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Post by butlerstbob on Feb 1, 2021 18:01:23 GMT
I wish I could find that post from last season where somebody with a bit of a financial background said it’s more viable to loan a player than to sell them due to decreasing transfer value Anybody? Isn't it something to do with there being very little FFP advantage in a transfer because the fee is spread across the duration of the contract? Read the link above chap, explains it perfectly👍 |
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2021 18:02:14 GMT
Crappy is still angry that Stoke turned down Burnley bid for Collins
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 1, 2021 18:02:26 GMT
Isn't it something to do with there being very little FFP advantage in a transfer because the fee is spread across the duration of the contract? Read the link above chap, explains it perfectly👍 Ok thanks just seen that, missed it the first time. Cheers. |
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Post by butlerstbob on Feb 1, 2021 18:02:39 GMT
You haven't read the link have you, it's not just wages it's also the asset value which helps against FFP Christ on a bike! “Debating with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to shit all over the board and strut around like it won anyway......” As analogies go that's pretty damn good and spot on👏👌 |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2021 18:03:22 GMT
The idea is that the club loaning pays all or the majority of their wages ! in our case they don't, it's financial suicide. You haven't read the link have you, it's not just wages it's also the asset value which helps against FFP Christ on a bike! Only way that works is running down their value year on year so they become less of an asset, it's tantamount to admitting that you have paid massively over the odd's for rubbish whilst still paying their massive wages which come off the top line and will continue to do so, as I said financial suicide to try to avoid a situation that our management have created, it won't work in my opinion we will start next season with a twelve point deduction due to incompetent management of the clubs finances we will have to see. |
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2021 18:06:47 GMT
You haven't read the link have you, it's not just wages it's also the asset value which helps against FFP Christ on a bike! Only way that works is running down their value year on year so they become less of an asset, it's tantamount to admitting that you have paid massively over the odd's for rubbish whilst still paying their massive wages which come off the top line and will continue to do so, as I said financial suicide to try to avoid a situation that our management have created, it won't work in my opinion we will start next season with a twelve point deduction due to incompetent management of the clubs finances we will have to see. Ok will pin this |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2021 18:07:49 GMT
I wish I could find that post from last season where somebody with a bit of a financial background said it’s more viable to loan a player than to sell them due to decreasing transfer value Anybody? Isn't it something to do with there being very little FFP advantage in a transfer because the fee is spread across the duration of the contract? It is exactly that it's also an admission that you have overpaid for players through incompetent management, basically waiting for the paper value of these players to depreciate however we are stuck paying their wages or the majority of them until their contracts run out and they become write offs. |
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Post by kingdaz on Feb 1, 2021 18:09:08 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2021 18:09:39 GMT
“Debating with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to shit all over the board and strut around like it won anyway......” As analogies go that's pretty damn good and spot on👏👌 He use's that one a lot normally when he is losing which is fairly often  |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2021 18:10:53 GMT
Crappy is still angry that Stoke turned down Burnley bid for Collins  poor retort. |
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Post by butlerstbob on Feb 1, 2021 18:12:29 GMT
You haven't read the link have you, it's not just wages it's also the asset value which helps against FFP Christ on a bike! Only way that works is running down their value year on year so they become less of an asset, it's tantamount to admitting that you have paid massively over the odd's for rubbish whilst still paying their massive wages which come off the top line and will continue to do so, as I said financial suicide to try to avoid a situation that our management have created, it won't work in my opinion we will start next season with a twelve point deduction due to incompetent management of the clubs finances we will have to see. In your opinion? Give Coates a call as you obviously know better that the club👍😁 |
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Post by butlerstbob on Feb 1, 2021 18:17:24 GMT
Have I missed something I thought they were skint? Allegedly they are in for 2 or 3 newcomers, including our own superstar Gregory. Yes 3 loans |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2021 18:18:41 GMT
Only way that works is running down their value year on year so they become less of an asset, it's tantamount to admitting that you have paid massively over the odd's for rubbish whilst still paying their massive wages which come off the top line and will continue to do so, as I said financial suicide to try to avoid a situation that our management have created, it won't work in my opinion we will start next season with a twelve point deduction due to incompetent management of the clubs finances we will have to see. In your opinion? Give Coates a call as you obviously know better that the club👍😁 Yep that's why I stated in my opinion, we will see at the start of next season what happens with FFP, I will gladly admit if I am wrong but on the evidence of this scramble to offload our shit anywhere I don't think I will be far out. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 1, 2021 18:18:42 GMT
As analogies go that's pretty damn good and spot on👏👌 He use's that one a lot normally when he is losing which is fairly often He’s shat on the board folks, he just needs to strut around for a bit now before he can go back to the EE board and bang on about illegal aliens..... |
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2021 18:18:45 GMT
Crappy is still angry that Stoke turned down Burnley bid for Collins poor retort. Wasn't a retort merely a comment on your state of mind Your pissed off we haven't sold him for peanuts |
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 1, 2021 18:20:40 GMT
To Loan City how many have we got out on loan now ?
Badou Etebo BMI Woods Wimmer Lindsay Gregory Afobe
Any more ?
I wonder how much we are paying towards their wages.
How about you changing your record?  |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2021 18:21:12 GMT
Allegedly they are in for 2 or 3 newcomers, including our own superstar Gregory. Yes 3 loans "You do realise that there's a pandemic, no money coming into clubs, most football clubs are struggling for cash so there are very few football clubs that can afford these players!" |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2021 18:22:46 GMT
poor retort. Wasn't a retort merely a comment on your state of mind Your pissed off we haven't sold him for peanuts  why would I be pissed off we haven't given away another player  |
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Post by butlerstbob on Feb 1, 2021 18:24:00 GMT
"You do realise that there's a pandemic, no money coming into clubs, most football clubs are struggling for cash so there are very few football clubs that can afford these players!" Which is why I quoted Somerset who was implying Derby were splashing the cash! This is like trying to play chess with a fucking pigeon! Shit everywhere!! |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2021 18:24:29 GMT
To Loan City how many have we got out on loan now ?
Badou Etebo BMI Woods Wimmer Lindsay Gregory Afobe
Any more ?
I wonder how much we are paying towards their wages.
How about you changing your record? How about you contributing something meaningful for a change ? |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2021 18:27:18 GMT
"You do realise that there's a pandemic, no money coming into clubs, most football clubs are struggling for cash so there are very few football clubs that can afford these players!" [br Which is why I quoted Somerset who was implying Derby were splashing the cash! This is like trying to play chess with a fucking pigeon! Shit everywhere!! Using Prestwich analogies how low can you go Bob. You reckon Derby are not paying their wages then ? |
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 1, 2021 18:29:08 GMT
How about you changing your record? How about you contributing something meaningful for a change ? PMSL. Good one. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Feb 1, 2021 18:39:53 GMT
Anyone seen a football thread around here somewhere?
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 1, 2021 19:31:43 GMT
You haven't read the link have you, it's not just wages it's also the asset value which helps against FFP Christ on a bike! “Debating with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to shit all over the board and strut around like it won anyway......” Fuck me you really need to get over yourself. He’s opened a thread and asked a question. Christ on a fucking bike |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 1, 2021 19:41:03 GMT
“Debating with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to shit all over the board and strut around like it won anyway......” Fuck me you really need to get over yourself. He’s opened a thread and asked a question. Christ on a fucking bike It's his M.O. mate if he can't compete he resorts to abuse it's the way he and a few others work if they weren't slating me it would be somebody else sad really. |
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Post by professorplump on Feb 1, 2021 19:48:18 GMT
It's always easy to be wise in hindsight and I don't recall many people on here complaining about these signings at the time. There may have been some complaints about Wimmer but that was more due to us not needing another CB than the player himself. I take the OP's point on due diligence but it is not always easy to determine how a particular player will react to a hypothetical situation in the future. There will always be an element of risk with any transfer and I suspect other clubs make mistakes as well.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 1, 2021 19:50:36 GMT
“Debating with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to shit all over the board and strut around like it won anyway......” Fuck me you really need to get over yourself. He’s opened a thread and asked a question. Christ on a fucking bike Ah he asked a question right. In which case the answer is no we shouldn’t change our name to Loan City as that would be fucking moronic. |
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Post by stuammo on Feb 1, 2021 19:51:53 GMT
I wish I could find that post from last season where somebody with a bit of a financial background said it’s more viable to loan a player than to sell them due to decreasing transfer value Anybody? It’s to do with the write off of a players purchase fee against the contract. If we buy someone for £10m on a 5 year contract they are written down or amortised at £2m a year. So if after year one the player is a failure and we sold for £5m we’d record a £3m loss (10-2-5). If that same player is loaned, there is no loss to record with regards to FFP rules. If that makes sense Edit. Just seen the link now explaining fully |
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Post by werrington on Feb 1, 2021 19:55:56 GMT
I wish I could find that post from last season where somebody with a bit of a financial background said it’s more viable to loan a player than to sell them due to decreasing transfer value Anybody? It’s to do with the write off of a players purchase fee against the contract. If we buy someone for £10m on a 5 year contract they are written down or amortised at £2m a year. So if after year one the player is a failure and we sold for £5m we’d record a £3m loss (10-2-5). If that same player is loaned, there is no loss to record with regards to FFP rules. If that makes sense Edit. Just seen the link now explaining fully Ta mate....hope you well? |
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Post by whatsashig on Feb 1, 2021 19:55:59 GMT
Nope
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poor retort.
why would I be pissed off we haven't given away another player 
