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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 13, 2021 17:46:50 GMT
Why can’t the manager see that they can’t play together? This is the issue with this side. We have an engine room that is absolutely fucked. Correction above. MIKEL should have retired some time ago. Posters used to post on here that ALLEN runs around like a headless chicken and is effectual. He is now just ineffectual. I think it might be ok if it was just one of them though. But yes ideally neither should play.
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Post by onionman on Mar 13, 2021 17:47:19 GMT
I shall don my tin hat here and say Joe Allen has been a very bad signing for us! Created more issues than any other player I can remember!! How many managers are going to shoehorn him into the side at all costs and pay the price? Tin hat? That’s like wearing your tin hat to say that the world is round.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 17:49:13 GMT
Baffling to see those two in when I saw the line up at 2pm.
I think that defeat is on the manager today for starting these two clowns.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 13, 2021 17:59:06 GMT
Seeing as Clark is our only moderately effective winger why not play a 3 man midfield and let Tommy Smith and Norrington Davies be attacking fullbacks. Might also help Clark to relinquish defensive duties which he obviously isn't comfortable with. Thompson or Cousins are much better players than Rabbi or Brown.
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Post by dastokie on Mar 13, 2021 18:58:39 GMT
He has assisted in three goals in the last 4 games for the opposition t
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 13, 2021 19:46:53 GMT
Why can’t the manager see that they can’t play together? This is the issue with this side. We have an engine room that is absolutely fucked. This is the issue with the side? So replace one and we get to the play offs?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 13, 2021 19:47:51 GMT
Why can’t the manager see that they can’t play together? This is the issue with this side. We have an engine room that is absolutely fucked. This is the issue with the side? So replace one and we get to the play offs? I think we’d have at least 6 more points yes. And that would take us to a few off the play offs.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 13, 2021 19:49:23 GMT
This is the issue with the side? So replace one and we get to the play offs? I think we’d have at least 6 more points yes. And that would take us to a few off the play offs. In which games did we lose the 6pts due to their partnership?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 13, 2021 19:50:23 GMT
They are so exposed in that formation it is untrue I am seriously worried as about the managers judgement, decision making, tactical nouse and ability in the transfer market Hold on a minute. 4-2-3-1 is what everyone has been demanding forever and a day. And it's the right one to use, its the players being picked to play in it thats a problem.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 13, 2021 19:57:36 GMT
Each to their own. We had 62% possession and dominated large chucks of the game. Someone in the team had to have had a decent game to have given us the platform we had in the game. That man, for me, was Mikel. He can't do it all on his own and make no mistake, he is playing in there on his own. I think the problem with Mikel is there’s no doubt he’s got quality but he’s not mobile enough for the championship and can’t keep up when the balls turned over. I’d like to see him play more forward passes. He’s got it in him but invariably he goes back or sideways. We did have plenty of posession but what did we do with it. It’s no good having 62 percent of the ball if you do nothing with it. Other than the odd set piece chance we pretty much did nothing of note. Some of that of course is down to what’s in front of him but not all. The reason he gets turned over so often is that he gets 2 or 3 players on him and absolutely no Stoke player offering an outlet for him so he's left trying to keep possession against at least 2 opposition players. His quality means he won't just hoof it anywhere. When it's the other way round and another Stoke player has the ball in a difficult situation Mikel never hides and offers an easy ball out for them. It would be interesting to find out his average number of touches per game as my impression is that other than the centre halves he has more of the ball than anyone else.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 13, 2021 20:19:53 GMT
I think the problem with Mikel is there’s no doubt he’s got quality but he’s not mobile enough for the championship and can’t keep up when the balls turned over. I’d like to see him play more forward passes. He’s got it in him but invariably he goes back or sideways. We did have plenty of posession but what did we do with it. It’s no good having 62 percent of the ball if you do nothing with it. Other than the odd set piece chance we pretty much did nothing of note. Some of that of course is down to what’s in front of him but not all. The reason he gets turned over so often is that he gets 2 or 3 players on him and absolutely no Stoke player offering an outlet for him so he's left trying to keep possession against at least 2 opposition players. His quality means he won't just hoof it anywhere. When it's the other way round and another Stoke player has the ball in a difficult situation Mikel never hides and offers an easy ball out for them. It would be interesting to find out his average number of touches per game as my impression is that other than the centre halves he has more of the ball than anyone else. Yes, for a while now opposing teams have clocked him as a point of weakness and targeted him in their press because he’s slow. He had a good game against Wycombe because they didn’t do that.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 14, 2021 8:27:24 GMT
It seems to pass on from manager to manager at this club the absolute obsession or playing 'experienced' pros.
Tbh our whole attitude towards this division since our relegation has been wrong. We have prioritised british or british based players after the failures of Imbula Jese etc. That ignores that also around that time the likes of Johnson, Fletcher, Adam were stinking the place out too.
No other club in this division pays the wages we do to Allen & Mikel which therefore justifies selection in this team.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 9:39:58 GMT
McNair did the job of both of them yesterday.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 20, 2021 19:54:22 GMT
I thought Allen was better today and not giving free kicks away like Tuesday. He was mobile and getting into some useful positions.
Mikel continues to add very little to me. Walking footballer, creates nothing , offers nothing defensively. I think his signing was worth a punt, but a big mistake as it turns out. His presence is impeding the development of young players.
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 20, 2021 20:06:34 GMT
I thought Allen was better today and not giving free kicks away like Tuesday. He was mobile and getting into some useful positions. Mikel continues to add very little to me. Walking footballer, creates nothing , offers nothing defensively. I think his signing was worth a punt, but a big mistake as it turns out. His presence is impeding the development of young players. Allen seems to be doing ok in the first half of games but his jaw hits the floor 10 mins into the 2nd half - not sure why this is. Thought Mikel had a good game today and first half both Allen and Mikel added a bit of much-needed quality - getting the foot on the ball and bossing the midfield. Thompson also had a decent game - in fact, our midfield dominated that game from start to finish. Would love to see a younger version of Mikel though - not sure where we are going to find one. Also, love to see Mikel try and drive/pass forward a bit more in games as he looks a handful when he gets his head up and forays/passes forward.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 20, 2021 20:27:13 GMT
I thought they both played well today tbh.
Controlled the game and passed it around nicely.
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 22, 2021 12:35:24 GMT
Mikel appears to have shaken off his poor mid season form and is protecting the ball well in possession (l just worry when opposing players run at him). Joe is still unable to get back his pre-injury form. I'd be happy to rotate them and see what happens come the end of the season. l fear that Cousins will need to be sacrificed for financial reasons, come the summer, to enable his salary to be put toward one of the 'free' centre mids we are presumably monitoring.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 23, 2021 9:23:35 GMT
This should be fun......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 9:44:22 GMT
Mikel appears to have shaken off his poor mid season form and is protecting the ball well in possession (l just worry when opposing players run at him). Joe is still unable to get back his pre-injury form. I'd be happy to rotate them and see what happens come the end of the season. l fear that Cousins will need to be sacrificed for financial reasons, come the summer, to enable his salary to be put toward one of the 'free' centre mids we are presumably monitoring. I'm not an Allen fan, so why should I defend him. I will anyway, because he's not going to get back to his pre-injury form until he has a full pre season training behind him, and even then it could take longer, because he also has to put the doubt in his mind behind him. We should support our players when they go through hell, but I sometimes get the feeling support is an alien act to some supporters... Just wait and see what happens if Campbell doesn't hit the ground running when he comes back...?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 23, 2021 10:13:20 GMT
Mikel appears to have shaken off his poor mid season form and is protecting the ball well in possession (l just worry when opposing players run at him). Joe is still unable to get back his pre-injury form. I'd be happy to rotate them and see what happens come the end of the season. l fear that Cousins will need to be sacrificed for financial reasons, come the summer, to enable his salary to be put toward one of the 'free' centre mids we are presumably monitoring. I'm not an Allen fan, so why should I defend him. I will anyway, because he's not going to get back to his pre-injury form until he has a full pre season training behind him, and even then it could take longer, because he also has to put the doubt in his mind behind him. We should support our players when they go through hell, but I sometimes get the feeling support is an alien act to some supporters... Just wait and see what happens if Campbell doesn't hit the ground running when he comes back...? Very salient points. Exactly my thinking on both, in particular Campbell.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2021 10:19:47 GMT
Allen was shit before and shit after his injury.
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 23, 2021 10:19:55 GMT
I am still very much of the opinion that Allen doesn't offer any more than the other midfielders do, the difference being, the financial drain that he is.
I don't mind him but I cannot escape the fact that he would still command a decent fee in the transfer market and will be on one of, if not, the biggest wage in the current squad.
Please sell.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 23, 2021 19:10:50 GMT
MON :
"As a squad and team we have improved this season quite a bit"
Really??
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 23, 2021 19:25:03 GMT
MON : "As a squad and team we have improved this season quite a bit" Really?? I would agree wholeheartedly with him. Suffer this seasons injuries last season and our biggest games of the season would have been Sunderland and Accrington Stanley away
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2021 20:20:37 GMT
Mikel appears to have shaken off his poor mid season form and is protecting the ball well in possession (l just worry when opposing players run at him). Joe is still unable to get back his pre-injury form. I'd be happy to rotate them and see what happens come the end of the season. l fear that Cousins will need to be sacrificed for financial reasons, come the summer, to enable his salary to be put toward one of the 'free' centre mids we are presumably monitoring. Mikel's had two good games on the bounce for me because, as you say, he's protected the ball well and passed forwards. It's given us a way to cut through a press. In a midfield 2 though I didn't notice the same forward passing as much and he's lazy at tracking back, leaving us vulnerable. One of the Jordans for defensive energy plus Allen's forward running is a better pair for me. Both of them in a two man MF is guaranteed to break down sometime in the 30-65 minute window.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 23, 2021 21:23:11 GMT
JOM saying he wants to carry on playing for 3-4 years! theathletic.co.uk/2453979/“I want to carry on playing for another three-four years, whatever it is. And then? I would love to go back to Chelsea in some way, in some capacity. But that’s a conversation to be had another day.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 23, 2021 21:35:32 GMT
JOM saying he wants to carry on playing for 3-4 years! theathletic.co.uk/2453979/“I want to carry on playing for another three-four years, whatever it is. And then? I would love to go back to Chelsea in some way, in some capacity. But that’s a conversation to be had another day. Totally deluded. He's never been the brightest button has he.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 23, 2021 21:36:20 GMT
JOM saying he wants to carry on playing for 3-4 years! theathletic.co.uk/2453979/“I want to carry on playing for another three-four years, whatever it is. And then? I would love to go back to Chelsea in some way, in some capacity. But that’s a conversation to be had another day. Is he aware that his legs stopped playing two years ago?
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 24, 2021 0:02:55 GMT
JOM saying he wants to carry on playing for 3-4 years! theathletic.co.uk/2453979/“I want to carry on playing for another three-four years, ***whatever it is***. And then? I would love to go back to Chelsea in some way, in some capacity. But that’s a conversation to be had another day. Golf?
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Post by potterpaul on Mar 24, 2021 2:21:21 GMT
This should be fun...... This post isn't about Joe "Please get the fuck out of my club" Allen, it's more about the total hogwash our current manager is increasingly coming out with during his guided questioning. If he wants to fool the lemmings with a spiel about improvements over this season surely there are much better players he could use for examples. Powell for instant, who has single-handedly seen us get the points we've needed. Fletcher, who I'm personally not that overly impressed with but has given us the movement in the forward line. Cousins who's defensive midfield performances helped create a solid backline. The goalkeepers Davies and Bursik have been superb for us generally all season and the emergence of Collins, Souttar and Campbell(to an extent). As expected there are few who pipe up with little Joe not being the same since injury and he continues to fool people that he's worthy of a regular starting birth. It's Bollocks and I find it hard to give my full support to MON while he shows himself to be the biggest fool of them all, only surviving my full wrath due to his efforts of last season.
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