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Post by Championship Potter on Mar 1, 2021 22:46:59 GMT
Hughes is responsible for the investment and also ensuring that the players give a shit- complete failure But but but he gave us 3 9th place trophies then proceeded to destroy our club with shit transfers in and out, lost us our PL status with the assistance of our board of directors all in all were those 3 9th place trophies worth it really ? he will be remembered as a failure that damaged our club for the foreseeable future, never mind the happy clappers can polish those 9th place trophies to console themselves as we watch the likes of Mikel and Jacob Brown gracing the field. Would he be remembered as a failure if another manager had come in and kept us up? We were still outside the bottom 3 when he was sacked. One bad half season doesn’t erase 3 seasons of excellence.
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Post by bingbang on Mar 1, 2021 22:50:08 GMT
I would have Hughes back now as a centre forward, he would be better than the wardrobe even now.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 1, 2021 22:58:28 GMT
Because in his semi-final he got Liverpool and in Tone's he got Bolton. You've ducked the question again, if 9th is so mediocre and unimpressive, why couldn't Tone manage it? Tp (or dickhead Hughes) can't influence who they do/do not draw in the cup! Tone didn't get 9th, so what, do t think that he'll lose any sleep over this. Don't think that in 30/40 years I'll be telling my kids/grandkids that we had 3 9th place finishes. It'll be the two days out at Wembley, Europe (Valencia inparticular) So you wont be telling them about the day we beat Liverpool 6-1 in Gerrards last game, either? Or the day we played Man city off the park followed not long after by doing likewise to the shit on Boxing day. Or the epic 4-3 win at Everton Its amazing what short memories these Hughes haters have
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Post by StatesideStokie on Mar 1, 2021 23:08:43 GMT
I would have Hughes back now as a centre forward, he would be better than the wardrobe even now. 100% this. Sure, the Hughes era ended on a sour note and will always be tarnished by some truly appalling recruitment, but he was also responsible for some of the best performances in my lifetime as a Stoke fan. He gave us a glimpse of a Stoke side that could trade blows with some of the very best and come out on top, not just physically, but in real footballing terms. It was a fleeting glimpse, but it was fucking glorious while it lasted.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 1, 2021 23:40:08 GMT
It’s actually embarrassing how mad you all get on here about Ex-managers. It’s okay to like both Pulis and Hughes, you know. They can be enjoyed side by side, there doesn’t have to be a best one!
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Post by damagedswan on Mar 1, 2021 23:49:29 GMT
For the rest of my life I will be happily reminiscing about staying up against the odds, reaching an FA Cup Final, and having a Europa League run - AS WELL AS watching the likes of N'Zonzi, Bojan, Arnautovic and Shaqiri (plus Adam, Whelan and Walters of course) play pretty much the best football I've seen Stoke play in my lifetime for 3 seasons.
I was also sick to the back teeth of both Pulis and Hughes by the time they had gone.
You don't have to pick one.
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Post by onionman on Mar 2, 2021 0:26:00 GMT
I would have Hughes back now as a centre forward, he would be better than the wardrobe even now. I would have Pulis back as a centre forward instead of the wardrobe.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 2, 2021 6:32:37 GMT
That we scored very few goals and for a lot of the time it was boring as shit, was it that obscure? Think he spent a fortune while achieving it too. No he didn’t. The greatest bargain in our history was the money TP spent to get us from the lower reaches of the 2nd Division to the Prem, an FA Cup Final and Europe. Other managers spent more on the reverse journey. Outspent only by Chelsea and Man C to turn us until the lowest scorers in all 4 divisions, genius.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 2, 2021 7:04:47 GMT
I can't dislike Hughes, clearly not in the way some of you do.
I was happy too many times when he was manager.
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Post by a on Mar 2, 2021 7:31:04 GMT
You can’t ignore 9th,9th,9th. Also seeing Arnautovic Bojan and Shaqiri pulling apart teams was a joy. The wheels came off when we invested poorly and then it seemed that the players stopping giving a shit (or around 50% did). Hughes is responsible for the investment and also ensuring that the players give a shit- complete failure I’d have to take your word on that. I’ve read so many variations of how we go about getting a player that I don’t know what to believe! Either way the shite that came in certainly played a part in our demise, and continue to hamper us even now!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 2, 2021 7:38:42 GMT
Hughes is responsible for the investment and also ensuring that the players give a shit- complete failure But but but he gave us 3 9th place trophies then proceeded to destroy our club with shit transfers in and out, lost us our PL status with the assistance of our board of directors all in all were those 3 9th place trophies worth it really ? he will be remembered as a failure that damaged our club for the foreseeable future, never mind the happy clappers can polish those 9th place trophies to console themselves as we watch the likes of Mikel and Jacob Brown gracing the field. Yeah it must have been tough watching us out football all the top teams at some point or other during his tenure.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 2, 2021 8:00:00 GMT
But but but he gave us 3 9th place trophies then proceeded to destroy our club with shit transfers in and out, lost us our PL status with the assistance of our board of directors all in all were those 3 9th place trophies worth it really ? he will be remembered as a failure that damaged our club for the foreseeable future, never mind the happy clappers can polish those 9th place trophies to console themselves as we watch the likes of Mikel and Jacob Brown gracing the field. Yeah it must have been tough watching us out football all the top teams at some point or other during his tenure. It's always funny how the same people who bemoan us not being careful what we wished for and say things like "I'd give my eye teeth for 17th place in the Premier League now" are almost invariably the same ones who dismiss a top half top flight finish (in seasons where we routinely beat the best clubs in the country) as less than nothing. It's like a cult.
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Post by slicko on Mar 2, 2021 8:07:19 GMT
Is there a club whose fans are more obsessed with former managers than Stoke? Four running threads on ex-managers (and that's not counting the Cotterill one), two of them not even worth a second of your thoughts. The North West Pickled Chutney Club. Their previous managers were Harry Hill, Miriam Margoyles and Dame Barbara Woodhouse. They never shut-up about it.
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Post by a on Mar 2, 2021 8:15:19 GMT
No he didn’t. The greatest bargain in our history was the money TP spent to get us from the lower reaches of the 2nd Division to the Prem, an FA Cup Final and Europe. Other managers spent more on the reverse journey. Outspent only by Chelsea and Man C to turn us until the lowest scorers in all 4 divisions, genius. march4 is this true?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 2, 2021 8:19:30 GMT
Yeah it must have been tough watching us out football all the top teams at some point or other during his tenure. It's always funny how the same people who bemoan us not being careful what we wished for and say things like "I'd give my eye teeth for 17th place in the Premier League now" are almost invariably the same ones who dismiss a top half top flight finish (in seasons where we routinely beat the best clubs in the country) as less than nothing. It's like a cult. I'd say the hapless mismanagement of the club after relegation was more damaging than relegation itself. The scandalous Rowett signings, squandering over 50 million followed up by Jones who frankly didn't have a fucking clue what he was doing, making more bizarre signings. We didn't need to sign 5 new donkeys up front. We should have gone with Diouf with Bojan in behind him backed up by two fast wide man. I still think the Bauer situation is tragic. As a right winger or wing back, he could have been a really effective player for us. Don't get me wrong, there was poison in that relegation squad but we didn't need to go on a spending spree that has undoubtedly contributed to at least 3 years of playing dour, dreadfully uneasy on the eye football in the championship... Possibly a lot longer.
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Post by webbyscfc on Mar 2, 2021 9:09:52 GMT
Tp (or dickhead Hughes) can't influence who they do/do not draw in the cup! Tone didn't get 9th, so what, do t think that he'll lose any sleep over this. Don't think that in 30/40 years I'll be telling my kids/grandkids that we had 3 9th place finishes. It'll be the two days out at Wembley, Europe (Valencia inparticular) So you wont be telling them about the day we beat Liverpool 6-1 in Gerrards last game, either? Or the day we played Man city off the park followed not long after by doing likewise to the shit on Boxing day. Or the epic 4-3 win at Everton Its amazing what short memories these Hughes haters have Any manager can have one off games where we play teams off the park or get big wins, but what actually did Hughes achieve with us? Apart from kick starting our demise when the disintegrating of the foundations Pulis built happened under his watch. Are you going to tell the story of beating Liverpool 6-1 over being promoted to the premier league? Are you going to tell the story of beating Everton 4-3 over our only ever FA Cup final appearance? Are you going to tell the story of beating a poor Man Utd side at the time over a European adventure? Again I ask, what did Hughes actually achieve here? 3 9th placed finishes is not an achievement in my opinion.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 2, 2021 9:13:19 GMT
It’s actually embarrassing how mad you all get on here about Ex-managers. It’s okay to like both Pulis and Hughes, you know. They can be enjoyed side by side, there doesn’t have to be a best one! That Jock Rutherford was a waste of space..........
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 2, 2021 9:24:29 GMT
So you wont be telling them about the day we beat Liverpool 6-1 in Gerrards last game, either? Or the day we played Man city off the park followed not long after by doing likewise to the shit on Boxing day. Or the epic 4-3 win at Everton Its amazing what short memories these Hughes haters have Any manager can have one off games where we play teams off the park or get big wins, but what actually did Hughes achieve with us? Apart from kick starting our demise when the disintegrating of the foundations Pulis built happened under his watch. Are you going to tell the story of beating Liverpool 6-1 over being promoted to the premier league? Are you going to tell the story of beating Everton 4-3 over our only ever FA Cup final appearance? Are you going to tell the story of beating a poor Man Utd side at the time over a European adventure? Again I ask, what did Hughes actually achieve here? 3 9th placed finishes is not an achievement in my opinion. The story of beating Liverpool 6-1 is every bit as good as getting promoted to the Premier League for me, and it wasn't a one-off, we played some excellent football. By your logic nobody achieved anything during our ten years in the Premier League, the only quantifiable 'achievement' was promotion itself in 2008. Should we not bother remembering anything that came after that?
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Post by webbyscfc on Mar 2, 2021 10:44:28 GMT
Any manager can have one off games where we play teams off the park or get big wins, but what actually did Hughes achieve with us? Apart from kick starting our demise when the disintegrating of the foundations Pulis built happened under his watch. Are you going to tell the story of beating Liverpool 6-1 over being promoted to the premier league? Are you going to tell the story of beating Everton 4-3 over our only ever FA Cup final appearance? Are you going to tell the story of beating a poor Man Utd side at the time over a European adventure? Again I ask, what did Hughes actually achieve here? 3 9th placed finishes is not an achievement in my opinion. The story of beating Liverpool 6-1 is every bit as good as getting promoted to the Premier League for me, and it wasn't a one-off, we played some excellent football. By your logic nobody achieved anything during our ten years in the Premier League, the only quantifiable 'achievement' was promotion itself in 2008. Should we not bother remembering anything that came after that? You’re saying beating Liverpool 6-1 was a bigger achievement than actually gaining promotion to the premier league? Grow up. Getting promotion to the PL put us in a position to be playing these teams week in week out. And maybe read all my comment where I stated reaching an FA Cup final for the only time in our history, and getting in to Europe were bigger achievements to what the OP to my comment claimed.....all whilst we were in the premier league.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 2, 2021 10:55:45 GMT
The story of beating Liverpool 6-1 is every bit as good as getting promoted to the Premier League for me, and it wasn't a one-off, we played some excellent football. By your logic nobody achieved anything during our ten years in the Premier League, the only quantifiable 'achievement' was promotion itself in 2008. Should we not bother remembering anything that came after that? You’re saying beating Liverpool 6-1 was a bigger achievement than actually gaining promotion to the premier league? Grow up. Getting promotion to the PL put us in a position to be playing these teams week in week out. And maybe read all my comment where I stated reaching an FA Cup final for the only time in our history, and getting in to Europe were bigger achievements to what the OP to my comment claimed.....all whilst we were in the premier league. I quite clearly didn't say that, no. Not with the words I wrote in the post you literally quoted in replying to. We lost the cup final. Using your own logic, that's not an achievement either. We got into Europe by dint of losing that cup final. They aren't two separate 'achievements', they're the same thing. I personally am proud we got to a cup final, I'm proud we were a couple of penalty kicks away from another. I'm proud we got into Europe and I'm proud we dicked Liverpool and beat Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham as well as achieving our best league finishes for 40 years, playing some cracking football at times along the way. I'd class all of those things as achievements and great memories delivered across our whole time in the league between the two managers. Both achieved plenty and gave me my best days so far as a Stoke fan.
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 2, 2021 10:57:29 GMT
This is getting tedious now. Can't we just agree that both Pulis and Hughes gave us things we had yearned for for decades but both had major flaws which ultimately brought about their demise?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 2, 2021 11:02:36 GMT
This is getting tedious now. Can't we just agree that both Pulis and Hughes gave us things we had yearned for for decades but both had major flaws which ultimately brought about their demise? We should be able to do that, but the people who don't want to give Hughes any credit at all for the good times are almost to a man the people who were never going to accept him from day one for having the gall to replace Pulis in the first place.
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Post by webbyscfc on Mar 2, 2021 11:20:31 GMT
You’re saying beating Liverpool 6-1 was a bigger achievement than actually gaining promotion to the premier league? Grow up. Getting promotion to the PL put us in a position to be playing these teams week in week out. And maybe read all my comment where I stated reaching an FA Cup final for the only time in our history, and getting in to Europe were bigger achievements to what the OP to my comment claimed.....all whilst we were in the premier league. I quite clearly didn't say that, no. Not with the words I wrote in the post you literally quoted in replying to. We lost the cup final. Using your own logic, that's not an achievement either. We got into Europe by dint of losing that cup final. They aren't two separate 'achievements', they're the same thing. I personally am proud we got to a cup final, I'm proud we were a couple of penalty kicks away from another. I'm proud we got into Europe and I'm proud we dicked Liverpool and beat Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham as well as achieving our best league finishes for 40 years, playing some cracking football at times along the way. I'd class all of those things as achievements and great memories delivered across our whole time in the league between the two managers. Both achieved plenty and gave me my best days so far as a Stoke fan. You said beating Liverpool was as good as getting promoted, I said it is not. Imagine having an open top bus parade for beating Liverpool 6-1, how embarrassing would that be. Where have I said getting to the FA CUP final and losing it was an achievement? I said getting to our first FA Cup final was a bigger achievement than some games where we won and played well. Just like getting to Europe was a bigger achievement than playing well and winning certain games. What did we achieve in beating Liverpool 6-1 that’s puts it on par with getting promotion to the premier league? I agree we played some amazing stuff, and contrary to your later comment I have not said anything about Hughes, we played some great stuff under him, but the last year and a half under him over shadows what he did do with us. The only point I tried to make is achievements under the previous management are much more substantial than a few good performances and 9th placed finishes. Would Villa give up their promotion back to the premier league just to have that 7-2 win over Liverpool this season?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 2, 2021 11:30:53 GMT
I quite clearly didn't say that, no. Not with the words I wrote in the post you literally quoted in replying to. We lost the cup final. Using your own logic, that's not an achievement either. We got into Europe by dint of losing that cup final. They aren't two separate 'achievements', they're the same thing. I personally am proud we got to a cup final, I'm proud we were a couple of penalty kicks away from another. I'm proud we got into Europe and I'm proud we dicked Liverpool and beat Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham as well as achieving our best league finishes for 40 years, playing some cracking football at times along the way. I'd class all of those things as achievements and great memories delivered across our whole time in the league between the two managers. Both achieved plenty and gave me my best days so far as a Stoke fan. You said beating Liverpool was as good as getting promoted, I said it is not. Imagine having an open top bus parade for beating Liverpool 6-1, how embarrassing would that be. Where have I said getting to the FA CUP final and losing it was an achievement? I said getting to our first FA Cup final was a bigger achievement than some games where we won and played well. Just like getting to Europe was a bigger achievement than playing well and winning certain games. What did we achieve in beating Liverpool 6-1 that’s puts it on par with getting promotion to the premier league? I agree we played some amazing stuff, and contrary to your later comment I have not said anything about Hughes, we played some great stuff under him, but the last year and a half under him over shadows what he did do with us. The only point I tried to make is achievements under the previous management are much more substantial than a few good performances and 9th placed finishes. Would Villa give up their promotion back to the premier league just to have that 7-2 win over Liverpool this season? I mean, how would that work? They've had both, just like we had both. I don't value one over the other, nor do I see why it's necessary to? What he achieved were our best league finishes for 40 years and the memories of performances associated with them. That for me is on par with getting to a cup final. If we'd won the cup I'm sure I'd feel differently. We didn't. You're still counting 'getting to Europe' as if that's a separate thing from getting to the cup final. Why? Yes it went badly tits up under Hughes. It was going tits up under Pulis. The board acted swiftly with one and dithered on the other, and here we are.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 2, 2021 11:31:55 GMT
I quite clearly didn't say that, no. Not with the words I wrote in the post you literally quoted in replying to. We lost the cup final. Using your own logic, that's not an achievement either. We got into Europe by dint of losing that cup final. They aren't two separate 'achievements', they're the same thing. I personally am proud we got to a cup final, I'm proud we were a couple of penalty kicks away from another. I'm proud we got into Europe and I'm proud we dicked Liverpool and beat Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham as well as achieving our best league finishes for 40 years, playing some cracking football at times along the way. I'd class all of those things as achievements and great memories delivered across our whole time in the league between the two managers. Both achieved plenty and gave me my best days so far as a Stoke fan. You said beating Liverpool was as good as getting promoted, I said it is not. Imagine having an open top bus parade for beating Liverpool 6-1, how embarrassing would that be. Where have I said getting to the FA CUP final and losing it was an achievement? I said getting to our first FA Cup final was a bigger achievement than some games where we won and played well. Just like getting to Europe was a bigger achievement than playing well and winning certain games. What did we achieve in beating Liverpool 6-1 that’s puts it on par with getting promotion to the premier league? I agree we played some amazing stuff, and contrary to your later comment I have not said anything about Hughes, we played some great stuff under him, but the last year and a half under him over shadows what he did do with us. The only point I tried to make is achievements under the previous management are much more substantial than a few good performances and 9th placed finishes. Would Villa give up their promotion back to the premier league just to have that 7-2 win over Liverpool this season?
He said beating Liverpool was as good as....you then said that he said beating Liverpool was better (which he didn't....at all).
Did you just not pack your brains today or are you just incapable of reading what you yourself wrote in black and white a couple of posts up?
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 2, 2021 11:40:25 GMT
Because in his semi-final he got Liverpool and in Tone's he got Bolton. You've ducked the question again, if 9th is so mediocre and unimpressive, why couldn't Tone manage it? Tp (or dickhead Hughes) can't influence who they do/do not draw in the cup! Tone didn't get 9th, so what, do t think that he'll lose any sleep over this. Don't think that in 30/40 years I'll be telling my kids/grandkids that we had 3 9th place finishes. It'll be the two days out at Wembley, Europe (Valencia inparticular) Valencia? You’re crediting that manager with that experience are you? When he encouraged everyone to get out there then sold them down the river by completely surrendering the tie?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 2, 2021 11:42:59 GMT
Tp (or dickhead Hughes) can't influence who they do/do not draw in the cup! Tone didn't get 9th, so what, do t think that he'll lose any sleep over this. Don't think that in 30/40 years I'll be telling my kids/grandkids that we had 3 9th place finishes. It'll be the two days out at Wembley, Europe (Valencia inparticular) Valencia? You’re crediting that manager with that experience are you? When he encouraged everyone to get out there then sold them down the river by completely surrendering the tie? Was about to say the same! As if what happened at Valencia was anything but a fucking disgrace and he wants to brag about it? Fuck me, the Pulis fanboys really are brainwashed to fuck!
I'm sure dave had a great time over there but that's credit to his mates that he went with, the bars and the city of Valencia not fucking Pulis. Pulis was there for footballing reasons and he fucked those right up!
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 2, 2021 11:43:14 GMT
You said beating Liverpool was as good as getting promoted, I said it is not. Imagine having an open top bus parade for beating Liverpool 6-1, how embarrassing would that be. Where have I said getting to the FA CUP final and losing it was an achievement? I said getting to our first FA Cup final was a bigger achievement than some games where we won and played well. Just like getting to Europe was a bigger achievement than playing well and winning certain games. What did we achieve in beating Liverpool 6-1 that’s puts it on par with getting promotion to the premier league? I agree we played some amazing stuff, and contrary to your later comment I have not said anything about Hughes, we played some great stuff under him, but the last year and a half under him over shadows what he did do with us. The only point I tried to make is achievements under the previous management are much more substantial than a few good performances and 9th placed finishes. Would Villa give up their promotion back to the premier league just to have that 7-2 win over Liverpool this season?
He said beating Liverpool was as good as....you then said that he said beating Liverpool was better (which he didn't....at all).
Did you just not pack your brains today or are you just incapable of reading what you yourself wrote in black and white a couple of posts up?
And he didn’t actually even say that, the context was “the story” of beating Liverpool 6-1 - as in what experiences you were going to recount to your grandkids - was as good as “the story” of promotion, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to say.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 2, 2021 11:45:04 GMT
Valencia? You’re crediting that manager with that experience are you? When he encouraged everyone to get out there then sold them down the river by completely surrendering the tie? Was about to say the same! As if what happened at Valencia was anything but a fucking disgrace and he wants to brag about it? Fuck me, the Pulis fanboys really are brainwashed to fuck! Valencia was quite literally *the* low point of TP’s reign and the one thing I’ll never be able to fully forgive him for.
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Post by webbyscfc on Mar 2, 2021 11:46:16 GMT
You said beating Liverpool was as good as getting promoted, I said it is not. Imagine having an open top bus parade for beating Liverpool 6-1, how embarrassing would that be. Where have I said getting to the FA CUP final and losing it was an achievement? I said getting to our first FA Cup final was a bigger achievement than some games where we won and played well. Just like getting to Europe was a bigger achievement than playing well and winning certain games. What did we achieve in beating Liverpool 6-1 that’s puts it on par with getting promotion to the premier league? I agree we played some amazing stuff, and contrary to your later comment I have not said anything about Hughes, we played some great stuff under him, but the last year and a half under him over shadows what he did do with us. The only point I tried to make is achievements under the previous management are much more substantial than a few good performances and 9th placed finishes. Would Villa give up their promotion back to the premier league just to have that 7-2 win over Liverpool this season? He said beating Liverpool was as good as....you then said that he said beating Liverpool was better (which he didn't....at all). Did you just not pack your brains today or are you just incapable of reading what you yourself wrote in black and white a couple of posts up? I think you need to read over what I put again you whopper. Did I not say in the post you quoted, stating that he said beating Liverpool was as good as? What an idiot you look now. If you have nothing constructive to say, don’t say anything little boy.
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