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Post by PotterLog on Jan 9, 2021 20:53:25 GMT
I only watched about ten minutes of the second half today. I didn’t even know the lineup but I immediately knew Joe was playing when I switched it on because there were about four Leicester players swarming into a chasm in front of our defence And that is the problem. His all action style can come at the detriment of the team’s overall performance. O’Neill will have to work out a midfield that is harmonious because that three today won’t do it. It’s weird. He’s not good enough to build a midfield around, but I’m not sure how he just slots in anywhere. His best games have always come when he plays further forward and pressures their deeper players into mistakes imo. But it’s limiting and not suitable for all games.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 9, 2021 21:08:00 GMT
My idea is he’d do the buzzing around so that Cousins can concentrate on what he does best, and that Powell can be further forward without having to track back as much. Preferred over Mikel for me at the moment, Thompson is getting there slowly now though! I think Allen would make Cousins job much harder, he's been playing well before he was bizarly dropped but he'd have zero help if Allen was playing along side him constately out of position letting the oppo glide past him, when at our best with Whelan and N'Zonzi the latter still helped out. I don't think Thompson is any different than he was when we first signed him, he offers nothing bar a decenct cross from set plays now and then and Clucas showed today he can do that. It’s a tricky one. We need a CM to complement Cousins who’s a good all rounder that can move the ball forwards quickly. The shape today was all wrong as they were all too similar. Not sure what the answer is but for me I’d probably go with Allen because when fit he has the best engine or Thompson because he’s young and looked like he was getting better with games. Ideally we want a similar type of player to NZonzi. I still think 4231 is the way forward with Powell being in the middle of the 3.
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Post by silverdollar on Jan 9, 2021 21:15:37 GMT
He's crap but people will excuse him for recently being injured so if thats the case why is he being put straight back into the side if he's not ready? Reminds me of my youth when some of my friends wanted to settle for a Lada or Skoda rather than pursuing a Bentley. Some of them could tell the difference. Allen is and remains one of the best players in the Championship!
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Post by jarhead on Jan 9, 2021 21:21:09 GMT
Tbh he’s still pretty shit with the ball in finding a team mate and the stupid fouls he gives away when no need to for an experienced player is laughable and Also thinking he can pass with his left foot now is quite pathetic when he can’t pass with his ‘so called’ good right foot.
Nothing really changed with Joe. That’s worrying.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Jan 9, 2021 21:24:34 GMT
Dropping cousins has been the problem Dropping Cousins is harsh. He was in the form of his life, screening the defence. I do feel more gaps have appeared without his selflessness in defence.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 9, 2021 23:06:08 GMT
I think Allen would make Cousins job much harder, he's been playing well before he was bizarly dropped but he'd have zero help if Allen was playing along side him constately out of position letting the oppo glide past him, when at our best with Whelan and N'Zonzi the latter still helped out. I don't think Thompson is any different than he was when we first signed him, he offers nothing bar a decenct cross from set plays now and then and Clucas showed today he can do that. It’s a tricky one. We need a CM to complement Cousins who’s a good all rounder that can move the ball forwards quickly. The shape today was all wrong as they were all too similar. Not sure what the answer is but for me I’d probably go with Allen because when fit he has the best engine or Thompson because he’s young and looked like he was getting better with games. Ideally we want a similar type of player to NZonzi. I still think 4231 is the way forward with Powell being in the middle of the 3. At least we can agree on Powell, he's our star man as it stands. I've been trying to see what others do with Thompson but I just can't, he has a very good dead ball delivery (more last season than this) but he can't seem to use that in open play and as for driving forward I don't think he has it in him I just think he's a boring safeish pair of hands, you know he won't do anything with it but he'll always go for the easy ball and try his best to do nothing overly risky that could lose the ball. I think Mikel could be the all rounder but with his age we can't rely on him, I'd have him as first choice next to Cousins give him a little less to do covering the defence and see what happens we've pretty much tried everything else and so far nothing looks great. But all this is a little pointless anyway, I don't think MON wants any of the midfield driving forward (bar Powell if we count him as a mid) I think he wants them to sit and keep it safe -which I'm putting Clucas's poor form down too- until he takes the handbreak off and set them up to have a chance at taking a game by the scruff of the neck not a lot is going to change, I'm not accepting the lack of forwards as the reason either, even his 4-2-3-1 is defencive.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 9, 2021 23:07:14 GMT
He's crap but people will excuse him for recently being injured so if thats the case why is he being put straight back into the side if he's not ready? Reminds me of my youth when some of my friends wanted to settle for a Lada or Skoda rather than pursuing a Bentley. Some of them could tell the difference. Allen is and remains one of the best players in the Championship! will be easy to get rid of then. What does he offer? Good finisher, dead ball delivery, nope thats Clucas. Best passer nope, Mikel when on song is the best we have along with Powell for range. Okay okay he's great at staying in shape sitting and winning the ball getting it to those that can create, nope thats Cousins belive it or not. I've got it he can create chances, nahh doesn't do that either. He can aimlessly run around though. I'm not trying to be a dick but the way it is I'd have Thompson in over him as at least you'll know he won't leave gaps all over the place. As I've said before like him or not he needs to go we can't afford him.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 9, 2021 23:54:16 GMT
Losing Campbell is the difference. Fletcher will be in and out now for the rest of the season so it's imperative we get someone in who can score. That's the issue. We will still create chances and have them gifted to us but with Vokes and Brown leading the line it'll be a long old slog.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2021 0:12:59 GMT
He's crap but people will excuse him for recently being injured so if thats the case why is he being put straight back into the side if he's not ready? Reminds me of my youth when some of my friends wanted to settle for a Lada or Skoda rather than pursuing a Bentley. Some of them could tell the difference. Allen is and remains one of the best players in the Championship! People were saying the same for Butland and we replaced him 3 times over with better quality.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 10, 2021 0:21:25 GMT
He's crap but people will excuse him for recently being injured so if thats the case why is he being put straight back into the side if he's not ready? Reminds me of my youth when some of my friends wanted to settle for a Lada or Skoda rather than pursuing a Bentley. Some of them could tell the difference. Allen is and remains one of the best players in the Championship! I really cannot see how he improves our team or performances. We would be better off selling him, as far as I'm concerned but I will be surprised if any other clubs want him enough to pay for his services whilst he's being handsomely renumerated by SCFC.
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Post by TinkerT on Jan 10, 2021 7:15:38 GMT
And the fact his replacement Mikel has been pure dog shit. Still don't understand why we signed him, CM is our most stacked area and with the season clucas had last season it was a strange signing Use him right and I think he'd be fine but protecting the back three/four isn't his game, put him next to Cousins and his range of passing would improve us imo. We need midfielders who can score goals, mikel next to cousins is the most pulis like midfield we could ever put out. We can't even score goals as it is let alone with them two in midfield, jesus.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 22, 2021 22:56:38 GMT
He's certainly contributing massively to our promotion push.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:59:19 GMT
He was easily the best of the 3 tonight.
Our record with him in the team is absolutely terrible and there is no getting away from that fact.
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Post by jarhead on Jan 22, 2021 23:00:18 GMT
His So called use of the ball is atrocious.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 22, 2021 23:01:40 GMT
His So called use of the ball is atrocious. Made the goal didn't he? Certainly first half, it was the best we've looked in the ball and he was big part of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 23:04:56 GMT
If anyone thinks that Stoke are too good for Joe Allen is frankly insane
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 22, 2021 23:05:33 GMT
He was easily the best of the 3 tonight. Our record with him in the team is absolutely terrible and there is no getting away from that fact. He’s such a conundrum. If you watched him and him only, you’d probably think he had a good game most weeks, but our record when he plays is simply atrocious and that points to a problem overall. My personal opinion is that he’s an individual midfielder and not one that necessarily fits in any sort of midfield combination. He’s not selfish or arrogant or anything like that, he just does too much and gets stuck in the wrong areas. He’s also not good enough to build a team around. He’s not someone you can dislike, but he causes us more problems than he solves.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 22, 2021 23:05:57 GMT
He should have scored today and his pass for Fletcher to score was excellent.
He’s much better when he plays behind the striker, because he gets into scoring positions more often. That’s where he was at his best when Hughes first signed him. Anywhere else he’s lost and runs around like a headless chicken.
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Post by datguy on Jan 22, 2021 23:06:54 GMT
If anyone thinks that Stoke are too good for Joe Allen is frankly insane Can you honestly say we missed him when he was injured?
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 22, 2021 23:07:31 GMT
Since Joe's reintroduction to the team it reads something like: Won - 0 Drawn - 3 Lost - 3
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 22, 2021 23:09:27 GMT
Use him right and I think he'd be fine but protecting the back three/four isn't his game, put him next to Cousins and his range of passing would improve us imo. We need midfielders who can score goals, mikel next to cousins is the most pulis like midfield we could ever put out. We can't even score goals as it is let alone with them two in midfield, jesus. MON is from a similar mold as TP so its more realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 23:09:31 GMT
Since Joe's reintroduction to the team it reads something like: Won - 0 Drawn - 3 Lost - 3 Do you think that lies solely at the door of Joe Allen? And do you think Stoke are too good for Joe Allen? Honestly?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 22, 2021 23:09:34 GMT
I like Joe, he's a good player.
But have we ever had a decent run of results since he signed for us? genuine question.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 22, 2021 23:10:02 GMT
If anyone thinks that Stoke are too good for Joe Allen is frankly insane If you think we can afford his wages and or worth it then so are you.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jan 22, 2021 23:10:43 GMT
Our decline in performance is because Tyrese is out of the side. Allen isn’t my favourite player but there’s far bigger problems than him at the moment.
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Post by datguy on Jan 22, 2021 23:12:55 GMT
Surprised he hasn't come under more criticism for the chance he had from Powell's cutback.
He put it just about where the keeper would ask him to put it if he had the chance to.
Should have scored it imo.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 22, 2021 23:14:03 GMT
Our decline in performance is because Tyrese is out of the side. Allen isn’t my favourite player but there’s far bigger problems than him at the moment. Not a fan of Allen but the manager is the main fault at the minute
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Post by potterburt on Jan 22, 2021 23:14:13 GMT
I’m not much of a fan of Joe, apart from when he had other players that were making things tick he’s never done a huge amount for us and often he seems to be either scrabbling around in circles with the oppositions which leads to them breaking or trying some intricate link up play that not other player seems to be apart of, he’s often played in a deep DMish role but can’t cover or do the basic defensive duties.
That all said - today he actually seemed to slot in with a Stoke team for the first time in along while, albeit he didnt do a huge amount - but maybe there in lays why he seemed better?
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Jan 22, 2021 23:15:54 GMT
I think Allen would make Cousins job much harder, he's been playing well before he was bizarly dropped but he'd have zero help if Allen was playing along side him constately out of position letting the oppo glide past him, when at our best with Whelan and N'Zonzi the latter still helped out. I don't think Thompson is any different than he was when we first signed him, he offers nothing bar a decenct cross from set plays now and then and Clucas showed today he can do that. It’s a tricky one. We need a CM to complement Cousins who’s a good all rounder that can move the ball forwards quickly. The shape today was all wrong as they were all too similar. Not sure what the answer is but for me I’d probably go with Allen because when fit he has the best engine or Thompson because he’s young and looked like he was getting better with games. Ideally we want a similar type of player to NZonzi. I still think 4231 is the way forward with Powell being in the middle of the 3. This. And Allen would have to be on the right of the three, if included.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 23:15:59 GMT
If anyone thinks that Stoke are too good for Joe Allen is frankly insane If you think we can afford his wages and or worth it then so are you. It’s not my money and none of my business (another man’s salary). But he’s certainly good enough for Stoke City (and any other side in the division).
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