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Post by stokecitytalke on Apr 4, 2021 14:56:20 GMT
Well I used to go to football and won’t if they bring this in so that’s fewer people not more. Nobody wants lock downs going on and on , nobody wants regulation that isn’t needed ..but cutting your nose off to spite your face means youre left outside whilst everyone else is inside watching the game . or we could go down your route , no vaccination certification and 75% of those that want to go can’t because of enforced reduced capacity For the record , I don’t particular want or advocating certification , but if it’s a necessary evil then so be it .. And obviously any certification comes with it difficulties of those not able to be vaccinated People would have to have a 'not able to have a vaccine' certificate instead.
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 4, 2021 14:59:57 GMT
Freedom , what freedom..From birth certificate , death certificate, marriage certificate , driving license , car tax , car insurance , bus / train pass , passport , clocking on at work , clocking off at work ,paying taxes , school register , true supporter card , bubble matches , kick off dates and times changed .. and a million other things , people jump through hoops from the day they're born and carry on jumping through them until the day they die The club already know my name , age , address , what games I attend , any I don’t , what time I enter the ground , those and all the above are everyday examples of certification bringing with them Benifits and not ‘conforming’ merely short changes yourself , so if vaccination certification is needed to access football and allows more people to access football than would do otherwise then tbh hey ho Do you really want to have to arrive at a certain time as directed by the club, queue up to have your papers inspected before entering the ground, be directed to sit in a clearly designated area 2m away from you fellow supporters, then be required to sit in silence whilst wearing a mask for the duration of the game and be told when you're able to go for a piss (the bars are closed by the way), and only be able to leave at a designated time also determined by the club? What a truly awful matchday experience that would be. If the above comes to fruition (and I don't believe that it will) then I and thousands of others will be giving it a miss I expect.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2021 15:01:54 GMT
Freedom , what freedom..From birth certificate , death certificate, marriage certificate , driving license , car tax , car insurance , bus / train pass , passport , clocking on at work , clocking off at work ,paying taxes , school register , true supporter card , bubble matches , kick off dates and times changed .. and a million other things , people jump through hoops from the day they're born and carry on jumping through them until the day they die The club already know my name , age , address , what games I attend , any I don’t , what time I enter the ground , those and all the above are everyday examples of certification bringing with them Benifits and not ‘conforming’ merely short changes yourself , so if vaccination certification is needed to access football and allows more people to access football than would do otherwise then tbh hey ho Do you really want to have to arrive at a certain time as directed by the club, queue up to have your papers inspected before entering the ground, be directed to sit in a clearly designated area 2m away from you fellow supporters, then be required to sit in silence whilst wearing a mask for the duration of the game and be told when you're able to go for a piss (the bars are closed by the way), and only be able to leave at a designated time also determined by the club? What a truly awful matchday experience that would be. If the above comes to fruition (and I don't believe that it will) then I and thousands of others will be giving it a miss I expect. It was bad enough before all this shite! It’s no from me
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Post by Scouse on Apr 4, 2021 15:04:59 GMT
Nobody wants lock downs going on and on , nobody wants regulation that isn’t needed ..but cutting your nose off to spite your face means youre left outside whilst everyone else is inside watching the game . or we could go down your route , no vaccination certification and 75% of those that want to go can’t because of enforced reduced capacity For the record , I don’t particular want or advocating certification , but if it’s a necessary evil then so be it .. And obviously any certification comes with it difficulties of those not able to be vaccinated People would have to have a 'not able to have a vaccine' certificate instead. TBH I’m hoping by the time the 21/22 season starts the national vaccination figures will be very high , so by default it won’t prove either necessary or prudent ..allowing both home and away supporters Going forward in the short to medium term at least ( 1 season , who can guess beyond that ) I do see some issues for overseas supporters that need to be addressed ..in our case those numbers might be small , but I wouldn’t want them excluded by default ..and if the season is normalish nor should they , travel bans excepted
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 4, 2021 15:09:49 GMT
Freedom , what freedom..From birth certificate , death certificate, marriage certificate , driving license , car tax , car insurance , bus / train pass , passport , clocking on at work , clocking off at work ,paying taxes , school register , true supporter card , bubble matches , kick off dates and times changed .. and a million other things , people jump through hoops from the day they're born and carry on jumping through them until the day they die The club already know my name , age , address , what games I attend , any I don’t , what time I enter the ground , those and all the above are everyday examples of certification bringing with them Benifits and not ‘conforming’ merely short changes yourself , so if vaccination certification is needed to access football and allows more people to access football than would do otherwise then tbh hey ho Do you really want to have to arrive at a certain time as directed by the club, queue up to have your papers inspected before entering the ground, be directed to sit in a clearly designated area 2m away from you fellow supporters, then be required to sit in silence whilst wearing a mask for the duration of the game and be told when you're able to go for a piss (the bars are closed by the way), and only be able to leave at a designated time also determined by the club? What a truly awful matchday experience that would be. If the above comes to fruition (and I don't believe that it will) then I and thousands of others will be giving it a miss I expect. I'm not going back until it's full capacity. The thought of sitting with a 2 metre gap round me unable to shout or sing while wearing a mask is just dismal. I'd rather sit at home and watch it on telly. There would be more atmosphere and I can arrive and leave when I want. I desperately miss going but some sterile matchday lite would not be worth it.
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Post by Scouse on Apr 4, 2021 15:13:39 GMT
Do you really want to have to arrive at a certain time as directed by the club, queue up to have your papers inspected before entering the ground, be directed to sit in a clearly designated area 2m away from you fellow supporters, then be required to sit in silence whilst wearing a mask for the duration of the game and be told when you're able to go for a piss (the bars are closed by the way), and only be able to leave at a designated time also determined by the club? What a truly awful matchday experience that would be. If the above comes to fruition (and I don't believe that it will) then I and thousands of others will be giving it a miss I expect. It was bad enough before all this shite! It’s no from me Again I don’t think ( hope ) it will come to overly restrictive changes Do I want it ..would I cut off my nose off to spite my face simply on principle , rather than the logistics of early arrival , staggered departures , again no .. Changes I expect to name a few , ticket checks to be in advance of arriving at turnstile areas .. exit gates rather than turnstiles used to enter grounds , increased catering outside , temp toilets outside , increased action on loitering in toilets , increase restriction on size of bags , allowing fans to able to bring limited supplies of their own food/ drink into the ground to reduce impact on concourses And let’s be honest some of those would be positive changes with or without COVID
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Post by stokiedan17 on Apr 4, 2021 15:46:47 GMT
How is that any different to being asked for id for purchasing alcohol or an 18 at the cinema ? That’s fine if you’re 18. I’m not. If I was repeatedly asked for ID in a pub I wouldn’t go in. So you’ve done your time you shouldn’t be id’d ever again ?
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 4, 2021 16:06:14 GMT
It was bad enough before all this shite! It’s no from me Again I don’t think ( hope ) it will come to overly restrictive changes Do I want it ..would I cut off my nose off to spite my face simply on principle , rather than the logistics of early arrival , staggered departures , again no .. Changes I expect to name a few , ticket checks to be in advance of arriving at turnstile areas .. exit gates rather than turnstiles used to enter grounds , increased catering outside , temp toilets outside , increased action on loitering in toilets , increase restriction on size of bags , allowing fans to able to bring limited supplies of their own food/ drink into the ground to reduce impact on concourses And let’s be honest some of those would be positive changes with or without COVID I don't buy into the 'cutting your nose off to spite your face' argument. I go to football to enjoy a collective experience with a group of mates. The football is a very small part of this (and being a Stoke supporter, often the worst part) but the whole shebang is what makes it - having a drink and a laugh with old pals, jumping up like a loon when goals go in, sharing a tired in-joke about a particular player, shouting and groaning etc. It's all this that makes the experience and all this that makes 'going the match' a core part of many people's lives. Should all of (or most of) the above-mentioned be removed and the whole thing become a highly regulated, sterile, rigmarole just to watch my team then why wouldn't I just stay at home and watch on a stream? Or better still, watch in the pub with those same mates, doing and enjoying the same things as described.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2021 16:35:59 GMT
Again I don’t think ( hope ) it will come to overly restrictive changes Do I want it ..would I cut off my nose off to spite my face simply on principle , rather than the logistics of early arrival , staggered departures , again no .. Changes I expect to name a few , ticket checks to be in advance of arriving at turnstile areas .. exit gates rather than turnstiles used to enter grounds , increased catering outside , temp toilets outside , increased action on loitering in toilets , increase restriction on size of bags , allowing fans to able to bring limited supplies of their own food/ drink into the ground to reduce impact on concourses And let’s be honest some of those would be positive changes with or without COVID I don't buy into the 'cutting your nose off to spite your face' argument. I go to football to enjoy a collective experience with a group of mates. The football is a very small part of this (and being a Stoke supporter, often the worst part) but the whole shebang is what makes it - having a drink and a laugh with old pals, jumping up like a loon when goals go in, sharing a tired in-joke about a particular player, shouting and groaning etc. It's all this that makes the experience and all this that makes 'going the match' a core part of many people's lives. Should all of (or most of) the above-mentioned be removed and the whole thing become a highly regulated, sterile, rigmarole just to watch my team then why wouldn't I just stay at home and watch on a stream? Or better still, watch in the pub with those same mates, doing and enjoying the same things as described. Well said👍🏻
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Post by Scouse on Apr 4, 2021 16:36:25 GMT
Again I don’t think ( hope ) it will come to overly restrictive changes Do I want it ..would I cut off my nose off to spite my face simply on principle , rather than the logistics of early arrival , staggered departures , again no .. Changes I expect to name a few , ticket checks to be in advance of arriving at turnstile areas .. exit gates rather than turnstiles used to enter grounds , increased catering outside , temp toilets outside , increased action on loitering in toilets , increase restriction on size of bags , allowing fans to able to bring limited supplies of their own food/ drink into the ground to reduce impact on concourses And let’s be honest some of those would be positive changes with or without COVID I don't buy into the 'cutting your nose off to spite your face' argument. I go to football to enjoy a collective experience with a group of mates. The football is a very small part of this (and being a Stoke supporter, often the worst part) but the whole shebang is what makes it - having a drink and a laugh with old pals, jumping up like a loon when goals go in, sharing a tired in-joke about a particular player, shouting and groaning etc. It's all this that makes the experience and all this that makes 'going the match' a core part of many people's lives. Should all of (or most of) the above-mentioned be removed and the whole thing become a highly regulated, sterile, rigmarole just to watch my team then why wouldn't I just stay at home and watch on a stream? Or better still, watch in the pub with those same mates, doing and enjoying the same things as described. It’s perhaps where we differ then ..so no surprise we’re slightly at odds .. I enjoy the beer and the social aspect (believe me hugely ) , but tbh whilst I’d prefer not to do without that I can and have.. as it’s the football and Stoke that are the driving force , not the other way around .., over the years there’s been times I’ve been able to do both to the full , but at others financially something has to to give ..football wins every time , some days are full blown , some are straight there and back .. it’s why I’m more than comfortable in followings of 30,000 or just 1 , me ( it has happened ) ..it takes all sorts , doesn’t make one better than the other ..I’m probably addicted to the football 😀 ( though last 12 months has weaned me off so not taking an opportunity to go , even if it’s only through a half open door is something I’d grab with both hands , not taking that opportunity? totally alien
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 17:32:01 GMT
When we eventually get back to full capacity grounds, what one thing would you like to see improved on the most?
Personally, I think a serious effort should be made to improve the food quality, prices and choice of food and drink.
Football supporters have been ripped off and been fed garbage in the grounds for long enough. I think a big change is needed in that field.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2021 17:40:52 GMT
went to a Hertha Berlin game last year whilst working, and the amount of quality food and beer stalls outside the ground was superb. There was traditional German fayre with the Bratwurst, Currywurst, Frikadellen etc then there was Mexican, Chinese, Indian and all sorts. Also beer tents with proper beer from all over. They also had a swimming pool with diving boards and slides although I’m not sure that’d go down too well down Stoke😀
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Post by Scouse on Apr 4, 2021 17:45:03 GMT
As above Without being flippant ..results Anything else is surely a lowly second .. but to answer as perhaps meant , still waiting for the enhanced food in the west upper that was ‘promised’ when we first moved..fire safety issues , though some addressed , still prevents that .. if there’s safety issues preventing cooking rather than warming items , then how close is that area to failing a fire safety certificate Although money will have been tight , it will be interesting to see if any major internal painting , maintenance , cleaning projects ( even touch ups ) has been carried out to the public areas ..it was looking tired in places , not least as money aside they’ve not had a better opportunity , with no fans to get in their way for months on end to complete projects without having to pack up every Thursday to ensure a safety certificate was approved for the Saturday ..I’m hoping to be surprised , I’m not holding my breath . unlike above ( germany ) English football sees catering as a low quality / big profit opportunity . all secondary in my book
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 4, 2021 17:56:20 GMT
Although money will have been tight , it will be interesting to see if any major internal painting , maintenance , cleaning projects ( even touch ups ) has been carried out to the public areas ..it was looking tired in places They were doing some superficial touch-ups when I was there earlier in the season but it didn't look like anything major was being undertaken. You'd have thought they'd have used the time without fans to get those knackered pink seats in the West Stand finally replaced (and sort out all that flaking paint on the outside of nearly every stand).
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Post by Scouse on Apr 4, 2021 18:13:18 GMT
Although money will have been tight , it will be interesting to see if any major internal painting , maintenance , cleaning projects ( even touch ups ) has been carried out to the public areas ..it was looking tired in places They were doing some superficial touch-ups when I was there earlier in the season but it didn't look like anything major was being undertaken. You'd have thought they'd have used the time without fans to get those knackered pink seats in the West Stand finally replaced (and sort out all that flaking paint on the outside of nearly every stand). The west stand seats were raised on the board event ..not happening yet due to cost , so I guess that means major works of any sort probably also a non starter Whilst I prefer a few beers in castle ( bridge street ale house and then down to London road Stoke ) and wouldn’t expect a full blown fan zone , it would be good if they could at least look at doing a craft beer bar outside ..not without issues to resolve , and doesn’t have to be all bells and whistles to start , but even Luton had one of these on our last visit ( they said it’d been a lot of safety hoops to jump through and people to convince first ..given it was open to the elements and a2ay fans but they’d persevered and run by people who knew their beer at pub prices
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2021 18:22:39 GMT
They were doing some superficial touch-ups when I was there earlier in the season but it didn't look like anything major was being undertaken. You'd have thought they'd have used the time without fans to get those knackered pink seats in the West Stand finally replaced (and sort out all that flaking paint on the outside of nearly every stand). The west stand seats were raised on the board event ..not happening yet due to cost , so I guess that means major works of any sort probably also a non starter Whilst I prefer a few beers in castle ( bridge street ale house and then down to London road Stoke ) and wouldn’t expect a full blown fan zone , it would be good if they could at least look at doing a craft beer bar outside ..not without issues to resolve , and doesn’t have to be all bells and whistles to start , but even Luton had one of these on our last visit ( they said it’d been a lot of safety hoops to jump through and people to convince first ..given it was open to the elements and a2ay fans but they’d persevered and run by people who knew their beer at pub prices I do wonder what “hoops” you have to jump through to set up a quality eatery outside the ground. You’d imagine there is big money to be made by doing it. There must be loads of red tape. Having said that, those dire burger vans seem to make it work. Maybe people are reluctant to set them up at a potentially volatile venue
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2021 18:24:09 GMT
Although money will have been tight , it will be interesting to see if any major internal painting , maintenance , cleaning projects ( even touch ups ) has been carried out to the public areas ..it was looking tired in places They were doing some superficial touch-ups when I was there earlier in the season but it didn't look like anything major was being undertaken. You'd have thought they'd have used the time without fans to get those knackered pink seats in the West Stand finally replaced (and sort out all that flaking paint on the outside of nearly every stand). Every time I drive past the ground I say “fucking hell the Brit could do with freshening up a bit”. Winds my Mrs up summat rotten because she knows I’m going to say it😏
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 4, 2021 18:31:13 GMT
I do wonder what “hoops” you have to jump through to set up a quality eatery outside the ground. You’d imagine there is big money to be made by doing it. There must be loads of red tape. Having said that, those dire burger vans seem to make it work. Not sure, but if you ever frequent those burger vans I can guarantee that quite a lot of stuff* will be jumping through your hoop later on in the evening. *molten brown slurry
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2021 18:33:38 GMT
I do wonder what “hoops” you have to jump through to set up a quality eatery outside the ground. You’d imagine there is big money to be made by doing it. There must be loads of red tape. Having said that, those dire burger vans seem to make it work. Not sure, but if you ever frequent those burger vans I can guarantee that quite a lot of stuff* will be jumping through your hoop later on in the evening. *molten brown slurry A flock of sparrows. Not to be confused with the A Flock of Seagulls tribute act.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 4, 2021 18:36:24 GMT
went to a Hertha Berlin game last year whilst working, and the amount of quality food and beer stalls outside the ground was superb. There was traditional German fayre with the Bratwurst, Currywurst, Frikadellen etc then there was Mexican, Chinese, Indian and all sorts. Also beer tents with proper beer from all over. They also had a swimming pool with diving boards and slides although I’m not sure that’d go down too well down Stoke😀 They have lots of space around their ground to accommodate the food stalls and fanzone - most football grounds, including the Beta 365 have very lttle space to use Worth a stadium tour of you ever get the chance to visit - lots of history from staging the 1936 Summer Olympics to modern day European football
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 4, 2021 18:53:24 GMT
I don't buy into the 'cutting your nose off to spite your face' argument. I go to football to enjoy a collective experience with a group of mates. The football is a very small part of this (and being a Stoke supporter, often the worst part) but the whole shebang is what makes it - having a drink and a laugh with old pals, jumping up like a loon when goals go in, sharing a tired in-joke about a particular player, shouting and groaning etc. It's all this that makes the experience and all this that makes 'going the match' a core part of many people's lives. Should all of (or most of) the above-mentioned be removed and the whole thing become a highly regulated, sterile, rigmarole just to watch my team then why wouldn't I just stay at home and watch on a stream? Or better still, watch in the pub with those same mates, doing and enjoying the same things as described. It’s perhaps where we differ then ..so no surprise we’re slightly at odds .. I enjoy the beer and the social aspect (believe me hugely ) , but tbh whilst I’d prefer not to do without that I can and have.. as it’s the football and Stoke that are the driving force , not the other way around .., over the years there’s been times I’ve been able to do both to the full , but at others financially something has to to give ..football wins every time , some days are full blown , some are straight there and back .. it’s why I’m more than comfortable in followings of 30,000 or just 1 , me ( it has happened ) ..it takes all sorts , doesn’t make one better than the other ..I’m probably addicted to the football 😀 ( though last 12 months has weaned me off so not taking an opportunity to go , even if it’s only through a half open door is something I’d grab with both hands , not taking that opportunity? totally alien I used to be like that but as mentioned you can watch the game on a stream tv ETC and it's all about the day for me, if I can't meet up with me mates and enjoy the whole experience at the match, if not I'll meet up with my mates have a laugh a beer and watch the game in the garden on the TV with the lads!
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Post by Scrotnig on Apr 4, 2021 19:27:01 GMT
That’s fine if you’re 18. I’m not. If I was repeatedly asked for ID in a pub I wouldn’t go in. So you’ve done your time you shouldn’t be id’d ever again ? I wouldn't frequent any pub that asks for my ID no. In normal times however, that would just be a pub doing what it does and not keeping any record, which is arguably not so bad. What's being proposed is using an app that tracks and records your movements, makes those movements available to the government or any other interested party they care to share it with, and also reveals details of your medical history to whoever checks it. No. No. No.
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Post by bingbang on Apr 4, 2021 20:02:35 GMT
So you’ve done your time you shouldn’t be id’d ever again ? I wouldn't frequent any pub that asks for my ID no. In normal times however, that would just be a pub doing what it does and not keeping any record, which is arguably not so bad. What's being proposed is using an app that tracks and records your movements, makes those movements available to the government or any other interested party they care to share it with, and also reveals details of your medical history to whoever checks it. No. No. No. What’s the problem if you have nothing to hide?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 4, 2021 20:25:34 GMT
went to a Hertha Berlin game last year whilst working, and the amount of quality food and beer stalls outside the ground was superb. There was traditional German fayre with the Bratwurst, Currywurst, Frikadellen etc then there was Mexican, Chinese, Indian and all sorts. Also beer tents with proper beer from all over. They also had a swimming pool with diving boards and slides although I’m not sure that’d go down too well down Stoke😀 Did they have showers? Asking for a Vale friend
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 4, 2021 20:28:19 GMT
I wouldn't frequent any pub that asks for my ID no. In normal times however, that would just be a pub doing what it does and not keeping any record, which is arguably not so bad. What's being proposed is using an app that tracks and records your movements, makes those movements available to the government or any other interested party they care to share it with, and also reveals details of your medical history to whoever checks it. No. No. No. What’s the problem if you have nothing to hide? What happens your data, for example, what if your life insurance premium go up coz you’re in the pub 5 nights a week. It’s an intrusion into you privacy and when herd immunity is achieved why is it even needed?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 4, 2021 20:30:32 GMT
So you’ve done your time you shouldn’t be id’d ever again ? I wouldn't frequent any pub that asks for my ID no. In normal times however, that would just be a pub doing what it does and not keeping any record, which is arguably not so bad. What's being proposed is using an app that tracks and records your movements, makes those movements available to the government or any other interested party they care to share it with, and also reveals details of your medical history to whoever checks it. No. No. No. You didn’t have an ID card then for away games a few years back🤔
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Post by bingbang on Apr 4, 2021 20:38:08 GMT
What’s the problem if you have nothing to hide? What happens your data, for example, what if your life insurance premium go up coz you’re in the pub 5 nights a week. It’s an intrusion into you privacy and when herd immunity is achieved why is it even needed? I suggest you never take your mobile out of the house then, if anybody wanted to they could trace your steps via your mobile provider.
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 4, 2021 20:59:59 GMT
Although money will have been tight , it will be interesting to see if any major internal painting , maintenance , cleaning projects ( even touch ups ) has been carried out to the public areas ..it was looking tired in places They were doing some superficial touch-ups when I was there earlier in the season but it didn't look like anything major was being undertaken. You'd have thought they'd have used the time without fans to get those knackered pink seats in the West Stand finally replaced (and sort out all that flaking paint on the outside of nearly every stand). Can you point out who does the superficial touch ups please.
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Post by Scrotnig on Apr 4, 2021 21:14:00 GMT
I wouldn't frequent any pub that asks for my ID no. In normal times however, that would just be a pub doing what it does and not keeping any record, which is arguably not so bad. What's being proposed is using an app that tracks and records your movements, makes those movements available to the government or any other interested party they care to share it with, and also reveals details of your medical history to whoever checks it. No. No. No. What’s the problem if you have nothing to hide? "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" - one of the most dangerous phrases in the English language. If you genuinely cannot see the problem there's little I can do to educate you, you're just going to have to wait until it bites you hard and then you'll realise what so many people are trying to tell you.
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 4, 2021 21:24:22 GMT
They were doing some superficial touch-ups when I was there earlier in the season but it didn't look like anything major was being undertaken. You'd have thought they'd have used the time without fans to get those knackered pink seats in the West Stand finally replaced (and sort out all that flaking paint on the outside of nearly every stand). Can you point out who does the superficial touch ups please. Sam Vokes
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