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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 23, 2021 13:52:23 GMT
I know people (I'm one TBH) who think we're miles off the play-offs however with the lock down restrictions ending on May 17th, if Stoke can somehow get into 6th or higher (not impossible but unlikely) we could potentially get to see the team in the play-off final should we make it. Gouranga.  |
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Post by olie1824 on Feb 23, 2021 13:59:05 GMT
This is likely to be an extremely unpopular opinion but I think its quite important we don't. MON has done a fantastic job of turning this club around but my fear if we went up would that it would be a year too soon without the necessary squad structure in place to cope.
Don't get me wrong ill celebrate like the best of them should it happen but I do think we would be much better placed with another two solid transfer windows behind our backs and another year in the championship before we push for promotion.
Like I said , expecting this to get the 'absoloute bull' kind of replies but it's my thoughts on it
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 23, 2021 14:04:15 GMT
This is likely to be an extremely unpopular opinion but I think its quite important we don't. MON has done a fantastic job of turning this club around but my fear if we went up would that it would be a year too soon without the necessary squad structure in place to cope. Don't get me wrong ill celebrate like the best of them should it happen but I do think we would be much better placed with another two solid transfer windows behind our backs and another year in the championship before we push for promotion. Like I said , expecting this to get the 'absoloute bull' kind of replies but it's my thoughts on it It is very rare for a club promoted to the prem to not need major investment in the summer window to make themselves fit for purpose in the Prem. Our FFP position means that promotion (and the extra £100 million income) would be by far the best outcome for us this season. Is possible? Yes it is. We need to make up 4 points on the top six and we could certainly do that. In the playoffs we'd have a decent chance - even in our winless run we remained difficult to beat. Is it probable - I have no idea!  |
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Post by Uncle cheese on Feb 23, 2021 14:06:37 GMT
This is likely to be an extremely unpopular opinion but I think its quite important we don't. MON has done a fantastic job of turning this club around but my fear if we went up would that it would be a year too soon without the necessary squad structure in place to cope. Don't get me wrong ill celebrate like the best of them should it happen but I do think we would be much better placed with another two solid transfer windows behind our backs and another year in the championship before we push for promotion. Like I said , expecting this to get the 'absoloute bull' kind of replies but it's my thoughts on it I think this is a valid point, it would be too soon. It rarely works when a team goes up and then invests in practically a whole new team. We would have to do this if we were promoted to have any chance of survival That said though I think I’d rather take the punt on getting promoted and then seeing what happens! |
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 23, 2021 14:11:10 GMT
yes. 4 points is nothing.
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Post by lordb on Feb 23, 2021 14:16:45 GMT
This is likely to be an extremely unpopular opinion but I think its quite important we don't. MON has done a fantastic job of turning this club around but my fear if we went up would that it would be a year too soon without the necessary squad structure in place to cope. Don't get me wrong ill celebrate like the best of them should it happen but I do think we would be much better placed with another two solid transfer windows behind our backs and another year in the championship before we push for promotion. Like I said , expecting this to get the 'absolute bull' kind of replies but it's my thoughts on it understand the logic however for me it's like people who say they won't have kids till they are ready - you are never ready! however I think we will miss out on the play offs this year anyway |
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Post by somersetstokie on Feb 23, 2021 14:18:29 GMT
I remember that day in 2008 when we drew with Leicester to secure our promotion. Some roaming TV crew were doing snap interviews with passing potters fans. One supporter was asked how he viewed our promotion and a future in the Premier League. His reply was "I'm terrified. But it doesn't matter, we're up!
I think this will again be a popular view next time we are promoted. But what worries me is that we then had a core of players to help make a start with the next phase of the progress, including Fuller, Delap and Shawcross, and we were able to add that group with Sorenson and Faye amongst others. If we went up now we have nothing like that platform to work on and most fans would certainly be terrified of what we might face in our first season up.
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 23, 2021 14:20:43 GMT
This Notice Board makes me smile.
Last week we had a looking over our shoulders thread, which may well return after the Brentford game , including a moronic MON out thread probably.
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Post by mattyd2 on Feb 23, 2021 14:21:16 GMT
Love these threads, they pop up so often.
We are 4 points adrift.
There are 14...yes 14 games to go.
So no we cant.
Absolutely mathematically impossible...
Oh...Hold on...Just put new batteries in my calculator.
Hell Yeah We Can.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 23, 2021 14:22:31 GMT
Thanks for the replies but my point is we could all possibly go to Wembley to watch Stoke in the play off final. Surely this is extra motivation for MON and the team. Do I think we're ready - no. Do I think we'll do it - no. However we can all dream of making that trip to Wembley and seeing Stoke play for the first time in 15 months with the possibility of promotion to the Premiership. Goaarrnnn Stoke! Gouranga. |
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Post by medwaypotter on Feb 23, 2021 14:25:18 GMT
I remember that day in 2008 when we drew with Leicester to secure our promotion. Some roaming TV crew were doing snap interviews with passing potters fans. One supporter was asked how he viewed our promotion and a future in the Premier League. His reply was "I'm terrified. But it doesn't matter, we're up! I think this will again be a popular view next time we are promoted. But what worries me is that we then had a core of players to help make a start with the next phase of the progress, including Fuller, Delap and Shawcross, and we were able to add that group with Sorenson and Faye amongst others. If we went up now we have nothing like that platform to work on and most fans would certainly be terrified of what we might face in our first season up. Bursik, Davies, Collins, Souttar, Allen, Powell, and Tyrese gives us a good core. Bring it on. |
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Post by eriksson74 on Feb 23, 2021 14:26:17 GMT
Its definitely possible for sure.
It doesn't matter if in the opinion of some it comes too early, all promoted sides need investment. From a FFP perspective promotion would be exactly what we need, and I would take a 2/3 years of yo yoing up and down to the Prem if it paved the way for further longer spell.
MON would be the ideal manager for a newly promoted club, if you consider what he did and his approach to games with Northern Ireland.
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Post by medwaypotter on Feb 23, 2021 14:35:30 GMT
Love these threads, they pop up so often. We are 4 points adrift. There are 14...yes 14 games to go. So no we cant. Absolutely mathematically impossible... Oh...Hold on...Just put new batteries in my calculator. Hell Yeah We Can. Don't be silly, I'm pretty sure 3 x 14 = 42, how on earth do we make up 4 with such a small amount to gain, besides be lucky if we draw one before relegation. |
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 23, 2021 14:40:23 GMT
Thanks for the replies but my point is we could all possibly go to Wembley to watch Stoke in the play off final. Surely this is extra motivation for MON and the team. Do I think we're ready - no. Do I think we'll do it - no. However we can all dream of making that trip to Wembley and seeing Stoke play for the first time in 15 months with the possibility of promotion to the Premiership. Goaarrnnn Stoke! Gouranga. It's only 10,000 capacity, so yeah a few people could get to see it, but far from everyone. |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 23, 2021 14:52:36 GMT
Thanks for the replies but my point is we could all possibly go to Wembley to watch Stoke in the play off final. Surely this is extra motivation for MON and the team. Do I think we're ready - no. Do I think we'll do it - no. However we can all dream of making that trip to Wembley and seeing Stoke play for the first time in 15 months with the possibility of promotion to the Premiership. Goaarrnnn Stoke! Gouranga. It's only 10,000 capacity, so yeah a few people could get to see it, but far from everyone. I'm sure I've read or heard somewhere that it would be 25% of the capacity but either way I'd camp outside the ticket office for a week to be one of the 10000! Goarn Stoke do it for us all! Gouranga. |
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 23, 2021 14:56:59 GMT
It's only 10,000 capacity, so yeah a few people could get to see it, but far from everyone. I'm sure I've read or heard somewhere that it would be 25% of the capacity but either way I'd camp outside the ticket office for a week to be one of the 10000! Goarn Stoke do it for us all! Gouranga. It's 10,000 or 25% whichever is the lower so 10K is the max they're letting in anywhere. |
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Post by moon on Feb 23, 2021 14:59:22 GMT
It's definitely possible, we're not the only team in the league to have gone through a bad patch and many of the teams above us have to play each other.
There is still everything to play for, I hope we keep this positive attitude and go out for the win in every game we play, as if we revert to the strategy of trying to remain unbeaten and accepting draws we will finish mid table.
At this moment I'm not looking beyond the game tomorrow night, we've picked up a bit of confidence again and it's important we build on that and try and make it 3 in a row, lose and the knives will be out on here again.
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Post by stokie23 on Feb 23, 2021 15:12:47 GMT
I remember that day in 2008 when we drew with Leicester to secure our promotion. Some roaming TV crew were doing snap interviews with passing potters fans. One supporter was asked how he viewed our promotion and a future in the Premier League. His reply was "I'm terrified. But it doesn't matter, we're up! I think this will again be a popular view next time we are promoted. But what worries me is that we then had a core of players to help make a start with the next phase of the progress, including Fuller, Delap and Shawcross, and we were able to add that group with Sorenson and Faye amongst others. If we went up now we have nothing like that platform to work on and most fans would certainly be terrified of what we might face in our first season up. Bursik, Davies, Collins, Souttar, Allen, Powell, and Tyrese gives us a good core. Bring it on. Yep, add in Alfie Doughty and maybe Norrington-Davies if we could sign him... |
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Post by str8outtahampton on Feb 23, 2021 15:25:06 GMT
Thanks for the replies but my point is we could all possibly go to Wembley to watch Stoke in the play off final. Surely this is extra motivation for MON and the team. Do I think we're ready - no. Do I think we'll do it - no. However we can all dream of making that trip to Wembley and seeing Stoke play for the first time in 15 months with the possibility of promotion to the Premiership. Goaarrnnn Stoke! Gouranga. It's no greater (or less) motivation for us than for any of the other clubs around us. Can we do it? Yes. Would it be better to do it this year than not? Self evidently yes. Will we do it? Put it this way. Denise thinks we have a 1 in 28 shout, and she makes a living out of predicting the future. |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Feb 23, 2021 15:29:20 GMT
I think people who think its possible to make the play offs will have a completely different view after our next three very hard games.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Feb 23, 2021 15:32:57 GMT
Sadly in this Covid world, money and the long term survival of the club is most important. Only the Premier League provides any financial security right now and £100m on promotion followed by 3 fresh years of parachute payments are vital for the club's survival. In an ideal world we could probably do with another solid year to build but with our old parachute payments ending at the end of this season and no guarantee that we'll be able to fully open the stadium next season, if we can get promotion this season we need to go for it even though we'd be likely to struggle like West Brom next season.
Hopefully if we got relegated we've learned some valuable lessons from our experience in 2018. In this Covid world parachute payments are a bigger advantage than ever and it's much better to be in receipt of them than not.
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Post by wrighter on Feb 23, 2021 15:38:05 GMT
We arent good enough [ yet] to gain promotion, we would get crucified with this team in the Prem !!
It"s comical, 2 weeks ago we had some on here talking about slipping into a relegation battle. some saying MON should go. some saying so and so not good enough
but hey ho. 2 wins against poor opposition and now we could challenge for the play offs !!
If nothing else, you certainly can get a bloody good laugh on here
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 23, 2021 15:40:02 GMT
Love these threads, they pop up so often. We are 4 points adrift. There are 14...yes 14 games to go. So no we cant. Absolutely mathematically impossible... Oh...Hold on...Just put new batteries in my calculator. Hell Yeah We Can. Don't be silly, I'm pretty sure 3 x 14 = 42, how on earth do we make up 4 with such a small amount to gain, besides be lucky if we draw one before relegation. We’ve got 15 games left. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 23, 2021 15:50:53 GMT
We arent good enough [ yet] to gain promotion, we would get crucified with this team in the Prem !!It"s comical, 2 weeks ago we had some on here talking about slipping into a relegation battle. some saying MON should go. some saying so and so not good enough but hey ho. 2 wins against poor opposition and now we could challenge for the play offs !! If nothing else, you certainly can get a bloody good laugh on here Of course we would get crucified with this team in the Prem! But what makes you think we would stick with this team in the Prem? Does any team promoted to the Prem stick with its promotion team? Don't most promoted teams use the extra £100 million ish they get for being in the Prem to improve (and pay) their squad? That's what we did last time. Alternatively we could actively try and not get promoted, to keep you happy. The extra year in the Championship would not be easy. We would still have the problems of FFP hanging over our head for one more season - only next season we would have lost the last of the parachute payments which have enabled us to keep our heads above water so far - just. We might even have to sell one or more of the saleable players we have just to avoid breaching FFP and getting a points deduction - Tyrese and Nathan Collins would bring in enough cash - so that's OK then! Sorted! |
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Post by medwaypotter on Feb 23, 2021 15:54:03 GMT
I think people who think its possible to make the play offs will have a completely different view after our next three very hard games.  |
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Post by themistocles on Feb 23, 2021 15:55:54 GMT
This thread will be deleted when we lose tomorrow
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Post by wrighter on Feb 23, 2021 16:32:51 GMT
We arent good enough [ yet] to gain promotion, we would get crucified with this team in the Prem !!It"s comical, 2 weeks ago we had some on here talking about slipping into a relegation battle. some saying MON should go. some saying so and so not good enough but hey ho. 2 wins against poor opposition and now we could challenge for the play offs !! If nothing else, you certainly can get a bloody good laugh on here Of course we would get crucified with this team in the Prem! But what makes you think we would stick with this team in the Prem? Does any team promoted to the Prem stick with its promotion team? Don't most promoted teams use the extra £100 million ish they get for being in the Prem to improve (and pay) their squad? That's what we did last time. Alternatively we could actively try and not get promoted, to keep you happy. The extra year in the Championship would not be easy. We would still have the problems of FFP hanging over our head for one more season - only next season we would have lost the last of the parachute payments which have enabled us to keep our heads above water so far - just. We might even have to sell one or more of the saleable players we have just to avoid breaching FFP and getting a points deduction - Tyrese and Nathan Collins would bring in enough cash - so that's OK then! Sorted! think you"ll find Sheffield United. Fulham, & WBA spent very little on their promoted team, and look where they are now ? yes, i would like another year in the Championship, to let our younger players a chance to prove themselves, and gain experience before being asked to play against world class players. a point i was trying make also is a couple of defeats and the grim reapers are out in force, saying we are slowly being drawn into a relegation fight, but then 2 wins on the bounce and then we get talk of play offs. you just cant make it up on here |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 23, 2021 16:40:41 GMT
Of course we would get crucified with this team in the Prem! But what makes you think we would stick with this team in the Prem? Does any team promoted to the Prem stick with its promotion team? Don't most promoted teams use the extra £100 million ish they get for being in the Prem to improve (and pay) their squad? That's what we did last time. Alternatively we could actively try and not get promoted, to keep you happy. The extra year in the Championship would not be easy. We would still have the problems of FFP hanging over our head for one more season - only next season we would have lost the last of the parachute payments which have enabled us to keep our heads above water so far - just. We might even have to sell one or more of the saleable players we have just to avoid breaching FFP and getting a points deduction - Tyrese and Nathan Collins would bring in enough cash - so that's OK then! Sorted! ? yes, i would like another year in the Championship, to let our younger players a chance to prove themselves, and gain experience before being asked to play against world class players. a point i was trying make also is a couple of defeats and the grim reapers are out in force, saying we are slowly being drawn into a relegation fight, but then 2 wins on the bounce and then we get talk of play offs. you just cant make it up on here I think you have proved my point. If you don't spend after promotion you won't do well. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 23, 2021 16:50:27 GMT
Thanks for the replies but my point is we could all possibly go to Wembley to watch Stoke in the play off final. Surely this is extra motivation for MON and the team. Do I think we're ready - no. Do I think we'll do it - no. However we can all dream of making that trip to Wembley and seeing Stoke play for the first time in 15 months with the possibility of promotion to the Premiership. Goaarrnnn Stoke! Gouranga. Do you think you'll get one of the 5000 tickets we would be allocated? If we were to get to a play-off final, we would be playing at a Wembley stadium with a capacity of only 10,000 fans. |
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 23, 2021 17:01:29 GMT
This is likely to be an extremely unpopular opinion but I think its quite important we don't. MON has done a fantastic job of turning this club around but my fear if we went up would that it would be a year too soon without the necessary squad structure in place to cope. Don't get me wrong ill celebrate like the best of them should it happen but I do think we would be much better placed with another two solid transfer windows behind our backs and another year in the championship before we push for promotion. Like I said , expecting this to get the 'absoloute bull' kind of replies but it's my thoughts on it I really don’t get this logic at all. Do we: A) Stay in a very tough league with little to no financial ability to add real quality without losing at least one of our saleable assets, whilst trying to build the core of a squad that MIGHT stay up if we’re promoted B) Get promoted and instantly have access to significant funds to strengthen our squad without fear of FFP (albeit in a much tougher league) and, at very worst, come back down for another pop but this time with ££ to hopefully spend more wisely Getting that squad structure that you refer to is damn hard right now when we’ve got to rely on loans and freebies, and every season there are 3 teams joining the league with a lot more financial muscle than us. If we purposely didn’t get promoted (does ANY team actually do that?) and waited for the perfect squad to be in place, we’d never get promoted. |
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