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Post by liathroid on Jan 22, 2021 23:16:22 GMT
Him and Obi don't mix
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 22, 2021 23:17:02 GMT
We have 2 or 3 players who offer similar or better but aren't earning a third of what he's on. He literally doesn't make a scrap of difference in the middle.
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Jan 22, 2021 23:17:24 GMT
4-2-3-1
Davies Collins Souttar Chester RND Cousins Thompson Allen Powell Clucas Campbell
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 22, 2021 23:18:06 GMT
P 7 W 0 D 4 L 3
F 6 A 12
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 23:19:20 GMT
If you think we can afford his wages and or worth it then so are you. It’s not my money and none of my business (another man’s salary). But he’s certainly good enough for Stoke City (and any other side in the division). I'm not sure Joe Allen gets into any of those Top 6 sides midfields...maybe Reading.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 23:20:27 GMT
If anyone thinks that Stoke are too good for Joe Allen is frankly insane Can you honestly say we missed him when he was injured? Do you think stoke city are too good for Joe Allen?
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Post by datguy on Jan 22, 2021 23:23:32 GMT
Can you honestly say we missed him when he was injured? Do you think stoke city are too good for Joe Allen? Yes, absolutely. If he was better than us, well... he wouldn't be here. But he's not. Once again, can you honestly say we missed him when he was injured?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 22, 2021 23:25:50 GMT
If you think we can afford his wages and or worth it then so are you. It’s not my money and none of my business (another man’s salary). But he’s certainly good enough for Stoke City (and any other side in the division). So you don't care that we're spending mental money each week on say Ince either, give over. If you're a supporter of the club then it is your business, I'd rather it not be crippled by such things.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 22, 2021 23:27:03 GMT
Allen doesn't mix with anyone, we've had him for some time now and not one manager has found a position where he actually works well for the team on a consistant basis other than just one pass now and then.
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Post by houstonsteve on Jan 22, 2021 23:29:34 GMT
When he plays Clucas is the problem. Last season was one of those freak events it seems (goals). Does nothing in either the top or bottom 3rd of the pitch, doesn't tackle, falls over like a fanny if he is so much as touched by an opposition player and is always behind any opposition midfield runner. Without the goals he's a waste of space.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 23:34:11 GMT
Do you think stoke city are too good for Joe Allen? Yes, absolutely. If he was better than us, well... he wouldn't be here. But he's not. Once again, can you honestly say we missed him when he was injured? For me - yes. I think Joe Allen is a better player than Thompson, Cousins, Woods, etc. So does Michael O’Neill.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 22, 2021 23:37:34 GMT
Yes, absolutely. If he was better than us, well... he wouldn't be here. But he's not. Once again, can you honestly say we missed him when he was injured? For me - yes. I think Joe Allen is a better player than Thompson, Cousins, Woods, etc. So does Michael O’Neill. So did, Mark Hughes Gary Rowett Nathan Jones.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 23:37:38 GMT
It’s not my money and none of my business (another man’s salary). But he’s certainly good enough for Stoke City (and any other side in the division). So you don't care that we're spending mental money each week on say Ince either, give over. If you're a supporter of the club then it is your business, I'd rather it not be crippled by such things. Ince doesn’t play so it’s different. Of course I don’t want Stoke to “be crippled by such things”, but I didn’t mind when we were paying Arnautovic and Shaqiri top dollar because that’s what you have to do to get and keep good players. Joe Allen isn’t even in our top 10 problems on the playing staff and he’s worth his place in the team. He’s one of the best midfielders in the division.
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Post by datguy on Jan 22, 2021 23:38:03 GMT
Yes, absolutely. If he was better than us, well... he wouldn't be here. But he's not. Once again, can you honestly say we missed him when he was injured? For me - yes. I think Joe Allen is a better player than Thompson, Cousins, Woods, etc. So does Michael O’Neill. You're insane if you think Stoke City is better than Joe Allen . . . but the best compliment you can pay him is he's a better player than Thompson (League 1), Cousins (League 1) and a bloke that has never been in MON's plans. Think you've just provided the best argument to how shite and overrated he is.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 22, 2021 23:40:39 GMT
For me - yes. I think Joe Allen is a better player than Thompson, Cousins, Woods, etc. So does Michael O’Neill. So did, Mark Hughes Gary Rowett Nathan Jones. And Lambert Sacked, Sacked, Sacked and Sacked.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 23:40:48 GMT
For me - yes. I think Joe Allen is a better player than Thompson, Cousins, Woods, etc. So does Michael O’Neill. You're insane if you think Stoke City is better than Joe Allen . . . but the best compliment you can pay him is he's a better player than Thompson (League 1), Cousins (League 1) and a bloke that has never been in MON's plans. Think you've just provided the best argument to how shite and overrated he is. So, by definition, he’s better than Cousins and Thompson (you say they’re league 1 players) so you’re therefore saying he’s worth his place in the team (Cousins and Thompson are his competition) and therefore is Stoke City is not too good for Joe Allen Cheers. You proved me right.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 22, 2021 23:43:07 GMT
Cousins is easily the most useful midfielder we have at the minute and the only one that works for the team.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 22, 2021 23:47:21 GMT
So you don't care that we're spending mental money each week on say Ince either, give over. If you're a supporter of the club then it is your business, I'd rather it not be crippled by such things. Ince doesn’t play so it’s different. Of course I don’t want Stoke to “be crippled by such things”, but I didn’t mind when we were paying Arnautovic and Shaqiri top dollar because that’s what you have to do to get and keep good players. Joe Allen isn’t even in our top 10 problems on the playing staff and he’s worth his place in the team. He’s one of the best midfielders in the division. Arni and Shaq were absolute quality you could use to build a team around Allen is not such player. Joe Allen doesn't fit in the set up, so far any set up, so he is a problem he isn't fully fit either. Edit I don't think he's the best midfielder at the club so clearly I disagree with the last bit
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Post by garyevans on Jan 22, 2021 23:50:23 GMT
Mikel is terrible player need to drop him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 23:50:45 GMT
Ince doesn’t play so it’s different. Of course I don’t want Stoke to “be crippled by such things”, but I didn’t mind when we were paying Arnautovic and Shaqiri top dollar because that’s what you have to do to get and keep good players. Joe Allen isn’t even in our top 10 problems on the playing staff and he’s worth his place in the team. He’s one of the best midfielders in the division. Arni and Shaq were absolute quality you could use to build a team around Allen is not such player. Joe Allen doesn't fit in the set up, so far any set up, so he is a problem he isn't fully fit either. Edit I don't think he's the best midfielder at the club so clearly I disagree with the last bit If we can agree that Powell is a forward rather than a midfielder, who is better than Allen at the club?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 22, 2021 23:51:36 GMT
We’ve never once needed him, we didn’t need him when he signed and we definitely don’t need him now.
The bloke is shite and his inclusion is to the detriment of the rest of the team.
The run we had when he was out of the team speaks volumes, we should cash in ASAP.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 22, 2021 23:55:04 GMT
Arni and Shaq were absolute quality you could use to build a team around Allen is not such player. Joe Allen doesn't fit in the set up, so far any set up, so he is a problem he isn't fully fit either. Edit I don't think he's the best midfielder at the club so clearly I disagree with the last bit If we can agree that Powell is a forward rather than a midfielder, who is better than Allen at the club? That fits in, Clucas and Cousins, in general Clucas with the caveat of him being in form, Mikel could be if he wasn't flogged to death. I'd put Allen in the Thompson bracket they offer pretty much the same. It all depends what you want your mid doing though, Allen doesn't win the ball or have a good range of passing and he doesn't score goals either but he does pop up with something once every 4/5 games and puts his all in however limited that is.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 23, 2021 0:03:03 GMT
If we can agree that Powell is a forward rather than a midfielder, who is better than Allen at the club? That fits in, Clucas and Cousins, in general Clucas with the caveat of him being in form, Mikel could be if he wasn't flogged to death. I'd put Allen in the Thompson bracket they offer pretty much the same. It all depends what you want your mid doing though, Allen doesn't win the ball or have a good range of passing and he doesn't score goals either but he does pop up with something once every 4/5 games and puts his all in however limited that is. Cousins is most definitely better, last seasons Clucas is better (on par this season) Thompson and Tymon currently on par but the prospects are vastly different to what Allen offers in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 0:04:13 GMT
If we can agree that Powell is a forward rather than a midfielder, who is better than Allen at the club? That fits in, Clucas and Cousins, in general Clucas with the caveat of him being in form, Mikel could be if he wasn't flogged to death. I'd put Allen in the Thompson bracket they offer pretty much the same. It all depends what you want your mid doing though, Allen doesn't win the ball or have a good range of passing and he doesn't score goals either but he does pop up with something once every 4/5 games and puts his all in however limited that is. Ok, so if you’re saying that Jordan Cousins is better than Joe Allen at football - and Clucas is too, on the basis that he’s in form (which he isn’t) then let’s just leave it there. Allen does win the the ball and breaks up attacks. He also gets into spaces to receive the ball and make key passes (did you see the goal tonight?) - but if these things don’t fit into what you want a midfielder to do then I guess you should play Jordan Cousins (who is fit and not started a game since Allen is back. And trust me, you and I don’t know more than the staff at Stoke. They see them every day and can use either. They use Allen).
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Post by datguy on Jan 23, 2021 0:06:05 GMT
You're insane if you think Stoke City is better than Joe Allen . . . but the best compliment you can pay him is he's a better player than Thompson (League 1), Cousins (League 1) and a bloke that has never been in MON's plans. Think you've just provided the best argument to how shite and overrated he is. So, by definition, he’s better than Cousins and Thompson (you say they’re league 1 players) so you’re therefore saying he’s worth his place in the team (Cousins and Thompson are his competition) and therefore is Stoke City is not too good for Joe Allen Cheers. You proved me right. No. I'm not saying that in the slightest. He's not worth his place in the team. And I don't think I've said he's better than either of Thompson or Cousins - who are League 1 at best. Stoke City is too good for Joe Allen. If the best compliment you can throw his way is that he's better than two players that are lucky to be at Stoke (but replaced him easily when he was injured) then that says it all for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 0:07:11 GMT
That fits in, Clucas and Cousins, in general Clucas with the caveat of him being in form, Mikel could be if he wasn't flogged to death. I'd put Allen in the Thompson bracket they offer pretty much the same. It all depends what you want your mid doing though, Allen doesn't win the ball or have a good range of passing and he doesn't score goals either but he does pop up with something once every 4/5 games and puts his all in however limited that is. Cousins is most definitely better, last seasons Clucas is better (on par this season) Thompson and Tymon currently on par but the prospects are vastly different to what Allen offers in the future. I’m happy to listen to counter arguments on this (that’s what the message board is for) but you can’t seriously say that Tymon is even close to being as good as Joe Allen? Tymon is one of the worst players we’ve had in recent memory. He’s not even a midfielder. I’ll accept that some people think Cousins is a good player (at a very specific one dimensional job) and if that’s what people want - then fill your boots, but Tymon. Come on mate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 0:08:07 GMT
So, by definition, he’s better than Cousins and Thompson (you say they’re league 1 players) so you’re therefore saying he’s worth his place in the team (Cousins and Thompson are his competition) and therefore is Stoke City is not too good for Joe Allen Cheers. You proved me right. No. I'm not saying that in the slightest. He's not worth his place in the team. And I don't think I've said he's better than either of Thompson or Cousins - who are League 1 at best. Stoke City is too good for Joe Allen. If the best compliment you can throw his way is that he's better than two players that are lucky to be at Stoke (but replaced him easily when he was injured) then that says it all for me. So if Joe Allen isn’t good enough for Stoke, who would you give his shirt to?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2021 0:08:23 GMT
Cousins is most definitely better, last seasons Clucas is better (on par this season) Thompson and Tymon currently on par but the prospects are vastly different to what Allen offers in the future. I’m happy to listen to counter arguments on this (that’s what the message board is for) but you can’t seriously say that Tymon is even close to being as good as Joe Allen? Tymon is one of the worst players we’ve had in recent memory. He’s not even a midfielder. I’ll accept that some people think Cousins is a good player (at a very specific one dimensional job) and if that’s what people want - then fill your boots, but Tymon. Come on mate. Cousins and Tymon was better than what we’ve had since Allen came back in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 0:10:16 GMT
I’m happy to listen to counter arguments on this (that’s what the message board is for) but you can’t seriously say that Tymon is even close to being as good as Joe Allen? Tymon is one of the worst players we’ve had in recent memory. He’s not even a midfielder. I’ll accept that some people think Cousins is a good player (at a very specific one dimensional job) and if that’s what people want - then fill your boots, but Tymon. Come on mate. Cousins and Tymon was better than what we’ve had since Allen came back in. Cousins and Tymon. 2 players nobody has ever used despite them being fit, available, and in training every day. I guess they’re your new Verlinden. Nobody can ever really argue because your favourite players NEVER play. And I know why.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 23, 2021 0:11:37 GMT
Cousins is most definitely better, last seasons Clucas is better (on par this season) Thompson and Tymon currently on par but the prospects are vastly different to what Allen offers in the future. I’m happy to listen to counter arguments on this (that’s what the message board is for) but you can’t seriously say that Tymon is even close to being as good as Joe Allen? Tymon is one of the worst players we’ve had in recent memory. He’s not even a midfielder. I’ll accept that some people think Cousins is a good player (at a very specific one dimensional job) and if that’s what people want - then fill your boots, but Tymon. Come on mate. Are you serious, he did an OK job next to Cousins when, Mikel, Thompson and Clucas were all out. Far better stats than that we are serving up currently with JA's D4 L3
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