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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 5, 2021 12:00:18 GMT
Hark at the Villa purists. Yes at times we go long, diagonal to the left on the major of occasions, but we also play through the lines, especially when Fletcher is fit and firing. Why care what other fans think? Let's be honest, we're hardly a thrill to watch.
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Post by themistocles on Jan 5, 2021 12:01:42 GMT
Not arsed in the slightest about Davis
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 5, 2021 12:06:45 GMT
Anyone get the feeling we won't get any of our targets, then end up with a panic buy? Yep.
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Post by baystokie on Jan 5, 2021 13:00:24 GMT
Anyone get the feeling we won't get any of our targets, then end up with a panic buy? Yep. Why doesn't that response surprise me?
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 5, 2021 14:44:32 GMT
Why doesn't that response surprise me? Because that is what usually happens
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Post by Northy on Jan 5, 2021 15:06:33 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 5, 2021 15:52:30 GMT
You are only about 24 hours late with that news!
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 5, 2021 16:10:52 GMT
I am not sure Davis is the central striker we should be looking at. I would rather take a punt on a lower league striker who would keep maybe pick up for a decent price?. Davis goes and never scored many goals at any level?.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2021 8:43:07 GMT
For a third consecutive transfer window, a host of Championship clubs are eagerly awaiting updates from Aston Villa over the availability of striker Keinan Davis.
Preston North End are the long-term admirers of Davis but Stoke City have also joined the list of interested clubs which also includes Derby County, Huddersfield Town and Swansea City.
Until Wesley, Ross Barkley and Trezeguet return to full fitness from their injuries, Davis will continue to be used as an attacking option off the bench. This is why an early move away from Villa this month can be ruled out.
For now, Smith wants him on-board but Villa’s own dealings in this window could alter that stance
The club are assessing attacking options and may sign another forward, either on loan or permanently, if the right one becomes available. Should that happen, they will sanction a loan departure for Davis.
Davis will only find out his short-term future at the end of the month. An injury to Watkins, who has played every Premier League minute so far, or a setback for Wesley in his recovery, will mean he stays on board. Until then, his challenge is to stay fit and impress when given the opportunity.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 6, 2021 8:52:40 GMT
Either we wait and take our chance with other clubs should he become available at the end of the window, or move on.
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Post by jayscfc1863 on Jan 6, 2021 8:57:12 GMT
Either we wait and take our chance with other clubs should he become available at the end of the window, or move on. Move on for me, i'm absolutely not bothered if this one doesnt come to fruition. There are plenty of other people id rather go for personally! Even the likes of Sam Surrige (or put a cheeky bid in for josh king if FFP allows it!?)
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 6, 2021 11:27:34 GMT
Either we wait and take our chance with other clubs should he become available at the end of the window, or move on. Move on for me, i'm absolutely not bothered if this one doesnt come to fruition. There are plenty of other people id rather go for personally! Even the likes of Sam Surrige (or put a cheeky bid in for josh king if FFP allows it!?) Why would either of those come to stoke?
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Post by Ron on Jan 6, 2021 11:35:07 GMT
We desperately need proven players - as much as I’m sure this lad would be a better option than Vokes I’m sure there has to be a forward out there who HAS scored gold at a decent level. I’m all for young players but we have to start casting the net further rather than insisting on domestic/ Scottish market. Matondo is hardly exotic- he’s been in Germany 18 months and is a welsh international.
Not ever player from abroad is another Jesé!
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Jan 6, 2021 11:55:31 GMT
We desperately need proven players - as much as I’m sure this lad would be a better option than Vokes I’m sure there has to be a forward out there who HAS scored gold at a decent level. I’m all for young players but we have to start casting the net further rather than insisting on domestic/ Scottish market. Matondo is hardly exotic- he’s been in Germany 18 months and is a welsh international. Not ever player from abroad is another Jesé! Don't we need a work permit for anybody abroad now? Think it rules out anybody other than Premier League clubs buying established internationals from top 50 FIFA countries. Get used to domestic only transfers for the foreseeable.
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 6, 2021 12:04:56 GMT
We desperately need proven players - as much as I’m sure this lad would be a better option than Vokes I’m sure there has to be a forward out there who HAS scored gold at a decent level. I’m all for young players but we have to start casting the net further rather than insisting on domestic/ Scottish market. Matondo is hardly exotic- he’s been in Germany 18 months and is a welsh international. Not ever player from abroad is another Jesé! Proven players like Ince and Vokes?
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 6, 2021 12:05:41 GMT
Move on for me, i'm absolutely not bothered if this one doesnt come to fruition. There are plenty of other people id rather go for personally! Even the likes of Sam Surrige (or put a cheeky bid in for josh king if FFP allows it!?) Why would either of those come to stoke? For the temperate climate and the culture.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2021 12:09:50 GMT
We desperately need proven players - as much as I’m sure this lad would be a better option than Vokes I’m sure there has to be a forward out there who HAS scored gold at a decent level. I’m all for young players but we have to start casting the net further rather than insisting on domestic/ Scottish market. Matondo is hardly exotic- he’s been in Germany 18 months and is a welsh international. Not ever player from abroad is another Jesé! Proven players like Ince and Vokes? 😂😂 State of this reply. Every sort of transfer should be open to use. We can’t discard “proven players” because of Ince and Vokes. Just fucking stupid. Ideally I do think we need a proven goalscorer, even if it was at the level below. But with that comes challenges.
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 6, 2021 12:18:51 GMT
Proven players like Ince and Vokes? 😂😂 State of this reply. Every sort of transfer should be open to use. We can’t discard “proven players” because of Ince and Vokes. Just fucking stupid. Ideally I do think we need a proven goalscorer, even if it was at the level below. But with that comes challenges. There's a long and proud history of us buying proven players who are past it. Vokes and Ince are the tip of the iceberg. From the current team you can add Smith (ex-PL), Maclean (ex-PL) to the list. Looking back further the list is frightening. I'd prefer us to scout and pick up players with potential who at least have sell-on value or to promote from U23s. Ultimately it's a balance. We're forever looking at clubs who scout well and
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2021 12:23:42 GMT
😂😂 State of this reply. Every sort of transfer should be open to use. We can’t discard “proven players” because of Ince and Vokes. Just fucking stupid. Ideally I do think we need a proven goalscorer, even if it was at the level below. But with that comes challenges. There's a long and proud history of us buying proven players who are past it. Vokes and Ince are the tip of the iceberg. From the current team you can add Smith (ex-PL), Maclean (ex-PL) to the list. Looking back further the list is frightening. I'd prefer us to scout and pick up players with potential who at least have sell-on value or to promote from U23s. Ultimately it's a balance. We're forever looking at clubs who scout well and The best two signings from MoN have been a 30 odd year old striker and and a mid 20s generic left back. You need a mix. You need the players that suit what you want to do. We need goals, signing 2 players with 4 career league goals between them from 80 odd appearances wouldn’t seem to help that much. Both seem to have attributes we need though. The defence of Davis is getting people around him that will score so you bring Matondo in, who doesn’t seem to score. Now they could be great but it’s a gamble. I like the sound of Matondo but I think we’ll sign a striker who is more proven at scoring even if it’s at a youth level (where Davis’ record still isn’t great).
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Post by pushon on Jan 6, 2021 12:52:39 GMT
Ok, we're dealing with tittle-tattle, but I see no credence in support of these rumours. Quite a few posters seem to be accepting this as proven fact.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2021 12:58:25 GMT
Ok, we're dealing with tittle-tattle, but I see no credence in support of these rumours. Quite a few posters seem to be accepting this as proven fact. We’re going to be linked with every striker that might be available on loan whether we want them or not 😂
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Post by somersetpotter on Jan 6, 2021 14:08:23 GMT
There's a long and proud history of us buying proven players who are past it. Vokes and Ince are the tip of the iceberg. From the current team you can add Smith (ex-PL), Maclean (ex-PL) to the list. Looking back further the list is frightening. I'd prefer us to scout and pick up players with potential who at least have sell-on value or to promote from U23s. Ultimately it's a balance. We're forever looking at clubs who scout well and The best two signings from MoN have been a 30 odd year old striker and and a mid 20s generic left back. You need a mix. You need the players that suit what you want to do. We need goals, signing 2 players with 4 career league goals between them from 80 odd appearances wouldn’t seem to help that much. Both seem to have attributes we need though. The defence of Davis is getting people around him that will score so you bring Matondo in, who doesn’t seem to score. Now they could be great but it’s a gamble. I like the sound of Matondo but I think we’ll sign a striker who is more proven at scoring even if it’s at a youth level (where Davis’ record still isn’t great). MON wont be the one signing anyone it'll be a mix of the new head of recruitment we got from millwall and TS. MON will identify the positions he wants to fill and theyll have to go out and get it done for him. In my humble opinion i think Davis will be a great signing for us.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2021 14:12:34 GMT
The best two signings from MoN have been a 30 odd year old striker and and a mid 20s generic left back. You need a mix. You need the players that suit what you want to do. We need goals, signing 2 players with 4 career league goals between them from 80 odd appearances wouldn’t seem to help that much. Both seem to have attributes we need though. The defence of Davis is getting people around him that will score so you bring Matondo in, who doesn’t seem to score. Now they could be great but it’s a gamble. I like the sound of Matondo but I think we’ll sign a striker who is more proven at scoring even if it’s at a youth level (where Davis’ record still isn’t great). MON wont be the one signing anyone it'll be a mix of the new head of recruitment we got from millwall and TS. MON will identify the positions he wants to fill and theyll have to go out and get it done for him. In my humble opinion i think Davis will be a great signing for us. I think it’s a joint effort but you still need that balance. Davis seems like a poor mans Heskey to me. I never liked Heskey 😂
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 6, 2021 14:39:41 GMT
The best two signings from MoN have been a 30 odd year old striker and and a mid 20s generic left back. You need a mix. You need the players that suit what you want to do. We need goals, signing 2 players with 4 career league goals between them from 80 odd appearances wouldn’t seem to help that much. Both seem to have attributes we need though. The defence of Davis is getting people around him that will score so you bring Matondo in, who doesn’t seem to score. Now they could be great but it’s a gamble. I like the sound of Matondo but I think we’ll sign a striker who is more proven at scoring even if it’s at a youth level (where Davis’ record still isn’t great). MON wont be the one signing anyone it'll be a mix of the new head of recruitment we got from millwall and TS. MON will identify the positions he wants to fill and theyll have to go out and get it done for him. In my humble opinion i think Davis will be a great signing for us. MON will absolutely have some form of input into who we'll sign, be it power of veto or having specific targets of his own in addition to the recommendations from the scouting/recruitment team. I don't think TS himself identifies players does he?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 6, 2021 14:45:20 GMT
MON wont be the one signing anyone it'll be a mix of the new head of recruitment we got from millwall and TS. MON will identify the positions he wants to fill and theyll have to go out and get it done for him. In my humble opinion i think Davis will be a great signing for us. I think it’s a joint effort but you still need that balance. Davis seems like a poor mans Heskey to me. I never liked Heskey 😂 You can put the rubber stamp on that opinion when he takes over at Vale Park!
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Post by lordb on Jan 6, 2021 14:47:54 GMT
MON wont be the one signing anyone it'll be a mix of the new head of recruitment we got from millwall and TS. MON will identify the positions he wants to fill and theyll have to go out and get it done for him. In my humble opinion i think Davis will be a great signing for us. MON will absolutely have some form of input into who we'll sign, be it power of veto or having specific targets of his own in addition to the recommendations from the scouting/recruitment team. I don't think TS himself identifies players does he? TS has no input on who to sign although he will give his opinion , i.e. he will say no we shoudlnt sign someone e.g. he said no to Arnoutivic but was overuled he just fucks up (not always...) the transfer & contract negotiations
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Post by Ron on Jan 6, 2021 15:01:04 GMT
We desperately need proven players - as much as I’m sure this lad would be a better option than Vokes I’m sure there has to be a forward out there who HAS scored gold at a decent level. I’m all for young players but we have to start casting the net further rather than insisting on domestic/ Scottish market. Matondo is hardly exotic- he’s been in Germany 18 months and is a welsh international. Not ever player from abroad is another Jesé! Proven players like Ince and Vokes? mot all transfers work out do they. If we’re serious about playoffs and promotion (which the club should be given our position) they should be looking at experience as well as youth. Not every proven player is a vokes or an Ince.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jan 6, 2021 16:10:55 GMT
Honestly think MON will go for an experienced striker who is battle hardened and used to being up against 2 physical centre backs. There is a massive difference from u23 to championship football. even now MON prefers tyrese to play slightly wide away from the opposition centre backs with usually a more hardened centre forward playing central.
Remember tyrese playing in the prem against morgan of Leicester who made him look like a little boy lost.
Some league experience needed is my choice for a central striker not a player from somebody elses u23 squad.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 6, 2021 16:45:35 GMT
If and it's a big if, we sign the lad from Schalke and Alfie Doughty, I would prefer we try and sign a more established central striker. I know Glenn Murray has been mentioned, someone of that ilk on a short term basis?. Can't think of any similar that might be available 😲.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 7, 2021 21:52:19 GMT
not a good time to bring in a player from Villa!
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