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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 24, 2021 21:32:22 GMT
Or gave him any kind of support. Well, yeah. If Powell isn't on it, we're screwed. And he was completely anonymous tonight. Take out Fletcher too, and we may as well pack it in. I wouldn't say the first half was.....good exactly. But it was just about ok. They're a tricky team to play with their in-your-face pressing and the pitch and conditions were poor It all crumbled to shit when Fletcher went off and Vokes, who is now ,sadly, barely League 2 standard was the supposed focal point. Mikel looked what he was - a soon-to-be 34 year-old, and he should be the last choice of all the CMs. Sadly, his 'character' and status (and I'm sure he's a good kiddie!) seem to get him minutes. And quite why a make-do option in Tymon is preferred to someone we've actually chosen to bring in last month is anyone's guess. Tymon has had about 60 minutes where he's looked competent out wide since he joined. Seems churlish to pick out individuals though, as the second half was just insanely, eye-wateringly bad - the kind of 45 minutes we'll be recalling in 10 years time.... Not even just Powell, if Vokes is coming on the target should be to get it on his head in the box, we don't even try. The first half was only good relitive to the second tbh, we got some crosses in but on the whole niether side did a lot. Agree about Tymon its in the middle or not at all really, but i think MON would see him as the less risky option, its always down to the least risky for MON, it always has to be defencive minded. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 24, 2021 21:33:47 GMT
Are you a fucking priest cos Jesus Christ you have a big tolerance Haha - probably just kidding myself! But would have taken upper mid table finish and more youngsters playing at the start of the season which is what we’ve got if you look at the bigger picture. Part of that bigger picture has to be how the manager handles the squad away from the results and he hasn't been doing a very good job. |
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Post by nonameface on Feb 24, 2021 21:37:00 GMT
Barnsley are one of the most inform teams and there was very little to choose between the teams.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 24, 2021 21:37:59 GMT
The worrying thing tonight for me was when you consider the performance there for O’Neill’s 1st game 15 months ago alongside tonight’s it’s night and day. FFP Injuries Blah blah blah 😂😂 |
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Post by thevoid on Feb 24, 2021 21:39:15 GMT
The fans don't turn at an away game HOWEVER! MON IS IN FOR A SHOCK WHEN WE GET BACK IN THE GROUND IF THINGS DON'T MASSIVELY IMPROVE. He won't have ten home games of continuous hoof ball without a backlash. I hope and pray things change. I believe he has the best intentions but he needs to realise we expect alot.Any manager is lucky to be at Stoke at the minute. The number one club to manage in the Championship and half the prem.The money he will get will be more than Celtic could dream of but he needs to understand what is expected They turned at Bolton under Rowett. Tonight would surely have seen a similar atmosphere- and we didn't even lose the Bolton game! |
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Post by Ron on Feb 24, 2021 21:41:48 GMT
We have to start to blood and have a look at some of the other kids in the squad now. The u23-s are doing well and seemingly confident. Just give them a go. I fail to see how Norton/ Varian/ Porter / Coates / Wright Phillips can be any worse than that shire I’ve witnessed tonight. Brown and Tymon wide in a front 3? If jones had done that or rowett then the knives would have been out.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 24, 2021 22:14:37 GMT
First half we were ok. Second half was the worst 45 minutes of the season..... Dunno if it was the worst 45 minutes but it was utterly shyte. After 75 minutes they found their kitchen sink and were throwing it at us. How fucked up is that? |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 24, 2021 22:17:47 GMT
Nowhere near as bad as Jones. Big summer ahead though.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 24, 2021 22:20:21 GMT
We were never going to get the play offs by the virtue of Fletcher and Powell are carrying us offensively.
It's not our year, move on.
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Post by march4 on Feb 24, 2021 22:20:50 GMT
MON is struggling at the moment.
Can he turn it round? I hope so but the signs aren’t promising.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 22:32:01 GMT
Proper Sunday League wang it forward. Staggeringly bad second half. This was MONs plan. He knew they pressed and played a high line. Shows what respect he has for the quality of his players that he didn't think we could play around them. Shows his naivety as we played right into their hands. |
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 24, 2021 22:34:25 GMT
Proper Sunday League wang it forward. Staggeringly bad second half. This was MONs plan. He knew they pressed and played a high line. Shows what respect he has for the quality of his players that he didn't think we could play around them. Shows his naivety as we played right into their hands. Do you think asking Danny Batth to pass the ball around them from the back, on that ploughed field of a pitch, would have been a better plan? |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 24, 2021 22:42:58 GMT
This was MONs plan. He knew they pressed and played a high line. Shows what respect he has for the quality of his players that he didn't think we could play around them. Shows his naivety as we played right into their hands. Do you think asking Danny Batth to pass the ball around them from the back, on that ploughed field of a pitch, would have been a better plan? I must admit I thought he might play Chester for that very reason........ |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 22:57:02 GMT
This was MONs plan. He knew they pressed and played a high line. Shows what respect he has for the quality of his players that he didn't think we could play around them. Shows his naivety as we played right into their hands. Do you think asking Danny Batth to pass the ball around them from the back, on that ploughed field of a pitch, would have been a better plan? Could it have been any worse? |
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Post by robinplumpton on Feb 24, 2021 23:17:33 GMT
Was that a crowd turning performance? Well it shouldn't be because that performance has been turned in several times this season. Unless the crowd are turning like a rotisserie chicken, we need to think why. How about a total lack of movement off the ball? The latest craze is hooof it forward and maybe Jacob will stand up long enough, maybe he might for once control it... to break free (sadly, usually without the ball). Or if Fletch is injured, we put on "Blanco" the wardrobe to contribute nothing. So many teams have passed through us, not because they have Messi, but because they have footballers who simply pass and move and create space and gaps. We have pedestrian players who (in the unlikely scenario that they get the ball) are then surrounded by 3 of the opposition players, whilst our lot are taking a selfie that they have made a successful pass rather than moving for the next phase of possession. For the love of God, pass and move, bloody simple. Or, stay in your rigid formation and hope to beat 3 players on your own, with no support and surrender possession. Still, maybe if big Harry hoofs it to Jake the Peg , he might take on 4 players after miscontrolling and get lucky before a 10 minute interval when the wardrobe gets delivered to the 18yd box to not jump. Yep, that will work
ps M.O.N saved us...but
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 24, 2021 23:40:51 GMT
They were a young energetic side with good players off the bench .
We had a decent defence and the fact that they dealt with Powell , the only threat we had were Smith's crosses .
the rest was poor effort from a few but no quality
Vokes on after 48 minutes is as good as game over, we have no idea how to make use of him and he has no idea how to get involved in a game .
We have a decent dafence , Powell and Campbell. A few hard working squad type players . Way too many that fall into the overpaid and under performing category and a few youngsters who have been at big clubs and lost their way and are doing nothing to find it again.
Club still needs a lot of work , once wages can be offloaded we can look to rebuild but its a couple of seasons off .
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 24, 2021 23:46:48 GMT
Still got faith in our overall direction under MON but we’ve just got so much dross on our books - and the concern is plenty of them were signed by him. This is one of the reasons I've lost faith in him. We already had so much useless horseshit on our books, and he's just gone and added some more! |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 24, 2021 23:54:24 GMT
Still got faith in our overall direction under MON but we’ve just got so much dross on our books - and the concern is plenty of them were signed by him. This is one of the reasons I've lost faith in him. We already had so much useless horseshit on our books, and he's just gone and added some more! On shorter deals, far less wages and the majority of which are still at an age where they can be moved on if necessary. Oakley-Booth is 21 and was free, Thompson 24 and costs a couple of hundred grand, Fox is a steady Championship left back, Chester and Mikel will probably move on in the summer, Fletcher has something to offer when he's fit albeit we can't be over reliant on him, Brown is 22 and Doughty 21. The rest are loans and will probably go back to their respective clubs. I still think it's way too early to write some of these players off as well....... |
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Post by somersetstokie on Feb 24, 2021 23:58:25 GMT
I decided not to follow any of the match tonight and didn't see the performance. My impression from reading the many hundreds of comments on the board tonight is that there is certainly growing doubt about MON's long term future at Stoke and his ability to adapt to and control the challenges he faces.
I do wonder if there is an exit strategy in play here and he feels that he is failing at Stoke. Unlikely I know but he could be thinking about a future elsewhere and he perhaps no longer feels an obligation to recognise or care how he is perceived by the Stoke support. ("softening us up" or just antagonising us so that the break when he moves to Celtic is easier for everyone concerned to accept)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 0:01:41 GMT
We got soundly beaten by a very, very, average side. Their manager's done better with them, and their squad, than our manager has with ours, that's a fact.
They had two players I'd heard of.
We've a squad full of names, with 7 starters tonight having Premier League experience, and 3 more on the bench.
Shameful all round.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 25, 2021 0:05:16 GMT
That lazy "I don't give a fuck" Mikel swipe with his left foot at the end of the game into row z angered me immensely.
I'd be delighted to see him never wear a Stoke shirt ever again. Shocking tonight as we have been for much of the season. Its quite extraordinary that Powell and Fletcher have scored so many goals given the total lack of competence behind them (Souttar aside).
This midfield is as bad as anything I can remember. What we'd give for a proper ball playing midfielder who can create, glide past players and excite the crowd. I think we might have sold one not so long ago.
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Post by callas12 on Feb 25, 2021 0:17:56 GMT
At half time we were still well in the game I thought. Then we came out for the second half ! I couldn't quite fathom out the making 2x subs only 3 mins into the second half. What was that all about? Either make the changes at half time in the changing room so the second half begins a fresh or at least leave them on for 10-15mins before hauling them off. Just seemed a panic move to me. Granted Fletcher may have had a niggle & signalled after a couple of minutes back out he couldn't continue but all seemed abit rushed & not properly thought out. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2021 0:24:45 GMT
I don’t think we’d have been in a position for the crowd to turn dramatically if crowds had have been allowed tbf.
Because there’s no way he would have got away with the insipid surrender act when Campbell got injured if fans were in the ground. He would have reacted to it and I think he would have reacted well.
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Post by callas12 on Feb 25, 2021 0:26:52 GMT
That lazy "I don't give a fuck" Mikel swipe with his left foot at the end of the game into row z angered me immensely. I'd be delighted to see him never wear a Stoke shirt ever again. Shocking tonight as we have been for much of the season. Its quite extraordinary that Powell and Fletcher have scored so many goals given the total lack of competence behind them (Souttar aside). This midfield is as bad as anything I can remember. What we'd give for a proper ball playing midfielder who can create, glide past players and excite the crowd. I think we might have sold one not so long ago. The commentators on the stream whilst being Barnsley biased as would be expected were highlighting & lauding the fact that Mikel hadn't been subbed off by us & that by keeping him on the pitch was advantaging them while hindering us! That was a reality check I couldn’t disagree with & highlighted we're carrying passengers that is dangerously harming us.. & as has been mentioned on here, Mikel was a MoN signing & always seems to feature despite poor performances! |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 25, 2021 0:28:26 GMT
This is one of the reasons I've lost faith in him. We already had so much useless horseshit on our books, and he's just gone and added some more! On shorter deals, far less wages and the majority of which are still at an age where they can be moved on if necessary. Oakley-Booth is 21 and was free, Thompson 24 and costs a couple of hundred grand, Fox is a steady Championship left back, Chester and Mikel will probably move on in the summer, Fletcher has something to offer when he's fit albeit we can't be over reliant on him, Brown is 22 and Doughty 21. The rest are loans and will probably go back to their respective clubs. I still think it's way too early to write some of these players off as well....... Brown worries me though. Was he really two million quid? That Brad Pitt is a genius. Wouldn’t get anywhere near their team tonight. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2021 0:33:55 GMT
On shorter deals, far less wages and the majority of which are still at an age where they can be moved on if necessary. Oakley-Booth is 21 and was free, Thompson 24 and costs a couple of hundred grand, Fox is a steady Championship left back, Chester and Mikel will probably move on in the summer, Fletcher has something to offer when he's fit albeit we can't be over reliant on him, Brown is 22 and Doughty 21. The rest are loans and will probably go back to their respective clubs. I still think it's way too early to write some of these players off as well....... Brown worries me though. Was he really two million quid? That Brad Pitt is a genius. Wouldn’t get anywhere near their team tonight. We’ve spent money on him and Thomson. Two league one players at their best at the minute. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 25, 2021 1:01:39 GMT
Brown worries me though. Was he really two million quid? That Brad Pitt is a genius. Wouldn’t get anywhere near their team tonight. We’ve spent money on him and Thomson. Two league one players at their best at the minute. They’re both letting the manager down massively in my opinion. Brown has been played in his best position the past 3 games and he’s been a 6/10 at best, in the second half of Sheffield Wednesday. Any left back up against him must think they’re in for a steady 90 minutes work. Even McClean would give his full back a tougher time. Thompson I think could be a good player. I’m not going to judge him too harshly until he has our best centre midfielder (Cousins) next to him. He still needs to be offering way more on his own though. Lots of players letting MON down apart from the reliable few. His subs are dodgy and he won’t play Cousins, other than that, I don’t think calling for his head is doing any good at all. The facts remain, we are 4 points off the play offs in a dreadful league with a dreadful squad. He’s doing okay. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 25, 2021 1:05:07 GMT
We’ve spent money on him and Thomson. Two league one players at their best at the minute. They’re both letting the manager down massively in my opinion. Brown has been played in his best position the past 3 games and he’s been a 6/10 at best, in the second half of Sheffield Wednesday. Any left back up against him must think they’re in for a steady 90 minutes work. Even McClean would give his full back a tougher time. Thompson I think could be a good player. I’m not going to judge him too harshly until he has our best centre midfielder (Cousins). He still needs to be offering way more. Lots of players letting MON down apart from the reliable few. His subs are dodgy and he won’t play Cousins, other than that, I don’t think calling for his head is doing any good at all. The facts remain, we are 4 points off the play offs in a dreadful league with a dreadful squad. He’s doing okay. They shouldn’t be playing to let him down though. And I don’t think they have let him down. They have played how they have always played, badly because they’re not of the standard required in this league. MoN has been the single biggest issue this season. He’s been poor and has made us worse from the side he turned us into last season. Which is shocking tbh. |
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Post by matelot1996 on Feb 25, 2021 1:35:13 GMT
Stoke are an established lower half Championship side with too many bang average Journey men. 1500 Stokies there tonight would have been uncomfortable listening for our “warriors.”
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 25, 2021 3:47:06 GMT
That lazy "I don't give a fuck" Mikel swipe with his left foot at the end of the game into row z angered me immensely. I'd be delighted to see him never wear a Stoke shirt ever again. Shocking tonight as we have been for much of the season. Its quite extraordinary that Powell and Fletcher have scored so many goals given the total lack of competence behind them (Souttar aside). This midfield is as bad as anything I can remember. What we'd give for a proper ball playing midfielder who can create, glide past players and excite the crowd. I think we might have sold one not so long ago. The commentators on the stream whilst being Barnsley biased as would be expected were highlighting & lauding the fact that Mikel hadn't been subbed off by us & that by keeping him on the pitch was advantaging them while hindering us! That was a reality check I couldn’t disagree with & highlighted we're carrying passengers that is dangerously harming us.. & as has been mentioned on here, Mikel was a MoN signing & always seems to feature despite poor performances! I really like Mikel, and today I was following the game intermittently on my phone while watching the kids... even I couldn’t believe it wasn’t him coming off when Cousins came on |
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