fact it has obviously been going on for a very long time without many people being aware should be a serious concern no matter what race a person is in this country. Children are being damaged and it needs to be discussed. Claiming it is racist to discuss it only ensures it will carry on for longer than it needs to. This issue isn't about racism you're 100% right. There are folk on here who are racist though.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 13, 2021 16:47:05 GMT
We don't only get Muslim gang threads on here there have been threads about the perverts in the Catholic Church and the Church of England I know because I've put them on here myself. What we don't get on those threads is "Yes but there's Muslim paedophiles as well" There is an issue when an article about 29 offenders is buried in the Yorkshire BBC section because it's no longer significant to make the BBC main news section. If the pattern follows on from the norm then the offenders are as identified and the victims won't be from the same community. Agreed. You ask anyone in this country to describe your archetypal pedo and I bet you 99% will describe an unsavoury looking middle-aged to older white man in a dirty long coat. As a white man I don't find that generalisation particularly offensive because it has a lot of truth to it. This isn't about racism. Yes you will get some racists who jump on it and use it to push a racist agenda. But I can assure anyone there are plenty of non racist people who are very concerned about how news has been suppressed in connection with this organised group style paedophile behaviour. It is not something we have really seen before and the fact it has obviously been going on for a very long time without many people being aware should be a serious concern no matter what race a person is in this country. Children are being damaged and it needs to be discussed. Claiming it is racist to discuss it only ensures it will carry on for longer than it needs to. The vast majority of these grooming gangs are Pakistani, if it was the other way round and it was white gangs going it to Pakistani girls then all hell would break loose
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Post by woodstein on May 13, 2021 19:48:38 GMT
Why has it taken 11 years to bring these filthy paedos to court ? I would bet my house that all these perverts are of Pakistani heritage, why is there no uproar from women's groups etc. , where are the protests about this national disgrace why are our authorities not protecting vulnerable white children from these racist Muslim Pakistani perverts ? They are of that heritage.
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Post by woodstein on May 13, 2021 19:50:41 GMT
Agreed. You ask anyone in this country to describe your archetypal pedo and I bet you 99% will describe an unsavoury looking middle-aged to older white man in a dirty long coat. As a white man I don't find that generalisation particularly offensive because it has a lot of truth to it. This isn't about racism. Yes you will get some racists who jump on it and use it to push a racist agenda. But I can assure anyone there are plenty of non racist people who are very concerned about how news has been suppressed in connection with this organised group style paedophile behaviour. It is not something we have really seen before and the fact it has obviously been going on for a very long time without many people being aware should be a serious concern no matter what race a person is in this country. Children are being damaged and it needs to be discussed. Claiming it is racist to discuss it only ensures it will carry on for longer than it needs to. The vast majority of these grooming gangs are Pakistani, if it was the other way round and it was white gangs going it to Pakistani girls then all hell would break loose I imagine if anyone demonstrated against these paedo's that they'd be classed as racists!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 14, 2021 12:06:11 GMT
Agreed. You ask anyone in this country to describe your archetypal pedo and I bet you 99% will describe an unsavoury looking middle-aged to older white man in a dirty long coat. As a white man I don't find that generalisation particularly offensive because it has a lot of truth to it. This isn't about racism. Yes you will get some racists who jump on it and use it to push a racist agenda. But I can assure anyone there are plenty of non racist people who are very concerned about how news has been suppressed in connection with this organised group style paedophile behaviour. It is not something we have really seen before and the fact it has obviously been going on for a very long time without many people being aware should be a serious concern no matter what race a person is in this country. Children are being damaged and it needs to be discussed. Claiming it is racist to discuss it only ensures it will carry on for longer than it needs to. This issue isn't about racism you're 100% right. There are folk on here who are racist though. There will always be racist people, we need to accept this. The quest to rid the world of racist people is akin to the quest to rid the world of rude people. It'll never happen. Bottom line is race relations have never been better in this country and they continue to improve. And don't say it too loud but yes there are non white people that are ssshhhhhhh.....racist, very racist in fact. We all have a long way to go but on the whole; and despite the protestations of "justice warriors"; we are heading in the right direction and have been for decades. Sadly it is in the interests of a very vocal minority of people to try and paint this country as a racist hell hole, there is a whole lucrative industry based on it. It absolutely isn't a racist hell hole. And to say it is with wanton abandon serves only to give the racists the ammo they need to continue with their racism. Discussing grooming gangs is not racist, it is common sense in order to protect children and find a solution to this evidently very serious and widespread issue.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 15, 2021 22:27:06 GMT
The nine of them have racked up so far a legal aid bill of over 2 million to the cost of the British taxpayers as they fight to stay in Britain
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Post by metalhead on May 15, 2021 23:05:43 GMT
The nine of them have racked up so far a legal aid bill of over 2 million to the cost of the British taxpayers as they fight to stay in Britain That's horrifying but equally part of the game isn't it? They are entitled to defence.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 24, 2023 17:22:47 GMT
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Post by milton58 on Jun 24, 2023 18:38:22 GMT
grooming gangs are never good news hang the fuckers
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 24, 2023 18:57:51 GMT
Careful mate, the woke lefties will be accusing you of racism then hit you with full scale whataboutery
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Post by hamsta2 on Jun 24, 2023 19:16:16 GMT
Careful mate, the woke lefties will be accusing you of racism then hit you with full scale whataboutery No I won’t
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Post by wannabee on Jun 24, 2023 19:38:53 GMT
Indeed it is, any perversion committed against children no matter who commits it be they Black, White, Brown or Green should be utterly condemned The only regret I have in this particular case is that it has taken so long to bring them to trial.
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