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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 13, 2021 16:53:35 GMT
Why can’t the manager see that they can’t play together?
This is the issue with this side. We have an engine room that is absolutely fucked.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Mar 13, 2021 16:55:09 GMT
Why can’t the manager see that they can’t play together? This is the issue with this side. We have an engine room that is absolutely fucked. I would love someone to ask the question "do they have play if they are fit" contracts because thats the only fathomable reason I can think of?!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 13, 2021 16:56:12 GMT
I'm sure they are both great characters but they were a million miles off the pace again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 13, 2021 16:56:23 GMT
Why can’t the manager see that they can’t play together? This is the issue with this side. We have an engine room that is absolutely fucked. I would love someone to ask the question "do they have pay if they are fit" contracts because thats the only fathomable reason I can think of?! I don’t think they do. More worryingly I think he genuinely loves them both.
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Post by onionman on Mar 13, 2021 16:57:18 GMT
Joe Allen’s pathetic surrendering of possession for the third goal, on the back of yet another abysmal performance, should be enough for him to be consigned to the under 23s for the rest of his ridiculously luxurious contract. I wish.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Mar 13, 2021 16:57:44 GMT
I would love someone to ask the question "do they have pay if they are fit" contracts because thats the only fathomable reason I can think of?! I don’t think they do. More worryingly I think he genuinely loves them both. Just edited to 'Play if they're fit" but its beyond me Bayern...Its not even an engine, its just an oxygen void
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Post by damagedswan on Mar 13, 2021 16:58:04 GMT
I thought Mikel started the season reasonably well but he's barely on the pitch any more. Allen I'm continually baffled by. We ended up effectively playing Powell and Souttar at centre-mid today. Ridiculous.
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Post by dingdongbell on Mar 13, 2021 16:58:24 GMT
Why can’t the manager see that they can’t play together? This is the issue with this side. We have an engine room that is absolutely fucked. I would love someone to ask the question "do they have pay if they are fit" contracts because thats the only fathomable reason I can think of?! It must be contractual, even Mikel and Allen must be bewildered as to how they keep getting selected . Maybe £80k plus a week has something to do with it
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 13, 2021 17:00:22 GMT
I would love someone to ask the question "do they have pay if they are fit" contracts because thats the only fathomable reason I can think of?! I don’t think they do. More worryingly I think he genuinely loves them both. The contractual clause of 'play when fit' that gets touted regularly is clearly untrue. If it was so who gets to say when a player is fit? Certainly not that player themself. So it wouldn't be a meaningful clause anyway. It's obvious they're being selected and that fact clearly rests on the manager's decision.
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Post by dingdongbell on Mar 13, 2021 17:00:53 GMT
Joe Allen’s pathetic surrendering of possession for the third goal, on the back of yet another abysmal performance, should be enough for him to be consigned to the under 23s for the rest of his ridiculously luxurious contract. I wish. You wish and so do the thousands of other Stoke fans who have removed the blinkers , won’t happen though .
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Post by dastokie on Mar 13, 2021 17:02:34 GMT
Joe bloody Allen enough said 5 years
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 13, 2021 17:03:16 GMT
I would love someone to ask the question "do they have pay if they are fit" contracts because thats the only fathomable reason I can think of?! It must be contractual, even Mikel and Allen must be bewildered as to how they keep getting selected . Maybe £80k plus a week has something to do with it Why must it? Why can’t people stomach that the manager might have a blind spot with it? It’s way more likely than this contract thing that seems a completely made up thing?
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 13, 2021 17:03:50 GMT
Both are very poor but I'd have Mikel starting over Allen every time. At least he offers a presence of sorts and finds a teammate with a pass, Allen has been woeful since his return from injury. They both need dropping and Cousins recalled.
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Post by stokemark on Mar 13, 2021 17:05:19 GMT
They are so exposed in that formation it is untrue
I am seriously worried as about the managers judgement, decision making, tactical nouse and ability in the transfer market
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 13, 2021 17:05:29 GMT
I don’t think they do. More worryingly I think he genuinely loves them both. The contractual clause of 'play when fit' that gets touted regularly is clearly untrue. If it was so who gets to say when a player is fit? Certainly not that player themself. So it wouldn't be a meaningful clause anyway. It's obvious they're being selected and that fact clearly rests on the manager's decision. Indeed. It’s like a conspiracy theory. People can’t face the truth that is more plausible but hard to swallow!
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Post by milky on Mar 13, 2021 17:08:41 GMT
At least you can see glimpses occasionally why Mikel has played at the very top level.
Joe Allen yet again personifies mediocrity, looks ok against your Wycombes but completely found wanting against even the average teams.
I've used that word mediocre a lot today ,but it sums us up as a club IMO.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 13, 2021 17:09:23 GMT
The reality is their best days have gone
Mikel had some very good days
Allen, well maybe for Wales but not for Stoke I'm afraid, we have always struggled with him in the team.
Other players in this Championship are too lively for them and think quicker.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 13, 2021 17:12:48 GMT
Why can’t the manager see that they can’t play together? This is the issue with this side. We have an engine room that is absolutely fucked. I agree that they shouldn't be playing together but this thread will now be flooded with complaints about Mikel yet he is easily the best midfielder at the club and he played well again today. He has to do way too much because the others alongside him are incapable of doing their jobs. Allen is rubbish, Clarke is a Tom Ince Tribute act and Brown is an absolute joke. Powell has to drop way too deep to fill the gaps the other 3 leave behind.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 13, 2021 17:13:34 GMT
They are so exposed in that formation it is untrue I am seriously worried as about the managers judgement, decision making, tactical nouse and ability in the transfer market Hold on a minute. 4-2-3-1 is what everyone has been demanding forever and a day.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Mar 13, 2021 17:15:00 GMT
Fed up of saying it but we'll do nothing with joe Allen as our midfield general.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 13, 2021 17:16:29 GMT
Why can’t the manager see that they can’t play together? This is the issue with this side. We have an engine room that is absolutely fucked. I agree that they shouldn't be playing together but this thread will now be flooded with complaints about Mikel yet he is easily the best midfielder at the club and he played well again today. He has to do way too much because the others alongside him are incapable of doing their jobs. Allen is rubbish, Clarke is a Tom Ince Tribute act and Brown is an absolute joke. Powell has to drop way too deep to fill the gaps the other 3 leave behind. I don’t think he played well today at all sorry.
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Post by ibby on Mar 13, 2021 17:16:56 GMT
Mikel legs have gone.
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Post by butlerstbob on Mar 13, 2021 17:18:20 GMT
I shall don my tin hat here and say Joe Allen has been a very bad signing for us! Created more issues than any other player I can remember!! How many managers are going to shoehorn him into the side at all costs and pay the price?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 13, 2021 17:18:55 GMT
I agree that they shouldn't be playing together but this thread will now be flooded with complaints about Mikel yet he is easily the best midfielder at the club and he played well again today. He has to do way too much because the others alongside him are incapable of doing their jobs. Allen is rubbish, Clarke is a Tom Ince Tribute act and Brown is an absolute joke. Powell has to drop way too deep to fill the gaps the other 3 leave behind. I don’t think he played well today at all sorry. Each to their own. We had 62% possession and dominated large chucks of the game. Someone in the team had to have had a decent game to have given us the platform we had in the game. That man, for me, was Mikel. He can't do it all on his own and make no mistake, he is playing in there on his own.
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Post by christhepotter on Mar 13, 2021 17:23:16 GMT
I don’t think he played well today at all sorry. Each to their own. We had 62% possession and dominated large chucks of the game. Someone in the team had to have had a decent game to have given us the platform we had in the game. That man, for me, was Mikel. He can't do it all on his own and make no mistake, he is playing in there on his own. Wasn’t his worse game but wasn’t good either 4.5/10
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Post by RonnieStokie on Mar 13, 2021 17:33:40 GMT
A lot has been said about our decline since we signed Joe Allen, so I've just been sad enough to research the stats.
Joe Allen has played 175 games for us. We've won 44. Drawn 56. Lost 75.
Win percentage of 25.14% Loss percentage of 42.86%
Mark Hughes' win percentage with us was 35.5% Michael O'Neil's win percentage 39%
Make of that what you will...
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Post by dingdongbell on Mar 13, 2021 17:35:53 GMT
Fed up of saying it but we'll do nothing with joe Allen as our midfield general. Midfield General ? More like a Private in Dads Army .
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 13, 2021 17:41:28 GMT
I don’t think he played well today at all sorry. Each to their own. We had 62% possession and dominated large chucks of the game. Someone in the team had to have had a decent game to have given us the platform we had in the game. That man, for me, was Mikel. He can't do it all on his own and make no mistake, he is playing in there on his own. I think the problem with Mikel is there’s no doubt he’s got quality but he’s not mobile enough for the championship and can’t keep up when the balls turned over. I’d like to see him play more forward passes. He’s got it in him but invariably he goes back or sideways. We did have plenty of posession but what did we do with it. It’s no good having 62 percent of the ball if you do nothing with it. Other than the odd set piece chance we pretty much did nothing of note. Some of that of course is down to what’s in front of him but not all.
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Post by themistocles on Mar 13, 2021 17:42:09 GMT
Theyll start next week alongside Brown.
Because MON...
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 13, 2021 17:43:49 GMT
Why can’t the manager see that they can’t play together? This is the issue with this side. We have an engine room that is absolutely fucked. Correction above. MIKEL should have retired some time ago. Posters used to post on here that ALLEN runs around like a headless chicken and is effectual. He is now just ineffectual.
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