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Post by Pugsley on Dec 28, 2020 20:22:59 GMT
You can see a Stoke fan special brewing here can't you. Verlinden stood out in the miserly 10 minutes he got at QPR but unless he instantly tears it up when he does get his chance he'll get slated, despite the mediocrity that has gone before. Trenches have been dug True but you can't have it both ways. Apparently he's the next Messi when out of the side.
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Post by medwaypotter on Dec 28, 2020 20:32:52 GMT
Harsh on Thompson but agree re ambition but with what we've had available it's impressive that we've hung in there. Hopefully with a few back we can do just that and maybe add one or two in January. Were only 4 points I think off second and with the injuries a great effort. No doubt some will go on and on about Verlinden as usual but until he earns a place and proves himself like Campbell did is all guess work based on nothing Is it, we've lost Campbell (a huge loss) and a midfielder capbable of doing more than just keeping shape, I don't think that should have made us even more defencive than we already were. In that time we've also seen Cousins step up and make one of the midfield positions his own effectively gaining a player having been written off already. I think with a few more chances taken by the manager we'd have more points than we do now. "I think with a few more chances taken by the manager we'd have more points than we do now." Or we might have a few less it all went tits up being adventurous.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 20:39:34 GMT
Is it, we've lost Campbell (a huge loss) and a midfielder capbable of doing more than just keeping shape, I don't think that should have made us even more defencive than we already were. In that time we've also seen Cousins step up and make one of the midfield positions his own effectively gaining a player having been written off already. I think with a few more chances taken by the manager we'd have more points than we do now. "I think with a few more chances taken by the manager we'd have more points than we do now." Or we might have a few less it all went tits up being adventurous. The players who don't play are often the answer to not winning games with so many with no justification. We've heard it all before with players who moved on and achieved nothing. As someone already said some call out for a player because he simply hasn't played and believe all the hype they themselves created in their own heads.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 28, 2020 20:47:44 GMT
It certainly speaks volumes but I guess me and you will have different views about what's being said! Don't know what would you say? Oneill has shown to be a very clever man and if he genuinely thinks that Verlinden will help him get results, he would play him. There's got to be some flaw in there somewhere. He probably reads too much into all the smoke being blown up his arse by our vocal minority online.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 28, 2020 20:48:17 GMT
Is it, we've lost Campbell (a huge loss) and a midfielder capbable of doing more than just keeping shape, I don't think that should have made us even more defencive than we already were. In that time we've also seen Cousins step up and make one of the midfield positions his own effectively gaining a player having been written off already. I think with a few more chances taken by the manager we'd have more points than we do now. "I think with a few more chances taken by the manager we'd have more points than we do now." Or we might have a few less it all went tits up being adventurous. Win win for them though.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 28, 2020 20:54:12 GMT
You can see a Stoke fan special brewing here can't you. Verlinden stood out in the miserly 10 minutes he got at QPR but unless he instantly tears it up when he does get his chance he'll get slated, despite the mediocrity that has gone before. Trenches have been dug True but you can't have it both ways. Apparently he's the next Messi when out of the side. He showed more in 10 minutes at Loftus Road than we'd shown in the previous 80. He was causing Preston all sorts just before he got injured last season. He was class by all accounts in the U23 game before Christmas. I'm sure that he'll deliver if given a fair chance but it sounds from a few that he won't be given the obligatory time most players get after an injury of that nature. Its all very perplexing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 20:59:15 GMT
I love O'Neill, and if it came down to him or Verlinden having to leave I'd keep MON every single day.
With that said, why the fuck isn't he getting a look in yet? Not like the bloke is against playing youngsters. I've never had the impression he is unprofessional like Edwards either so I really can't explain it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 21:45:03 GMT
I love O'Neill, and if it came down to him or Verlinden having to leave I'd keep MON every single day. With that said, why the fuck isn't he getting a look in yet? Not like the bloke is against playing youngsters. I've never had the impression he is unprofessional like Edwards either so I really can't explain it. No brainier. A manager who has taken us from bottom v a player who is totally unproven at this level. If Verlinden leaves in Jan would have no probs if MON thinks he's not good enough. You'd think we were leaving out some game changing superstar the way some drone on which he has done nothing to suggest he's anything of the sort. MON worked with Campbell and got him up to speed when at times he didn't look the part and has worked hard on his game.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 28, 2020 21:54:02 GMT
True but you can't have it both ways. Apparently he's the next Messi when out of the side. He showed more in 10 minutes at Loftus Road than we'd shown in the previous 80. He was causing Preston all sorts just before he got injured last season. He was class by all accounts in the U23 game before Christmas. I'm sure that he'll deliver if given a fair chance but it sounds from a few that he won't be given the obligatory time most players get after an injury of that nature. Its all very perplexing. So just ignore my comment. Too close to the truth? I'm sure bayern has some of the deplongoy banners he could edit?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 28, 2020 22:38:56 GMT
He showed more in 10 minutes at Loftus Road than we'd shown in the previous 80. He was causing Preston all sorts just before he got injured last season. He was class by all accounts in the U23 game before Christmas. I'm sure that he'll deliver if given a fair chance but it sounds from a few that he won't be given the obligatory time most players get after an injury of that nature. Its all very perplexing. So just ignore my comment. Too close to the truth? I'm sure bayern has some of the deplongoy banners he could edit? Sorry?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 23:07:13 GMT
I love O'Neill, and if it came down to him or Verlinden having to leave I'd keep MON every single day. With that said, why the fuck isn't he getting a look in yet? Not like the bloke is against playing youngsters. I've never had the impression he is unprofessional like Edwards either so I really can't explain it. No brainier. A manager who has taken us from bottom v a player who is totally unproven at this level. If Verlinden leaves in Jan would have no probs if MON thinks he's not good enough. You'd think we were leaving out some game changing superstar the way some drone on which he has done nothing to suggest he's anything of the sort. MON worked with Campbell and got him up to speed when at times he didn't look the part and has worked hard on his game. MON knows Verlinden is more than good enough. He's seen it for himself in training. Problem is Verlinden doesn't always turn it on in training according to MON. Like most managers, MON has a strict set of rules that players have to abide by. If they do, such as Tymon, Thompson et al, MON will support them every step of the way. If they don't they will suffer the consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 23:36:28 GMT
No brainier. A manager who has taken us from bottom v a player who is totally unproven at this level. If Verlinden leaves in Jan would have no probs if MON thinks he's not good enough. You'd think we were leaving out some game changing superstar the way some drone on which he has done nothing to suggest he's anything of the sort. MON worked with Campbell and got him up to speed when at times he didn't look the part and has worked hard on his game. MON knows Verlinden is more than good enough. He's seen it for himself in training. Problem is Verlinden doesn't always turn it on in training according to MON. Like most managers, MON has a strict set of rules that players have to abide by. If they do, such as Tymon, Thompson et al, MON will support them every step of the way. If they don't they will suffer the consequences. As we saw with NI and he's often said if you don't put in the effort you don't play and up to the player to earn a place. If he can't do it with so many I juries you have to wonder. He made an example of Edwards it seems and rather than point the finger at MON maybe they should open their eyes perhaps because if ever was a time to make a mark
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 29, 2020 0:28:09 GMT
No brainier. A manager who has taken us from bottom v a player who is totally unproven at this level. If Verlinden leaves in Jan would have no probs if MON thinks he's not good enough. You'd think we were leaving out some game changing superstar the way some drone on which he has done nothing to suggest he's anything of the sort. MON worked with Campbell and got him up to speed when at times he didn't look the part and has worked hard on his game. MON knows Verlinden is more than good enough. He's seen it for himself in training. Problem is Verlinden doesn't always turn it on in training according to MON. Like most managers, MON has a strict set of rules that players have to abide by. If they do, such as Tymon, Thompson et al, MON will support them every step of the way. If they don't they will suffer the consequences. So you can turn it on in training but not during the match and MON will pick you. I doubt that's the way he operates.
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Post by somersetstokie on Dec 29, 2020 0:59:16 GMT
MON knows Verlinden is more than good enough. He's seen it for himself in training. Problem is Verlinden doesn't always turn it on in training according to MON. Like most managers, MON has a strict set of rules that players have to abide by. If they do, such as Tymon, Thompson et al, MON will support them every step of the way. If they don't they will suffer the consequences. So you can turn it on in training but not during the match and MON will pick you. I doubt that's the way he operates.[/b] I hear from Moritz Bauer that he has been training really hard and believes that he is very close to being named 4th choice right sided full back.
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 29, 2020 1:06:43 GMT
True but you can't have it both ways. Apparently he's the next Messi when out of the side. He showed more in 10 minutes at Loftus Road than we'd shown in the previous 80. He was causing Preston all sorts just before he got injured last season. He was class by all accounts in the U23 game before Christmas. I'm sure that he'll deliver if given a fair chance but it sounds from a few that he won't be given the obligatory time most players get after an injury of that nature. Its all very perplexing. There's been mither between Verlinden and Mick
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Post by hotpot on Dec 29, 2020 5:58:01 GMT
We need a good win. Play 1-4-2-3-1 - Bursik; Smith, Souttar, Collins, Tymon; Thompson, Cousins; Brown, Allen, Verlinden; Fletcher. Subs: Mikel, ShawX, OKB, McClean, Powell, Baath, Clucas, Lonergan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 8:45:04 GMT
MON knows Verlinden is more than good enough. He's seen it for himself in training. Problem is Verlinden doesn't always turn it on in training according to MON. Like most managers, MON has a strict set of rules that players have to abide by. If they do, such as Tymon, Thompson et al, MON will support them every step of the way. If they don't they will suffer the consequences. So you can turn it on in training but not during the match and MON will pick you. I doubt that's the way he operates. Then how does he "operate"?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 8:47:31 GMT
We need a good win. Play 1-4-2-3-1 - Bursik; Smith, Souttar, Collins, Tymon; Thompson, Cousins; Brown, Allen, Verlinden; Fletcher. Subs: Mikel, ShawX, OKB, McClean, Powell, Baath, Clucas, Lonergan. One sub too little - not that it matters, as he seemingly refuses to use his contingency of five.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 29, 2020 9:55:44 GMT
Ameobi and grabban should cause us some problems.
Keep them quiet and an easy victory hopefully.
Although when do we do things easily!
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Post by Gods on Dec 29, 2020 10:09:20 GMT
Forest have steadied the ship, 3 unbeaten and no injuries or suspensions.
This has 1-1 written all over it!
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 29, 2020 10:10:17 GMT
I’m prepared for another bore fest. First goal wins (if there is one)
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 29, 2020 10:33:39 GMT
Is it, we've lost Campbell (a huge loss) and a midfielder capbable of doing more than just keeping shape, I don't think that should have made us even more defencive than we already were. In that time we've also seen Cousins step up and make one of the midfield positions his own effectively gaining a player having been written off already. I think with a few more chances taken by the manager we'd have more points than we do now. Was Cousins written off? Easy to say but we could have easily lost points. I think he did the right thing at Coventry and we were hanging on v Blackburn. No one could foresee the injuries and with no window open yet we perhaps don't have certain players. Clucas and Allen will add a great deal up and all over the pitch for sure but we need a new face but we've become a solid side after years of being soft centered and a push over. I'd say so yes, he's got in because of injuries and no other reason even though it was pretty clear we needed his type in the midle all season. We have become solid there's no arguing that but at what cost, I don't think we need to be as defencive as we are. Before the last game we could hardly manage a shot on target and created very little I'm not accepting that was all down to Campbell being out.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 29, 2020 10:35:09 GMT
Is it, we've lost Campbell (a huge loss) and a midfielder capbable of doing more than just keeping shape, I don't think that should have made us even more defencive than we already were. In that time we've also seen Cousins step up and make one of the midfield positions his own effectively gaining a player having been written off already. I think with a few more chances taken by the manager we'd have more points than we do now. "I think with a few more chances taken by the manager we'd have more points than we do now." Or we might have a few less it all went tits up being adventurous. Nah, I have faith in Collins, Souttour and after recent performances Chester, add an impressive Cousins infront of them and there's no need to be playing as defencive as we are.
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Post by hardcastle on Dec 29, 2020 10:53:11 GMT
I love O'Neill, and if it came down to him or Verlinden having to leave I'd keep MON every single day. With that said, why the fuck isn't he getting a look in yet? Not like the bloke is against playing youngsters. I've never had the impression he is unprofessional like Edwards either so I really can't explain it. No brainier. A manager who has taken us from bottom v a player who is totally unproven at this level. If Verlinden leaves in Jan would have no probs if MON thinks he's not good enough. You'd think we were leaving out some game changing superstar the way some drone on which he has done nothing to suggest he's anything of the sort. MON worked with Campbell and got him up to speed when at times he didn't look the part and has worked hard on his game. Managers have to make decisions based on imperfect knowledge. How sure were we about Campbell this time last year? If playing Verlinden on the left is seen as too big a risk (due to our lack of a proper LB), then play him on the right in front of Collins. (Easy this armchair management isn't it !)
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 29, 2020 10:54:20 GMT
Verlinden deserves a go just in case it might work. We are creating nothing from out wide
Ince is still wank Brown works hard McLean is seriously not threatening at the moment
Doesn't Verlinden get in just because the other options aren't working
MON needs to play 4 at the back at home
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 29, 2020 10:56:02 GMT
He showed more in 10 minutes at Loftus Road than we'd shown in the previous 80. He was causing Preston all sorts just before he got injured last season. He was class by all accounts in the U23 game before Christmas. I'm sure that he'll deliver if given a fair chance but it sounds from a few that he won't be given the obligatory time most players get after an injury of that nature. Its all very perplexing. There's been mither between Verlinden and Mick Go on.
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Post by lordb on Dec 29, 2020 10:57:10 GMT
Verlinden deserves a go just in case it might work. We are creating nothing from out wide Ince is still wank Brown works hard McLean is seriously not threatening at the moment Doesn't Verlinden get in just because the other options aren't working MON needs to play 4 at the back at home Which we can only do if Fox is fit
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 29, 2020 11:09:17 GMT
We create nothing from out wide...what was the Brown cross for Thompson's goal against Spurs and his miss against Coventry, in fact 2 misses?. McClean's right footed cross headed over by Powell against Coventry also...to say we create nothing from out wide, simply is not true..
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 29, 2020 11:11:05 GMT
True but you can't have it both ways. Apparently he's the next Messi when out of the side. He showed more in 10 minutes at Loftus Road than we'd shown in the previous 80. He was causing Preston all sorts just before he got injured last season. He was class by all accounts in the U23 game before Christmas. I'm sure that he'll deliver if given a fair chance but it sounds from a few that he won't be given the obligatory time most players get after an injury of that nature. Its all very perplexing. You’d assume something isn’t right. MON was very patient with Tyrese and eased him in. Even when he wasn’t on his game he kept persisting and seemed to know how to get the best out of him. It’s very confusing because Verlinden seems ideal for what we desperately need. There has to be something behind the scenes.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 29, 2020 11:14:34 GMT
Forest have steadied the ship, 3 unbeaten and no injuries or suspensions. This has 1-1 written all over it! Or 0-0😩😩 What really galls me about the 0-0s is they’re usually around 7-1 with the bookies. And guess how many times I backed it? Yep. Nil.
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