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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 7, 2021 21:52:40 GMT
The studies, reports, findings, call them what you want are plentiful so I'm not gonna post numerous links on here. The key to all this in my humble opinion is education and what the effects can be to prolonged usage. To play devils advocate, many lives have been both ruined and many saved with the usage of the old 'Camberwell Carrot' Ive seen it dozens and dozens of times on a Friday evening, lads piling off the easyjet flights, going into the 'Dam and giving it the big un. 2 hours later theyre sitting in the coffee shop dribbling ....such a waste of a weekend. I will openly admit I smoke weed on a recreational basis, this through understanding what Im smoking, reading up on and being aware of what suits me in terms of the type of weed, whats in it and more importantly whose grown it. My weed of choice is bleuberry I rolled up for my lad a few weeks ago. He asked me about it and I said "right these are the rules.........." I had a joint with him in the back garden under my supervision, explained what was in it, how this could affect him, with a glass of coke to hand to foresee a sugar dip, some ice cream and a cup of coffee ready. Every single person on the planet is different and react differently to different types. I would rather monitor this myself than have him down the pub in the beer garden in an uncontrolled environment doing it Should they decriminalze it ? My answer is yes. Mine is too, I really don't see the point in occupying police time on this anymore. Educate, allow it to be sold with restrictions and there would be one less thing to worry about. Your story about Amsterdam reminds of time when I was working there. I was having a drink with the landlord that I knew and in wandered this chap, appeared to be on holiday. As you do you get chatting and we asked him what he was doing in the 'Dam. He replied he was on holiday with his girlfriend. We asked where she had gone and he explained on the first night (a few days before this) they'd gone to the local headshop. They had some weed and it affected her so badly she had remained in her hotel room for the entire stay! Their flight was in a few hours time. Oh well! Despite this event, it's because people aren't used to it, Holland it's standard thing to see on a high street and so there's no real excitement when you see another one. If you want some you walk and make a steady choice, rather than one driven by excitement (and therefore the wrong one).
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 7, 2021 22:10:50 GMT
Those are both excellent posts and I agree.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 8, 2021 8:31:06 GMT
The studies, reports, findings, call them what you want are plentiful so I'm not gonna post numerous links on here. The key to all this in my humble opinion is education and what the effects can be to prolonged usage. To play devils advocate, many lives have been both ruined and many saved with the usage of the old 'Camberwell Carrot' Ive seen it dozens and dozens of times on a Friday evening, lads piling off the easyjet flights, going into the 'Dam and giving it the big un. 2 hours later theyre sitting in the coffee shop dribbling ....such a waste of a weekend. I will openly admit I smoke weed on a recreational basis, this through understanding what Im smoking, reading up on and being aware of what suits me in terms of the type of weed, whats in it and more importantly whose grown it. My weed of choice is bleuberry I rolled up for my lad a few weeks ago. He asked me about it and I said "right these are the rules.........." I had a joint with him in the back garden under my supervision, explained what was in it, how this could affect him, with a glass of coke to hand to foresee a sugar dip, some ice cream and a cup of coffee ready. Every single person on the planet is different and react differently to different types. I would rather monitor this myself than have him down the pub in the beer garden in an uncontrolled environment doing it Should they decriminalze it ? My answer is yes. Mine is too, I really don't see the point in occupying police time on this anymore. Educate, allow it to be sold with restrictions and there would be one less thing to worry about. Your story about Amsterdam reminds of time when I was working there. I was having a drink with the landlord that I knew and in wandered this chap, appeared to be on holiday. As you do you get chatting and we asked him what he was doing in the 'Dam. He replied he was on holiday with his girlfriend. We asked where she had gone and he explained on the first night (a few days before this) they'd gone to the local headshop. They had some weed and it affected her so badly she had remained in her hotel room for the entire stay! Their flight was in a few hours time. Oh well! Despite this event, it's because people aren't used to it, Holland it's standard thing to see on a high street and so there's no real excitement when you see another one. If you want some you walk and make a steady choice, rather than one driven by excitement (and therefore the wrong one). If it was sold under regulation, it would utterly destroy the underground market and make a pretty penny for the government. It would also allow the government to put restrictions on the levels of THC within the cannabis. It's not CBD that turns you fucking loopy which is why you can buy it pure, it's THC which is the illegal part of the drug. Years ago, THC levels in typical weed was around 2-5% with stronger strains perhaps having 8% or 10%. Nowadays, 15% skunk is your weak rubbish and 20%-25% is more common. You can get higher than that if you look hard enough. No wonder that shit turns your brain into a fucking vegetable.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 8, 2021 8:41:05 GMT
Mine is too, I really don't see the point in occupying police time on this anymore. Educate, allow it to be sold with restrictions and there would be one less thing to worry about. Your story about Amsterdam reminds of time when I was working there. I was having a drink with the landlord that I knew and in wandered this chap, appeared to be on holiday. As you do you get chatting and we asked him what he was doing in the 'Dam. He replied he was on holiday with his girlfriend. We asked where she had gone and he explained on the first night (a few days before this) they'd gone to the local headshop. They had some weed and it affected her so badly she had remained in her hotel room for the entire stay! Their flight was in a few hours time. Oh well! Despite this event, it's because people aren't used to it, Holland it's standard thing to see on a high street and so there's no real excitement when you see another one. If you want some you walk and make a steady choice, rather than one driven by excitement (and therefore the wrong one). If it was sold under regulation, it would utterly destroy the underground market and make a pretty penny for the government. It would also allow the government to put restrictions on the levels of THC within the cannabis. It's not CBD that turns you fucking loopy which is why you can buy it pure, it's THC which is the illegal part of the drug. Years ago, THC levels in typical weed was around 2-5% with stronger strains perhaps having 8% or 10%. Nowadays, 15% skunk is your weak rubbish and 20%-25% is more common. You can get higher than that if you look hard enough. No wonder that shit turns your brain into a fucking vegetable. Valid points, which is why I mentioned its important to know who is growing it, what strains theyre using to make hybrid types. If you identify a good supply its half the battle. Its better than getting a few twigs from "Dave down the pub" that when you put it in your paper and spark it, it begins to crackle and spit. A lesson to you all there....its probably had a dried out cleaning agent added to it.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Apr 8, 2021 9:48:14 GMT
For users of harder drugs, was marijuana their starting point of that journey to the hard stuff? Even if it’s only a small amount that move on from using just marijuana it still could be a big danger? That’s my main worry about it becoming legal but I must admit I know little about it.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 8, 2021 10:44:24 GMT
To be honest I have never understood why it's illegal to use something you can pretty much grow from a naturally occurring seed at home yet at the same time we are actively encouraged to go down the pub and guzzle 10 pints. And lets face it your average stoner doesn't cause too much bother in the scheme of things.
Point is if it's legal to get off your face on booze I fail to see the justification for criminalising someone for having a cheeky toke on a spliff.
Some may remember a few years back C4 did a big experiment on it and concluded weed was way way way less harmful than alcohol.
It's daft, just legalise it.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 8, 2021 11:09:00 GMT
To be honest I have never understood why it's illegal to use something you can pretty much grow from a naturally occurring seed at home yet at the same time we are actively encouraged to go down the pub and guzzle 10 pints. And lets face it your average stoner doesn't cause too much bother in the scheme of things. Point is if it's legal to get off your face on booze I fail to see the justification for criminalising someone for having a cheeky toke on a spliff. Some may remember a few years back C4 did a big experiment on it and concluded weed was way way way less harmful than alcohol. It's daft, just legalise it. A few years ago, Fifth Gear did an experiment of people driving while baked vs drunk. Those on weed were significantly more capable than those who are drunk. Not saying you should be stoned and drive, but it demonstrated that the effects of a sesh on the weed are significantly less than that of a big alcohol sesh.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 8, 2021 11:48:24 GMT
To be honest I have never understood why it's illegal to use something you can pretty much grow from a naturally occurring seed at home yet at the same time we are actively encouraged to go down the pub and guzzle 10 pints. And lets face it your average stoner doesn't cause too much bother in the scheme of things. Point is if it's legal to get off your face on booze I fail to see the justification for criminalising someone for having a cheeky toke on a spliff. Some may remember a few years back C4 did a big experiment on it and concluded weed was way way way less harmful than alcohol. It's daft, just legalise it. A few years ago, Fifth Gear did an experiment of people driving while baked vs drunk. Those on weed were significantly more capable than those who are drunk. Not saying you should be stoned and drive, but it demonstrated that the effects of a sesh on the weed are significantly less than that of a big alcohol sesh. THeres a show over here called "Spuiten en Slikken"....literally translated means "Spraying and Swallowing"....which gives reviews and reports on anything to do with Sex and Drugs, new trends do's and donts, new 'toys' on the market etc. ( I watch it purely for the informative reviews and absolutely nothing to do with watching the fit presenter getting off her trolley ! )
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 8, 2021 13:16:03 GMT
To be honest I have never understood why it's illegal to use something you can pretty much grow from a naturally occurring seed at home yet at the same time we are actively encouraged to go down the pub and guzzle 10 pints. And lets face it your average stoner doesn't cause too much bother in the scheme of things. Point is if it's legal to get off your face on booze I fail to see the justification for criminalising someone for having a cheeky toke on a spliff. Some may remember a few years back C4 did a big experiment on it and concluded weed was way way way less harmful than alcohol. It's daft, just legalise it. A few years ago, Fifth Gear did an experiment of people driving while baked vs drunk. Those on weed were significantly more capable than those who are drunk. Not saying you should be stoned and drive, but it demonstrated that the effects of a sesh on the weed are significantly less than that of a big alcohol sesh. Yes I seem to recall that. It's a political football. To support its legalisation identifies you as soft liberal who must be soft on crime and punishment but to keep the status quo means you are a party that supports law and order. What a load of BS. If you ask me it has a lot to do with the alcohol industry being terrified of losing a lot of its customer base and hence they lobby governments accordingly. Total nonsense. Facts are it is demonstrably less harmful than booze so should be legal. The government has only just reclassified that GHB up to the same B category as cannabis. I mean what a joke, a drug that has been killing people and assisting in rape was classed below cannabis! The government need a total re think about their drug policy generally. It doesn't work. Decade after decade of the crime/gangs and all the bad things surrounding it getting worse every year yet they stick to the same old policies year after year and have a prison system bursting at the seams. What's that old saying, "to keep repeating the same action time after time and expecting a different result is the definition of stupidity". Indeed, utter stupidity.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 8, 2021 13:31:56 GMT
For users of harder drugs, was marijuana their starting point of that journey to the hard stuff? Even if it’s only a small amount that move on from using just marijuana it still could be a big danger? That’s my main worry about it becoming legal but I must admit I know little about it. Alcohol is 99.9% of the time the "gateway" drug to everything else. Makes me laugh how weed has become synonymous with this "gateway" to heroin label. At the end of the day everything in life is about personal choices and making good decisions. Educate kids, give them the information and stop them from having to enter the fringes of organised crime culture to experiment with a bloody joint. Smoking a few spliffs in my college days didn't lead me to heroin or crack. Yet here I am with govt approval still boozing in my middle age slowly rotting my liver and brain weekend by weekend. And the kind Morrisons delivery man even drops it off for me on a Friday afternoon. Smashing
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 8, 2021 18:14:19 GMT
Hundreds of thousands of people in the US have become addicted to heroin having first become addicted to prescription pain-killers via surgery, an accident etc. It's so bad that you've probably seen articles on the "Opioid Crisis" with all the states bringing lawsuits against the pharmaceutical companies. Not only are pharmaceuticals, the "gateway" drug to heroin - they are a direct off-ramp straight to it because painkillers are far more expensive on the street. Then when they can't get heroin, they turn to methamphetamine, which is dirt-cheap and readily available from any of your neighborhood scumbags. Not only has this disproved the myth of marijuana as a "gateway" drug, some therapy programs are now actually USING it as a way to help kick heroin and methamphetamine addiction! I know of someone who is in one of these programs and it's helping the "dope-sickness" from withdrawal.
Much of the anti-legalization movement has come from the pharmaceutical companies lobbying Congress (Who want their patients to stay hooked on their drugs, thank you) and mis-informed rednecks who "Don't want them dayyumed kids a shootin up that mary j wanna on the street!" having bought into that old movie, "Reefer Madness."
In the states where it's still illegal, we've got cops flying around in Blackhawk helicopters busting Tommy Chong smoking a joint while some dangerous gangster down the street gets away with cooking up a volatile and poisonous cocktail of methamphetamine with 5 kids in the house. Well congratulations on a ridiculous waste of resources! Like many of you, I'm just sick of the Prohibition II hypocrisy.
As stated above, the real "gateway" drugs to things like heroin and cocaine are alcohol, pharmaceuticals and sad, crappy things happening to people in their lives.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 8, 2021 18:46:41 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Apr 8, 2021 20:29:20 GMT
A few years ago, Fifth Gear did an experiment of people driving while baked vs drunk. Those on weed were significantly more capable than those who are drunk. Not saying you should be stoned and drive, but it demonstrated that the effects of a sesh on the weed are significantly less than that of a big alcohol sesh. Yes I seem to recall that. It's a political football. To support its legalisation identifies you as soft liberal who must be soft on crime and punishment but to keep the status quo means you are a party that supports law and order. What a load of BS. If you ask me it has a lot to do with the alcohol industry being terrified of losing a lot of its customer base and hence they lobby governments accordingly. Total nonsense. Facts are it is demonstrably less harmful than booze so should be legal. The government has only just reclassified that GHB up to the same B category as cannabis. I mean what a joke, a drug that has been killing people and assisting in rape was classed below cannabis! The government need a total re think about their drug policy generally. It doesn't work. Decade after decade of the crime/gangs and all the bad things surrounding it getting worse every year yet they stick to the same old policies year after year and have a prison system bursting at the seams. What's that old saying, "to keep repeating the same action time after time and expecting a different result is the definition of stupidity". Indeed, utter stupidity. For users of harder drugs, was marijuana their starting point of that journey to the hard stuff? Even if it’s only a small amount that move on from using just marijuana it still could be a big danger? That’s my main worry about it becoming legal but I must admit I know little about it. Alcohol is 99.9% of the time the "gateway" drug to everything else. Makes me laugh how weed has become synonymous with this "gateway" to heroin label. At the end of the day everything in life is about personal choices and making good decisions. Educate kids, give them the information and stop them from having to enter the fringes of organised crime culture to experiment with a bloody joint. Smoking a few spliffs in my college days didn't lead me to heroin or crack. Yet here I am with govt approval still boozing in my middle age slowly rotting my liver and brain weekend by weekend. And the kind Morrisons delivery man even drops it off for me on a Friday afternoon. Smashing The inconvenient truth is that alcohol is one of the worst drugs you can take. Every scientist, doctor, physicist fucking knows it. It's generally regarded by those who actually know the science, to be in the same league as heroin. It pickles your liver, destroys your stomach and has a huge link to mental health issues. Alcohol withdrawal symptoms can lead to death and the reality is, to suffer from alcohol withdrawal, you only need to have a solid month of drinking everyday. I believe a bottle of jack daniels a day, for a month, will have you in a situation where withdrawal could literally lead to your death. Yet, we continue to drink? I drink. I'm as bad as the rest. Smoking is just generally shit and we accept it. Marijuana, of those three options is the least dangerous and probably the most beneficial. It has most of the (albeit limited) health benefits of smoking, and even more that smoking doesn't offer. It contains none of the calories of alcohol and doesn't put your body into a state of shock which can last for days, like alcohol.
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Post by The man from Utch on Apr 8, 2021 23:48:06 GMT
I wish Marijuana was the vaccine. I would gladly have every vaccine on offer as long as they gave me a vaccine marijuana passport too.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 9, 2021 5:12:24 GMT
For users of harder drugs, was marijuana their starting point of that journey to the hard stuff? Even if it’s only a small amount that move on from using just marijuana it still could be a big danger? That’s my main worry about it becoming legal but I must admit I know little about it. It's nonsense. The term "gateway drug", in itself, has never made any sense to me. The biggest gateway to ANY drug...? Opportunity. People don't drop their first pill because they have smoked weed since they were 18, they do it because some guy offers one at the Noel Gallagher gig he and his mates are at....
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