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Post by franklin on Feb 4, 2021 10:33:03 GMT
Mad thing is that no wins in 9 games, 7 in championship, and we're still only 4 points of play offs. What a crazy league this is. Which makes it even more disappointing that they seem to have written it off when even with the slightest investment up front could have seen us well in with a chance of the playoffs or better. A shit league there for the taking but for the reluctance to play to win or invest in a striker.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 4, 2021 10:37:33 GMT
Mad thing is that no wins in 9 games, 7 in championship, and we're still only 4 points of play offs. What a crazy league this is. Which makes it even more disappointing that they seem to have written it off when even with the slightest investment up front could have seen us well in with a chance of the playoffs or better. A shit league there for the taking but for the reluctance to play to win or invest in a striker. There will be other fans at other clubs in this Division saying exactly the same. The fact is good strikers at this level don't grow on trees, if they are that good they are probably unaffordable. Strikers are the most sought after player and their value is therefore sky high. We cannot afford to gamble on another potential failure.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 4, 2021 10:40:28 GMT
The way MON went about things last season,I thought we would be exiting to watch this season,even if we didn't go up there would be plenty of goals to look forward to,how wrong can you be?
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Post by franklin on Feb 4, 2021 10:42:25 GMT
Which makes it even more disappointing that they seem to have written it off when even with the slightest investment up front could have seen us well in with a chance of the playoffs or better. A shit league there for the taking but for the reluctance to play to win or invest in a striker. There will be other fans at other clubs in this Division saying exactly the same. The fact is good strikers at this level don't grow on trees, if they are that good they are probably unaffordable. Strikers are the most sought after player and their value is therefore sky high. We cannot afford to gamble on another potential failure. We might aswel give up then and only sign players that are 100% sure to succeed, do they exist.....
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 4, 2021 11:00:06 GMT
There will be other fans at other clubs in this Division saying exactly the same. The fact is good strikers at this level don't grow on trees, if they are that good they are probably unaffordable. Strikers are the most sought after player and their value is therefore sky high. We cannot afford to gamble on another potential failure. We might aswel give up then and only sign players that are 100% sure to succeed, do they exist..... Well that's the problem we find ourselves in isn't it? Who, and Where are these affordable decent strikers? Nobody is giving up, only a handful of supporters who need a reality check.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 4, 2021 11:03:26 GMT
The speed with which a lot of Stoke fans adapt to and accept under performance and mediocrity never ceases to amaze.
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Post by franklin on Feb 4, 2021 11:03:54 GMT
We might aswel give up then and only sign players that are 100% sure to succeed, do they exist..... Well that's the problem we find ourselves in isn't it? Who, and Where are these affordable decent strikers? Nobody is giving up, only a handful of supporters who need a reality check. I love that response "who and where are they" its not my job to find them its the club and the recruitment team and to do so within our spending.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 4, 2021 11:08:02 GMT
Well that's the problem we find ourselves in isn't it? Who, and Where are these affordable decent strikers? Nobody is giving up, only a handful of supporters who need a reality check. I love that response "who and where are they" its not my job to find them its the club and the recruitment team and to do so within our spending. So if there are aren't any affordable, decent Championship strikers out there what do you expect?
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Post by franklin on Feb 4, 2021 11:08:57 GMT
I love that response "who and where are they" its not my job to find them its the club and the recruitment team and to do so within our spending. So if there are aren't any affordable, decent Championship strikers out there what do you expect? And you know that how.....
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 4, 2021 11:19:24 GMT
So if there are aren't any affordable, decent Championship strikers out there what do you expect? And you know that how..... It's pretty obvious to anyone who follows football that there are not loads of available decent, proven Championship strikers. If, any. There are even threads on here which back that up. What names have emerged? In fact, all evidence backs that up. The days of bringing players from Europe are gone because of new visa regulations, unless they are established internationals (again big money) It's a very limited field. Other clubs were scrambling around for a forward in the window. Not much activity there either. We haven't got the financial capacity to pay out for one even if there is one available. This is clear. It's not a choice between buying a winger and a striker because wingers are more readily available and will be cheaper. You moan about something and then say you have no idea about the thing you are moaning about!!!
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Post by franklin on Feb 4, 2021 11:22:41 GMT
And you know that how..... It's pretty obvious to anyone who follows football that there are not loads of available decent, proven Championship strikers. If, any. There are even threads on here which back that up. What names have emerged? In fact, all evidence backs that up. The days of bringing players from Europe are gone because of new visa regulations, unless they are established internationals (again big money) It's a very limited field. Other clubs were scrambling around for a forward in the window. Not much activity there either. We haven't got the financial capacity to pay out for one even if there is one available. This is clear. It's not a choice between buying a winger and a striker because wingers are more readily available and will be cheaper. You moan about something and then say you have no idea about the thing you are moaning about!!! So the short answer is you don't know, you're guessing and making excuses.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 4, 2021 11:23:46 GMT
It's pretty obvious to anyone who follows football that there are not loads of available decent, proven Championship strikers. If, any. There are even threads on here which back that up. What names have emerged? In fact, all evidence backs that up. The days of bringing players from Europe are gone because of new visa regulations, unless they are established internationals (again big money) It's a very limited field. Other clubs were scrambling around for a forward in the window. Not much activity there either. We haven't got the financial capacity to pay out for one even if there is one available. This is clear. It's not a choice between buying a winger and a striker because wingers are more readily available and will be cheaper. You moan about something and then say you have no idea about the thing you are moaning about!!! So the short answer is you don't know, you're guessing and making excuses. FFS!!!...I give up!!! What is the point
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Post by franklin on Feb 4, 2021 11:25:09 GMT
So the short answer is you don't know, you're guessing and making excuses. FFS!!!...I give up!!! Good because you're boring.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 4, 2021 11:26:33 GMT
Good because you're boring. Lovely....how gracious of you
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Post by ladyinred on Feb 4, 2021 11:29:00 GMT
I don't agree that we are weaker now than we were on Jan 1st.
OUT Ince Gregory Lindsay Wimmer Verlinden
A handful of appearances between them - have had minimal impact on our season so far.
IN Clarke Matondo Norrington-Davies Doughty (may be available towards the end of the season)
This has brought us some much needed pace, and the balance of an actual LB.
Yes a replacement for Campbell/Fletcher back-up was most definitely desirable, but overall IMHO we have strengthened during this window.
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Post by franklin on Feb 4, 2021 11:29:24 GMT
Good because you're boring. Lovely....how gracious of you Feel free to ignore me.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 4, 2021 11:30:48 GMT
Lovely....how gracious of you Feel free to ignore me. Thank you for a useful tip
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 4, 2021 11:38:18 GMT
Anyone else feel like the seasons already ended?I don't even feel like it has started Not being able to watch in person has taken all the emotion out of the game for me. I don't even bother with the streams, it's just not the same I would willingly write off this season...and am sure it will be very forgettable in the not too distant future (as a football season, not for other obvious reasons) It's a spectator sport...with no spectators!
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Post by s7oke on Feb 4, 2021 11:58:05 GMT
Nah fuck it It’s on Come June or whenever it is international tournament time and a few months closer to running some contracts down 😁😂 Enjoy the warm up to the main event as hopefully come next season we may be able to vent our spleens in the ground Now that’s something to look forward too Gooooaaarrrrrnnnn STOKE !!!!!!!
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Post by stormin on Feb 4, 2021 12:14:31 GMT
We might aswel give up then and only sign players that are 100% sure to succeed, do they exist..... Well that's the problem we find ourselves in isn't it? Who, and Where are these affordable decent strikers? Nobody is giving up, only a handful of supporters who need a reality check. It is a perennial problem with Stoke, Lou was within a whisker of getting promotion to Div 1 and required a striker to ensure promotion and nothing happened.
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Post by cousindupree on Feb 4, 2021 12:38:48 GMT
Well the reality is that we are edging ever closer to a season end, which should not really have come to this. I think Reading and Bournemouth remain the most vulnerable to slipping out of the top 6.The big question is can anyone take their place. The candidates seem to be Bristol City, Middlesboro maybe Blackburn and possibly us. We really should be the strongest challenges but a lack of fire power and a conservative manager suggests we are more likely to slip further behind and require a run of wins which at the moment seems remote. I have to admit to my obsession of all things SCFC has waned over the last few years and is currently so low that I am more looking forward to Test matches in India, the 6 nations Rugby and the Superbowl than whether a declining SCFC can somehow remain hopeful of salvaging a wasted season. In fairness I can't wait for the season to end.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 13:27:59 GMT
Mad thing is that no wins in 9 games, 7 in championship, and we're still only 4 points of play offs. What a crazy league this is. Replace the word 'crazy' for 'shite', and you're bang on the money. It's a terrible League, where the majority of clubs are just striving to be 'less shit' than the next. Brentford look like the best side in the division, and whilst we're all blaming the loss of Campbell on our recent woes, we should remember that they've lost Maupay, plus Watkins & Benrahma very recently. Whilst some on here are 'just grateful' that we're not playing in League One, and somehow our recent run is OK, because we're in transition, or whatever you want to call it - I look at Luton, and Barnsley, who are within spitting distance of us, without the squad we've got, and Reading, promotion contenders, flying, come from nowhere....and it seems that 'miracles' are happening elsewhere, all around us. 1 win in 13, or whatever it is, I can't be arsed to look, is shite, whether you're Stoke City or Wycombe Wanderers.
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Post by westlandstokie on Feb 4, 2021 13:42:26 GMT
Arguably the biggest game of the season. Anything less than a win will likely extinguish any remaining hopes we have for the play offs. But yeah, does feel like consolidation time with a hint of resignation to a mid table finish Not bringing in a striker doesn't help. Four points from a play off spot and twelve points from bottom three. Personally I don’t think we will be anywhere near the playoffs...hopefully finish about 15th...we are just so dull and boring to watch it almost makes me happy I ain’t there watching it.
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Post by skip on Feb 4, 2021 13:47:36 GMT
Bunny said it best on Twitter. MON is doing two jobs right now. Managing the first team and sorting out years of shit with useless signings on expensive contracts. I imagine some of this testing O'Neil's patience at best and soul destroying at worst. The season so far viewed from that angle is miraculous rather than disappointing.
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Post by franklin on Feb 4, 2021 13:55:24 GMT
Bunny said it best on Twitter. MON is doing two jobs right now. Managing the first team and sorting out years of shit with useless signings on expensive contracts. I imagine some of this testing O'Neil's patience at best and soul destroying at worst. The season so far viewed from that angle is miraculous rather than disappointing. I would be very surprised if his staff or others at the club don't deal with the "shit" maybe he should delegate if he's busy.
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Post by Gods on Feb 4, 2021 13:57:12 GMT
The trouble is you'd pick our loaned out / injured team to dispatch our in-house / available team with something to spare!
Heaven knows how that is still the case 3 years after our relegation.
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Post by skip on Feb 4, 2021 13:57:54 GMT
Bunny said it best on Twitter. MON is doing two jobs right now. Managing the first team and sorting out years of shit with useless signings on expensive contracts. I imagine some of this testing O'Neil's patience at best and soul destroying at worst. The season so far viewed from that angle is miraculous rather than disappointing. I would be very surprised if his staff or others at the club don't deal with the "shit" maybe he should delegate if he's busy. True, but as the manager of the first team, he has to make the call on who to persist with and who to chuck out on loan and his reputation is on the line, with everyone and their aunt questioning his decision making. Just saying it takes a certain personality to deal with this and I think he's the best we can get from what we've seen so far. Can't say I've enjoyed watching a game for a good while though.
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Post by themistocles on Feb 4, 2021 13:59:43 GMT
Yes play the players you want here next season
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Post by skip on Feb 4, 2021 14:00:16 GMT
The trouble is you'd pick our loaned out / injured team to dispatch our in-house / available team with something to spare! Heaven knows how that is still the case 3 years after our relegation. That's kind of what I'm alluding to. I bet the right hand column of the Stoke City Senior Pro's spreadsheet makes for pretty alarming reading. To say nothing of triangulating that with Opta performance Stats, and those that aren't pulling up trees in training and so on.
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Post by skip on Feb 4, 2021 14:02:00 GMT
Yes play the players you want here next season But also offset that against the needs of the immediate term (this season), medium term (next two seasons) and longer term aims. It looks like a piece of cake from here, but you've got to made of strong stuff to manage Stoke City right now. Other clubs in similar predicaments are also available.
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