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Post by metalhead on Apr 6, 2021 6:32:07 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 6, 2021 7:23:39 GMT
As he has about as much power as a over paid bus conductor I would say it is a cynical ploy to get re-elected Maybe if he spent the money this enquiry is going to cost on a few extra policemen he may have more of a effect |
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 6, 2021 7:33:45 GMT
It’s nowt to do with his re-election- he’s a shoo-in It’s far more cynical than that. It’s about his legacy... what will he be remembered for as Mayor. Ken Livingstone will always be associated with transport, partly due to his time as the leader of the GLC, but also the introduction of the Oyster card and congestion charges. Johnson has, by virtue of being in the right place at the right time, the Olympics. Khan has... nothing. He’d love something seismic to happen on his shift. That is what will be motivating him. Which is fair enough, he is a politician. |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 6, 2021 7:34:14 GMT
As he has about as much power as a over paid bus conductor I would say it is a cynical ploy to get re-elected Maybe if he spent the money this enquiry is going to cost on a few extra policemen he may have more of a effect The last thing London (or anywhere in the UK) needs to do, is give the police more money. |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 6, 2021 7:38:19 GMT
It’s nowt to do with his re-election- he’s a shoo-in It’s far more cynical than that. It’s about his legacy... what will he be remembered for as Mayor. Ken Livingstone will always be associated with transport, partly due to his time as the leader of the GLC, but also the introduction of the Oyster card and congestion charges. Johnson has, by virtue of being in the right place at the right time, the Olympics. Khan has... nothing. He’d love something seismic to happen on his shift. That is what will be motivating him. Which is fair enough, he is a politician. I actually think it would be an excellent result and hopefully set a trend that is currently taking the United States. Marijuana should have been legalized years ago and effectively tax'd. We would have made billions already had we been progressive on this. Instead, we have a huge underground free-market which is not only linked to organised crime, terrorism, etc, but is saturated with products that are designed to be significantly more potent than years ago... |
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 6, 2021 7:45:20 GMT
It’s nowt to do with his re-election- he’s a shoo-in It’s far more cynical than that. It’s about his legacy... what will he be remembered for as Mayor. Ken Livingstone will always be associated with transport, partly due to his time as the leader of the GLC, but also the introduction of the Oyster card and congestion charges. Johnson has, by virtue of being in the right place at the right time, the Olympics. Khan has... nothing. He’d love something seismic to happen on his shift. That is what will be motivating him. Which is fair enough, he is a politician. I actually think it would be an excellent result and hopefully set a trend that is currently taking the United States. Marijuana should have been legalized years ago and effectively tax'd. We would have made billions already had we been progressive on this. Instead, we have a huge underground free-market which is not only linked to organised crime, terrorism, etc, but is saturated with products that are designed to be significantly more potent than years ago... I’ve not made my mind up on this... I can see arguments why this would be a good idea, I can see arguments why it would be a bad idea. That said, I wouldn’t lose sleep if it was legalised. Khan’s motivation though is pretty clear. And as I said, it’s fair enough. |
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Post by cerebralstokie on Apr 6, 2021 8:54:15 GMT
Perhaps we should take a look at how Portugal has handled the problem. As I understand it, they have decriminalised some drugs. However, addicts undergo intensive counselling aimed at getting them off the habit and access to drugs is controlled during the process. It seems to work. As it is, gangs make millions out of illegal trafficking and millions of lives are blighted. We need to look carefully at how we deal with the problem with an outcome of fewer people on drugs and gangs by passed in the process. In particular we need to get on top of "County Lines" which blights the lives of thousands of kids in the U.K. I know this is easier said than done. I don't think we have anything to lose by looking at alternatives to present laws and policies in the U.K. as they are clearly not working.
I in no way condone drug taking, but we need to be more pragmatic in finding solutions to the problem.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 6, 2021 9:07:55 GMT
Perhaps we should take a look at how Portugal has handled the problem. As I understand it, they have decriminalised some drugs. However, addicts undergo intensive counselling aimed at getting them off the habit and access to drugs is controlled during the process. It seems to work. As it is, gangs make millions out of illegal trafficking and millions of lives are blighted. We need to look carefully at how we deal with the problem with an outcome of fewer people on drugs and gangs by passed in the process. In particular we need to get on top of "County Lines" which blights the lives of thousands of kids in the U.K. I know this is easier said than done. I don't think we have anything to lose by looking at alternatives to present laws and policies in the U.K. as they are clearly not working. I in no way condone drug taking, but we need to be more pragmatic in finding solutions to the problem. I agree the Portugal model does seem to be an interesting one, I believe some states in America have followed suit also using similar methods. Aside from the points you raise there's also the issue of the product itself, if it's legalised then people know exactly what they're taking and in what measures....... |
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Post by elystokie on Apr 6, 2021 9:31:24 GMT
Perhaps we should take a look at how Portugal has handled the problem. As I understand it, they have decriminalised some drugs. However, addicts undergo intensive counselling aimed at getting them off the habit and access to drugs is controlled during the process. It seems to work. As it is, gangs make millions out of illegal trafficking and millions of lives are blighted. We need to look carefully at how we deal with the problem with an outcome of fewer people on drugs and gangs by passed in the process. In particular we need to get on top of "County Lines" which blights the lives of thousands of kids in the U.K. I know this is easier said than done. I don't think we have anything to lose by looking at alternatives to present laws and policies in the U.K. as they are clearly not working. I in no way condone drug taking, but we need to be more pragmatic in finding solutions to the problem. I agree the Portugal model does seem to be an interesting one, I believe some states in America have followed suit also using similar methods. Aside from the points you raise there's also the issue of the product itself, if it's legalised then people know exactly what they're taking and in what measures....... I think Portugal decriminilised everything, most states have legalised cannabis only. Portugal decided in 2001 that all drugs are a health issue and not a criminal issue, seems to have worked well, looking from the outside in anyway. Only Oregon out of all the state's legalising cannabis have taken a similar route to Portugal in decriminilising other drugs that were previously illegal, as far as I know anyway. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 6, 2021 9:33:46 GMT
I agree the Portugal model does seem to be an interesting one, I believe some states in America have followed suit also using similar methods. Aside from the points you raise there's also the issue of the product itself, if it's legalised then people know exactly what they're taking and in what measures....... I think Portugal decriminilised everything, most states have legalised cannabis only. Portugal decided in 2001 that all drugs are a health issue and not a criminal issue, seems to have worked well, looking from the outside in anyway. Only Oregon out of all the state's legalising cannabis have taken a similar route to Portugal in decriminilising other drugs that were previously illegal, as far as I know anyway.Cheers, I'll keep an eye for the results....... |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 6, 2021 9:39:47 GMT
It’s nowt to do with his re-election- he’s a shoo-in It’s far more cynical than that. It’s about his legacy... what will he be remembered for as Mayor. Ken Livingstone will always be associated with transport, partly due to his time as the leader of the GLC, but also the introduction of the Oyster card and congestion charges. Johnson has, by virtue of being in the right place at the right time, the Olympics. Khan has... nothing. He’d love something seismic to happen on his shift. That is what will be motivating him. Which is fair enough, he is a politician. I actually think it would be an excellent result and hopefully set a trend that is currently taking the United States. Marijuana should have been legalized years ago and effectively tax'd. We would have made billions already had we been progressive on this. Instead, we have a huge underground free-market which is not only linked to organised crime, terrorism, etc, but is saturated with products that are designed to be significantly more potent than years ago... I disagree in some respects. When you see the negative impact that the draw of decriminalisation has had in cities such as Portland and Seattle it needs handling with significant care. When you see the negative impact first hand it's astonishing that the people living in those cities aren't up in arms. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 6, 2021 9:45:22 GMT
I don’t mind it but I’d like some form of ruling in place with it, there’s nothing worse than being stood in line at KFC behind someone who is stoned off their biscuit and cannot even see the menu let alone choose from it, and I also wouldn’t feel comfortable pottering along the M6 and someone who is high as a kite in his BMW gliding over right into the side of me because he’s away with the fairies.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 6, 2021 10:02:34 GMT
I think Portugal decriminilised everything, most states have legalised cannabis only. Portugal decided in 2001 that all drugs are a health issue and not a criminal issue, seems to have worked well, looking from the outside in anyway. Only Oregon out of all the state's legalising cannabis have taken a similar route to Portugal in decriminilising other drugs that were previously illegal, as far as I know anyway.Cheers, I'll keep an eye for the results....... It will be interesting and the rest of the state's will be doubtless keeping an eye on how things turn out. Canada legalised recreational cannabis a couple of years ago, nationwide I think, they must have some quantifiable data by now on how things are panning out overall. |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 6, 2021 10:12:07 GMT
I don’t mind it but I’d like some form of ruling in place with it, there’s nothing worse than being stood in line at KFC behind someone who is stoned off their biscuit and cannot even see the menu let alone choose from it, and I also wouldn’t feel comfortable pottering along the M6 and someone who is high as a kite in his BMW gliding over right into the side of me because he’s away with the fairies. That's no different to being stood behind a guy who's just knocked 17 pints back... or watching that guy drink driving in his BMW? |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 6, 2021 10:15:12 GMT
I don’t mind it but I’d like some form of ruling in place with it, there’s nothing worse than being stood in line at KFC behind someone who is stoned off their biscuit and cannot even see the menu let alone choose from it, and I also wouldn’t feel comfortable pottering along the M6 and someone who is high as a kite in his BMW gliding over right into the side of me because he’s away with the fairies. That's no different to being stood behind a guy who's just knocked 17 pints back... or watching that guy drink driving in his BMW? I know, that’s why I mentioned I’d like ruling in place with it so we haven’t got people toking away at their hearts content. |
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Post by salopstick on Apr 6, 2021 10:33:59 GMT
Cannabis needs cultivation for a lot more than drug use also
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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 6, 2021 11:59:09 GMT
I had wondered what the feeling at home was regarding this.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 6, 2021 12:16:35 GMT
The studies, reports, findings, call them what you want are plentiful so I'm not gonna post numerous links on here.
The key to all this in my humble opinion is education and what the effects can be to prolonged usage.
To play devils advocate, many lives have been both ruined and many saved with the usage of the old 'Camberwell Carrot'
Ive seen it dozens and dozens of times on a Friday evening, lads piling off the easyjet flights, going into the 'Dam and giving it the big un.
2 hours later theyre sitting in the coffee shop dribbling ....such a waste of a weekend.
I will openly admit I smoke weed on a recreational basis, this through understanding what Im smoking, reading up on and being aware of what suits me in terms of the type of weed, whats in it and more importantly whose grown it.
My weed of choice is bleuberry
I rolled up for my lad a few weeks ago. He asked me about it and I said "right these are the rules.........." I had a joint with him in the back garden under my supervision, explained what was in it, how this could affect him, with a glass of coke to hand to foresee a sugar dip, some ice cream and a cup of coffee ready. Every single person on the planet is different and react differently to different types. I would rather monitor this myself than have him down the pub in the beer garden in an uncontrolled environment doing it
Should they decriminalze it ?
My answer is yes.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 6, 2021 13:24:29 GMT
The studies, reports, findings, call them what you want are plentiful so I'm not gonna post numerous links on here. The key to all this in my humble opinion is education and what the effects can be to prolonged usage.To play devils advocate, many lives have been both ruined and many saved with the usage of the old 'Camberwell Carrot' Ive seen it dozens and dozens of times on a Friday evening, lads piling off the easyjet flights, going into the 'Dam and giving it the big un. 2 hours later theyre sitting in the coffee shop dribbling ....such a waste of a weekend. I will openly admit I smoke weed on a recreational basis, this through understanding what Im smoking, reading up on and being aware of what suits me in terms of the type of weed, whats in it and more importantly whose grown it. My weed of choice is bleuberry I rolled up for my lad a few weeks ago. He asked me about it and I said "right these are the rules.........." I had a joint with him in the back garden under my supervision, explained what was in it, how this could affect him, with a glass of coke to hand to foresee a sugar dip, some ice cream and a cup of coffee ready. Every single person on the planet is different and react differently to different types. I would rather monitor this myself than have him down the pub in the beer garden in an uncontrolled environment doing it Should they decriminalze it ? My answer is yes. So no different to drink and smoking, which are both legal then? Ahh. Decriminalize it. |
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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 6, 2021 13:38:45 GMT
The studies, reports, findings, call them what you want are plentiful so I'm not gonna post numerous links on here. The key to all this in my humble opinion is education and what the effects can be to prolonged usage. To play devils advocate, many lives have been both ruined and many saved with the usage of the old 'Camberwell Carrot' Ive seen it dozens and dozens of times on a Friday evening, lads piling off the easyjet flights, going into the 'Dam and giving it the big un. 2 hours later theyre sitting in the coffee shop dribbling ....such a waste of a weekend. I will openly admit I smoke weed on a recreational basis, this through understanding what Im smoking, reading up on and being aware of what suits me in terms of the type of weed, whats in it and more importantly whose grown it. My weed of choice is bleuberry I rolled up for my lad a few weeks ago. He asked me about it and I said "right these are the rules.........." I had a joint with him in the back garden under my supervision, explained what was in it, how this could affect him, with a glass of coke to hand to foresee a sugar dip, some ice cream and a cup of coffee ready. Every single person on the planet is different and react differently to different types. I would rather monitor this myself than have him down the pub in the beer garden in an uncontrolled environment doing it Should they decriminalze it ? My answer is yes. I have a prescription. |
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Post by zerps on Apr 6, 2021 15:58:11 GMT
It’s a wonder drug and the evidence is out there to prove it.
This will reduce domestic violence, social issues and increase the sales of haribo.
You won’t see any trouble in Amsterdam.
It’s been related to teen angst and mental disorders but teenagers are fucking mental anyway in my experience.
I saw somewhere they’re trialling cannabis for use on depression. Very interesting.
I take cbd daily and it’s brilliant. I also like to get stoned occasionally and that’s fantastic too. I prefer cannabis to having alcohol at home, but I do get paranoid about the neighbours smelling it over the fence 😬
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Post by metalhead on Apr 6, 2021 20:43:13 GMT
It’s a wonder drug and the evidence is out there to prove it. This will reduce domestic violence, social issues and increase the sales of haribo. You won’t see any trouble in Amsterdam. It’s been related to teen angst and mental disorders but teenagers are fucking mental anyway in my experience. I saw somewhere they’re trialling cannabis for use on depression. Very interesting. I take cbd daily and it’s brilliant. I also like to get stoned occasionally and that’s fantastic too. I prefer cannabis to having alcohol at home, but I do get paranoid about the neighbours smelling it over the fence 😬 If you smoke weed once or twice a week, you're fine. There is plenty of people in this world that do and have for years. If you smoke it three times a day, it is linked with mental disorders..... So absolutely no different to alcoholism then? Chronic alcoholics often suffer from mental health issues. Even heavy smoking is known to cause depression. What's the difference? |
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Post by lordb on Apr 6, 2021 22:01:25 GMT
Legalise absolutely
Decriminalise it...no
Take it away from the criminals
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Post by zerps on Apr 7, 2021 4:58:55 GMT
It’s a wonder drug and the evidence is out there to prove it. This will reduce domestic violence, social issues and increase the sales of haribo. You won’t see any trouble in Amsterdam. It’s been related to teen angst and mental disorders but teenagers are fucking mental anyway in my experience. I saw somewhere they’re trialling cannabis for use on depression. Very interesting. I take cbd daily and it’s brilliant. I also like to get stoned occasionally and that’s fantastic too. I prefer cannabis to having alcohol at home, but I do get paranoid about the neighbours smelling it over the fence 😬 If you smoke weed once or twice a week, you're fine. There is plenty of people in this world that do and have for years. If you smoke it three times a day, it is linked with mental disorders..... So absolutely no different to alcoholism then? Chronic alcoholics often suffer from mental health issues. Even heavy smoking is known to cause depression. What's the difference? Conclusion - Too much of anything is bad. We know this. We’ve known this forever. Unfortunately stats are used to scare people and to push certain agendas. |
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Post by flea79 on Apr 7, 2021 8:38:31 GMT
weed never did me any good at all and usually led to an instant white out, well "skunk" did but in the old days when you could get resin more easily i was fine with it....
i dont see it as an evil and by legalising it you instantly cut out hell of a lot of criminal activity that surrounds its use and growing
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Post by metalhead on Apr 7, 2021 9:01:37 GMT
weed never did me any good at all and usually led to an instant white out, well "skunk" did but in the old days when you could get resin more easily i was fine with it.... i dont see it as an evil and by legalising it you instantly cut out hell of a lot of criminal activity that surrounds its use and growing It's no worse than smoking (a lot of experts believe it's actually better for you than smoking), and it's significantly healthier than heavy alcohol consumption. Of all the drugs available, legal or illegal, alcohol is genuinely one of the worst for your body. |
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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 7, 2021 12:45:37 GMT
weed never did me any good at all and usually led to an instant white out, well "skunk" did but in the old days when you could get resin more easily i was fine with it.... i dont see it as an evil and by legalising it you instantly cut out hell of a lot of criminal activity that surrounds its use and growing It's no worse than smoking (a lot of experts believe it's actually better for you than smoking), and it's significantly healthier than heavy alcohol consumption. Of all the drugs available, legal or illegal, alcohol is genuinely one of the worst for your body. If we knew what we know now cigarettes and alcohol would have been illegal and mj legal. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 7, 2021 13:05:02 GMT
If they ever legalise it
Buy shares in McDonald’s kfc
And late night garage operators
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Post by innocentbystander on Apr 7, 2021 21:13:18 GMT
I don’t mind it but I’d like some form of ruling in place with it, there’s nothing worse than being stood in line at KFC behind someone who is stoned off their biscuit and cannot even see the menu let alone choose from it, and I also wouldn’t feel comfortable pottering along the M6 and someone who is high as a kite in his BMW gliding over right into the side of me because he’s away with the fairies. Oh...sorry about that... |
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 7, 2021 21:36:28 GMT
I know people here in the US that are using it (successfully) to get off of pharmaceuticals for one ailment or another AND others who have successfully used it to tear free from addiction to prescription painkillers. It's proven to be effective at such odd things as reducing fluid pressure behind the eyes for those of us who suffer from Glaucoma. And I have a friend who swears it's the reason he has beaten Diabetes. (He also lost a bunch of weight so I think it's a combination) I know a BUNCH of people that suffer from depression that it has helped. So it helps or "cures" naturally a lot of things you'd otherwise have to go to the pill-pushers for.
Am glad to see that Prohibition II may be coming to an end soon. I smoked it nearly every day illegally when I was younger. (Just to make sure I really did like it) I quit as soon as I started a career. (Most companies here drug-test) I know that 99% of the negative info on it is bullshite. It's not a "gateway" drug - at no time when I smoked it was I tempted to try anything else. The real truth is this - pharmaceuticals are the REAL gateway drugs. I know a bunch of people that have been turned into addicts from a prescription.
I work for a defense contractor so I can get the medical card but....if it gets caught on a surprise drug test I'm screwed. So for that reason, I've resisted the temptation. We still need an overlying Federal Law passed regarding this issue. It HAS created a new economy and generated billions in tax-income for organized crime (Government) to skim from.
Not so sure about legalizing things like cocaine and heroin though - that's a whole different argument. Not saying I'm dead-set against it, but I can see several major issues with it.
Unlike Pot, I haven't read too many articles about the "wonderful healing powers" of cocaine or heroin.
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