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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 1, 2021 18:44:19 GMT
Truth is Pulis didn’t achieve anything of note either and Hughes’s lack of achievement was much more pleasing on the eye than Pulis’s. Hughes finished 9th in the Prem three times, Pulis came second in the Championship and second in the FA cup. Nobody gives a shit who came second or 9th it’s winning that counts. Personally I don’t want to set any Stoke manager such unlikely targets, just entertain me FFS. Promotion to the PL, our first FA Cup Final a European adventure is not achieving anything wow just fcuking wow Yet Martinez won it against the same Man City team a year later and he was just a charlatan.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 1, 2021 18:54:33 GMT
Promotion to the PL, our first FA Cup Final a European adventure is not achieving anything wow just fcuking wow Yet Martinez won it against the same Man City team a year later and he was just a charlatan. Was he why ?
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 1, 2021 19:03:29 GMT
He didn't accomplish anything like Pulis did at Stoke fact. Truth is Pulis didn’t achieve anything of note either and Hughes’s lack of achievement was much more pleasing on the eye than Pulis’s. Hughes finished 9th in the Prem three times, Pulis came second in the Championship and second in the FA cup. Nobody gives a shit who came second or 9th it’s winning that counts. Personally I don’t want to set any Stoke manager such unlikely targets, just entertain me FFS. I, and l believe 28,000 others, got a great deal of entertainment beating Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs in the Premier League, getting to Wembley and watching some European football. Do you know any Sunderland fans? Perhaps you could compare notes.
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 1, 2021 19:33:16 GMT
Funny this thread should pop up, an image of his face was on a pitta bread I had with my tea earlier. I’d have taken a picture but I was fucking starving, and if I’m totally honest it looked more like Michael Heseltine anyway.
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Post by wazbagsbro on Mar 1, 2021 19:37:04 GMT
Studio guest on Monday night football tonight. Be interesting to see if has any views on his time at Stoke. Why the fuck would the ex Southampton manager and ex Everton player Mark Hughes even mention a mid table championship club? Do you think he or the rest of the country give a flying fuck about his views on a club he left years ago? Do you think he'll talk about Fulham, Man City and Blackburn? Can't we fucking move on? This with spades on, exactly . He has probably forgotten himself.
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Post by marwood on Mar 1, 2021 19:49:50 GMT
As with politics, all football managerial appointments end with failure
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Post by dave1 on Mar 1, 2021 20:03:00 GMT
I agree that nobody cares about being runner up in the FA Cup or 9th place finishes but disagree that TP didn't achieve anything! He didn’t and never has. You tell me what he achieved? Promotion with the joint record lowest points tally for automatic promotion? Thrashed Bolton which wouldn’t really raise an eyebrow were it not in a semi at Wembley. At the end of the day Pulis was manager for about 10 years and the vast majority of our performances during that time were awful to watch, Hughes for about 5 years with a slightly higher proportion of enjoyable games. Personally I enjoyed a far higher proportion of the games under Lou and he actually won things albeit at a much lower level. I've obviously got no idea how old you are but I'm mid 30's. If anyone would have said that stoke would have been in the Premier league, made an fa cup final and be in Europe back then you'd have got laughed at. It was because of TP that we realised that, and more... Hughes is an absolute wanker- he inherited TP's team and got found out when that fell apart. As for Lou I love the bloke (both for what he did for stoke and the city itself) but you can't compare him to TP (not from an achievements perspective anyway).
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 1, 2021 20:33:29 GMT
He didn’t and never has. You tell me what he achieved? Promotion with the joint record lowest points tally for automatic promotion? Thrashed Bolton which wouldn’t really raise an eyebrow were it not in a semi at Wembley. At the end of the day Pulis was manager for about 10 years and the vast majority of our performances during that time were awful to watch, Hughes for about 5 years with a slightly higher proportion of enjoyable games. Personally I enjoyed a far higher proportion of the games under Lou and he actually won things albeit at a much lower level. I've obviously got no idea how old you are but I'm mid 30's. If anyone would have said that stoke would have been in the Premier league, made an fa cup final and be in Europe back then you'd have got laughed at. It was because of TP that we realised that, and more... Hughes is an absolute wanker- he inherited TP's team and got found out when that fell apart. As for Lou I love the bloke (both for what he did for stoke and the city itself) but you can't compare him to TP (not from an achievements perspective anyway). You always go all shy and disappear whenever I ask you this Dave, but if Pulis was so great and Hughes was so shit and all Hughes did was inherit Pulis' team, why was he able to finish higher in the league with it than Tone ever could? In his first couple of seasons Hughes spent barely any money and we had one of the lowest wage bills in the league, yet rubbish old Sparky finished top half and Tone could never manage it? What's going on there?
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Post by dave1 on Mar 1, 2021 20:38:58 GMT
I've obviously got no idea how old you are but I'm mid 30's. If anyone would have said that stoke would have been in the Premier league, made an fa cup final and be in Europe back then you'd have got laughed at. It was because of TP that we realised that, and more... Hughes is an absolute wanker- he inherited TP's team and got found out when that fell apart. As for Lou I love the bloke (both for what he did for stoke and the city itself) but you can't compare him to TP (not from an achievements perspective anyway). You always go all shy and disappear whenever I ask you this Dave, but if Pulis was so great and Hughes was so shit and all Hughes did was inherit Pulis' team, why was he able to finish higher in the league with it than Tone ever could? In his first couple of seasons Hughes spent barely any money and we had one of the lowest wage bills in the league, yet rubbish old Sparky finished top half and Tone could never manage it? What's going on there? Why didn't hughes ever make a cup final and make Europe?? Who cares about finishing 9th- whoopy do!!!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 1, 2021 20:44:23 GMT
You always go all shy and disappear whenever I ask you this Dave, but if Pulis was so great and Hughes was so shit and all Hughes did was inherit Pulis' team, why was he able to finish higher in the league with it than Tone ever could? In his first couple of seasons Hughes spent barely any money and we had one of the lowest wage bills in the league, yet rubbish old Sparky finished top half and Tone could never manage it? What's going on there? Why didn't hughes ever make a cup final and make Europe?? Who cares about finishing 9th- whoopy do!!! Because in his semi-final he got Liverpool and in Tone's he got Bolton. You've ducked the question again, if 9th is so mediocre and unimpressive, why couldn't Tone manage it?
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Post by a on Mar 1, 2021 20:45:44 GMT
Undoubtedly so. Shame really because he brought us the best football and finishes in recent times but ultimately lost the plot and hasn’t done anything of note since really Glad someone else can see past the bitterness of how it all went so wrong. You can’t ignore 9th,9th,9th. Also seeing Arnautovic Bojan and Shaqiri pulling apart teams was a joy. The wheels came off when we invested poorly and then it seemed that the players stopping giving a shit (or around 50% did).
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Post by theoptimist on Mar 1, 2021 20:49:57 GMT
He was on the Beebs Fulham v Palarse borefest yesterday. Managed to get a line in about "no such thing as 9th place mediocrity/careful what you wish for". There really wasn’t anything mediocre about at least two of those 9th placed finishes. Without doubt they contained the best football I have seen Stoke play in near 40 years following the club. His head had already started going by the third and performances really dipped in the second half of that season. Yes he fully deserved the sack IMO a good 12 months before it happened but I really think some Stoke fans totally discount the good stuff. How long before we see our team playing stuff like that again? Maybe not in my lifetime. Agreed. Wasnt knocking his achievements!
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Post by dave1 on Mar 1, 2021 20:52:43 GMT
Why didn't hughes ever make a cup final and make Europe?? Who cares about finishing 9th- whoopy do!!! Because in his semi-final he got Liverpool and in Tone's he got Bolton. You've ducked the question again, if 9th is so mediocre and unimpressive, why couldn't Tone manage it? Tp (or dickhead Hughes) can't influence who they do/do not draw in the cup! Tone didn't get 9th, so what, do t think that he'll lose any sleep over this. Don't think that in 30/40 years I'll be telling my kids/grandkids that we had 3 9th place finishes. It'll be the two days out at Wembley, Europe (Valencia inparticular)
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Post by dave1 on Mar 1, 2021 20:54:02 GMT
Glad someone else can see past the bitterness of how it all went so wrong. You can’t ignore 9th,9th,9th. Also seeing Arnautovic Bojan and Shaqiri pulling apart teams was a joy. The wheels came off when we invested poorly and then it seemed that the players stopping giving a shit (or around 50% did). Hughes is responsible for the investment and also ensuring that the players give a shit- complete failure
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 1, 2021 21:03:37 GMT
Seems not his shit expensive flops have set us back 15 years . Shouldn’t be a new experience, name me a Stoke manager that has spent well post Waddo? TP didn't do so bad did he?? Tongue and Offy being two exceptions.. Probablydozens of others but "pound for pound" not bad.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 1, 2021 21:14:29 GMT
Because in his semi-final he got Liverpool and in Tone's he got Bolton. You've ducked the question again, if 9th is so mediocre and unimpressive, why couldn't Tone manage it? Tp (or dickhead Hughes) can't influence who they do/do not draw in the cup! Tone didn't get 9th, so what, do t think that he'll lose any sleep over this. Don't think that in 30/40 years I'll be telling my kids/grandkids that we had 3 9th place finishes. It'll be the two days out at Wembley, Europe (Valencia inparticular) I didn't say he could. I was answering your question. You still haven't answered mine. So I'll ask it again. Why couldn't Tone do it? It's such an insignificant, poxy non-achievement, according to you, yet Tone couldn't even manage it? Doesn't say a lot for him does it?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 1, 2021 21:16:20 GMT
Shouldn’t be a new experience, name me a Stoke manager that has spent well post Waddo? TP didn't do so bad did he?? Tongue and Offy being two exceptions.. Probablydozens of others but "pound for pound" not bad. When he was operating on a budget he was absolutely outstanding in the market, easily the best in my lifetime. Of course he had some failures and a bit of luck but what manager doesn't. Given money he was a kid in a sweet shop and not to be trusted, but again, lots of managers are like that.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 1, 2021 21:22:47 GMT
For me as I’ve said on numerous occasions Mark Hughes will always be remembered as the manager that put this club back years DESPITE his team initially producing some of the best football I’ve ever seen.Sad to say but the way it ended overshadowed his achievements for me personally
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Post by dave1 on Mar 1, 2021 21:23:39 GMT
TP didn't do so bad did he?? Tongue and Offy being two exceptions.. Probablydozens of others but "pound for pound" not bad. When he was operating on a budget he was absolutely outstanding in the market, easily the best in my lifetime. Of course he had some failures and a bit of luck but what manager doesn't. Given money he was a kid in a sweet shop and not to be trusted, but again, lots of managers are like that. Complete rubbish. The only stand out big money signing, I can think of, is Palacious (of however you spell it). There were some smaller money signings ie kitson. But no other big money ones (unless I'm missing something)
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 1, 2021 21:28:36 GMT
For me as I’ve said on numerous occasions Mark Hughes will always be remembered as the manager that put this club back years DESPITE his team initially producing some of the best football I’ve ever seen.Sad to say but the way it ended overshadowed his achievements for me personally Yes. The signing of Berahino was the beginning of the end (as I've said many times) It was an abject vanity project to try and prove that he was a better man manager than TP. And once that little twat was in our Club it all went pear shaped.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 1, 2021 21:32:06 GMT
When he was operating on a budget he was absolutely outstanding in the market, easily the best in my lifetime. Of course he had some failures and a bit of luck but what manager doesn't. Given money he was a kid in a sweet shop and not to be trusted, but again, lots of managers are like that. Complete rubbish. The only stand out big money signing, I can think of, is Palacious (of however you spell it). There were some smaller money signings ie kitson. But no other big money ones (unless I'm missing something) Kitson was the club's record signing at the time. He is not an example of a 'smaller money signing'. In the summer of 2011 he spent what was to that date far and away the biggest budget any Stoke manager ever had and made the team significantly worse. Now about my question, Dave?
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Post by lordb on Mar 1, 2021 21:35:35 GMT
Any road did he say anything of note?
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Post by march4 on Mar 1, 2021 21:38:08 GMT
That we scored very few goals and for a lot of the time it was boring as shit, was it that obscure? Think he spent a fortune while achieving it too. No he didn’t. The greatest bargain in our history was the money TP spent to get us from the lower reaches of the 2nd Division to the Prem, an FA Cup Final and Europe. Other managers spent more on the reverse journey.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 1, 2021 21:44:18 GMT
Interestingly (or not, who gives a shit?) net spend for Premier League Pulis and Hughes is virtually identical. Hughes had an extra transfer window as well and I've kept that wanker Badou in it. I've omitted Etebo and the sale of Sohbi.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 1, 2021 21:48:44 GMT
For me as I’ve said on numerous occasions Mark Hughes will always be remembered as the manager that put this club back years DESPITE his team initially producing some of the best football I’ve ever seen.Sad to say but the way it ended overshadowed his achievements for me personally Yes. The signing of Berahino was the beginning of the end (as I've said many times) It was an abject vanity project to try and prove that he was a better man manager than TP. And once that little twat was in our Club it all went pear shaped. Berahino,Wimmer and Imbula absolutely killed the club then closely followed by Rowett’s spend
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Post by wazbagsbro on Mar 1, 2021 21:49:12 GMT
Arguments about Hughes and Pulls and a comment from Dave that Lou didn't compare. If Lou had had the same buget as them two we would have won the champions league. What Lou achieved on that budget was unreal
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Post by callas12 on Mar 1, 2021 21:50:45 GMT
Studio guest on Monday night football tonight. Be interesting to see if has any views on his time at Stoke. Why the fuck would the ex Southampton manager and ex Everton player Mark Hughes even mention a mid table championship club? Do you think he or the rest of the country give a flying fuck about his views on a club he left years ago? Do you think he'll talk about Fulham, Man City and Blackburn? Can't we fucking move on? Quite a plausible question to ask, the presenter said prior to the game that afterwards on MNF they'd discuss Marks playing and managerial career with him!
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 1, 2021 21:54:32 GMT
That we scored very few goals and for a lot of the time it was boring as shit, was it that obscure? Think he spent a fortune while achieving it too. No he didn’t. The greatest bargain in our history was the money TP spent to get us from the lower reaches of the 2nd Division to the Prem, an FA Cup Final and Europe. Other managers spent more on the reverse journey. Yes. There is no denying that sone of his football was shite and mind numbingly boring.. But, in the scheme of things he did a magnificent job. I was critical of a lot of his football philosophy but nothing can take away that glorious day at Wembley when we obliterated a very good Bolton team. It ranks alongside Wembley 72, muddy night at Old Trafford and Rotherham away Easter Monday in my personal favourite top memories.
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Post by Championship Potter on Mar 1, 2021 22:14:55 GMT
No he didn’t. The greatest bargain in our history was the money TP spent to get us from the lower reaches of the 2nd Division to the Prem, an FA Cup Final and Europe. Other managers spent more on the reverse journey. Yes. There is no denying that sone of his football was shite and mind numbingly boring.. But, in the scheme of things he did a magnificent job. I was critical of a lot of his football philosophy but nothing can take away that glorious day at Wembley when we obliterated a very good Bolton team. It ranks alongside Wembley 72, muddy night at Old Trafford and Rotherham away Easter Monday in my personal favourite top memories. Both Pulis and Hughes were brilliant managers for us and I’m always surprised at some of the negativity on here. All appointments turn sour at some point - the mistake was bringing in Lambert rather than a decent manager when we were still odds on to stay up.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 1, 2021 22:20:55 GMT
You can’t ignore 9th,9th,9th. Also seeing Arnautovic Bojan and Shaqiri pulling apart teams was a joy. The wheels came off when we invested poorly and then it seemed that the players stopping giving a shit (or around 50% did). Hughes is responsible for the investment and also ensuring that the players give a shit- complete failure But but but he gave us 3 9th place trophies then proceeded to destroy our club with shit transfers in and out, lost us our PL status with the assistance of our board of directors all in all were those 3 9th place trophies worth it really ? he will be remembered as a failure that damaged our club for the foreseeable future, never mind the happy clappers can polish those 9th place trophies to console themselves as we watch the likes of Mikel and Jacob Brown gracing the field.
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