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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 13:15:57 GMT
How ironic “ morons like you”🙄Pot and kettle come to mind I find this “Bayern takes a lot of stick but never dishes it out” rhetoric fairly laughable, stick around for long enough and he drops his guard..... Calling someone a moron is barely stick. And calling someone a moron who makes sly digs hinting at some abhorrent accusations is far less. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 13:17:32 GMT
No they don’t. This last 12 months has pretty much justified most of what I’ve been slated for. And yet you still go on. We’re building a side around the young players and it’s magic. The scorn re Verlinden from people like you is the same as it was 12 months ago re Collins, Souttar and Campbell. It makes my heart warm. Who’s building the side around the young players🤔Would it be that negative tool you continually slate by any chance? No it’s the good manager but overly negative in the last 3 months. You paint it as being so black and white. It isn’t. We know MON is better than what he’s showing at the minute. That’s the frustrating thing. |
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Post by walton corner on Dec 27, 2020 14:35:20 GMT
Forest 5th from bottom but have a better strike force than we do ...Lewis grabban is the sort of player we need in the championship..2 negative managers can’t see many goals in it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 15:19:43 GMT
Why do people continue to put Verlinden in their teams. He clearly won't figure in the match day squad when all return from injury. I would expect when all are fit, Mikel, Clucas and Allen will be the midfield 3, not saying I agree with that, but I think it would be MON's preferred midfield. With MON preferring tired old sticks to Thibo's fresh fit and firy pins, AND with the Belgian intimating his desire to go to a Belgian club, I think it's just a matter of days before the transfer window opens and he's on his way, on loan or for good. MON does not seem to want any part of him any more than he wanted Edwards in the summer. The only reason he's been on the bench sometimes such as yesterday is to make up numbers. The 10 mins he had the other day (where he seemingly did well enough) made no difference. Such a great, great shame. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 15:50:07 GMT
Bursik
Collins, Shawcross, Souttar, Fox
Cousins, Mikel
Brown, Powell, Verlinden
Fletcher
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Post by cerebralstokie on Dec 27, 2020 16:33:32 GMT
What I would like to know is why do clubs change their manager about 3 weeks before they are due to play us?!! (Wednesday, Derby, Middlesbrough, Forest)
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 27, 2020 16:34:57 GMT
Didn't Forest change theirs quite a while ago?.
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Post by brizzlestokie on Dec 27, 2020 16:43:49 GMT
Hughton was appointed at the start of October, and so far doesn't seem to have been able to transform their fortunes. Certainly well out of the 'new manager bounce' zone anyway.
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 27, 2020 16:46:59 GMT
Matter of time I think before Hughton really gets things clicking for them. All they need is to play a team that only turn up for half a game and are struggling to score. What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by brizzlestokie on Dec 27, 2020 16:50:15 GMT
In terms of Verlinden, he's certainly a talent and I don't think it would be a huge shock to anyone if we were to see him perform well if and when he's given a chance, but O'Neill has a good record so far of giving youngsters a chance so I trust he has good reason to not be playing Verlinden atm. And as for the notion that he should be one of the first names on the team sheet, I think that's a pretty big stretch to be saying about a player that as of yet is totally unproven and has McClean, Powell, possibly even Tymon for competition and doesn't seem to be an option for the wing back position.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 16:50:20 GMT
I don't get the anti Thompson brigade, he has potential I think to develop into a very tidy player. I like the recent addition to his game, with late runs into the box. Yes he should have scored yesterday, but is increasingly starting to make those forward runs now..very useful player.. Come on they have to have someone to target. He's done pretty well of late you're right |
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Post by brizzlestokie on Dec 27, 2020 17:01:13 GMT
I don't get the anti Thompson brigade, he has potential I think to develop into a very tidy player. I like the recent addition to his game, with late runs into the box. Yes he should have scored yesterday, but is increasingly starting to make those forward runs now..very useful player.. Come on they have to have someone to target. He's done pretty well of late you're right He's definitely improved. Still wouldn't be one of my first choices in a midfield two or even three with everyone fit, and would like to see more a goal threat from a midfielder playing alongside Cousins, but he's shown more of that in the past two games for sure. Arguably the best set piece taker at the club as well. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 17:04:32 GMT
Tymon is streets ahead of Thompson.
It’s harsh but against Spurs he was the worst player along with Souttar and needed subbing despite the goal.
Yesterday he missed a sitter but you can’t moan when substandard miss chances. He shouldn’t have been on the pitch.
The set piece myth as well. He hasn’t taken a good one this season. Clucas’ on the other hand have been tremendous.
The worst player in the squad by a distance.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 27, 2020 17:09:45 GMT
Whether Verlinden should start or not is a matter of opinion, the fact he's been given just 8 minutes amidst the worst injury crisis in a generation in a team that can't score goals is really difficult to understand.
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Post by brizzlestokie on Dec 27, 2020 17:14:02 GMT
Tymon is streets ahead of Thompson. It’s harsh but against Spurs he was the worst player along with Souttar and needed subbing despite the goal. Yesterday he missed a sitter but you can’t moan when substandard miss chances. He shouldn’t have been on the pitch. The set piece myth as well. He hasn’t taken a good one this season. Clucas’ on the other hand have been tremendous. The worst player in the squad by a distance. Not sure exactly what Tymon has done to make you say he's "streets ahead" of Thompson? Tymon has been very much okay in my opinion when he's played, but often anonymous, doesn't create, doesn't look like scoring, so can't really see how he can be streets ahead of anyone even if you do think he has more potential. And worst player in the squad by a distance seems equally harsh. Personally think he's offered more than TOB so far this season, and I certainly don't get the same sinking feeling when I see his name on the team sheet than I do when I see Vokes' name. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 17:16:58 GMT
Now don’t shout at me but could we play a back four of Smith, Collins, Souttar and Chester? Chester has played there before but don’t know if it’s been with any success😀 Chester left back?? Come on eh |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 17:18:10 GMT
Tymon is streets ahead of Thompson. It’s harsh but against Spurs he was the worst player along with Souttar and needed subbing despite the goal. Yesterday he missed a sitter but you can’t moan when substandard miss chances. He shouldn’t have been on the pitch. The set piece myth as well. He hasn’t taken a good one this season. Clucas’ on the other hand have been tremendous. The worst player in the squad by a distance. Not sure exactly what Tymon has done to make you say he's "streets ahead" of Thompson? Tymon has been very much okay in my opinion when he's played, but often anonymous, doesn't create, doesn't look like scoring, so can't really see how he can be streets ahead of anyone even if you do think he has more potential. And worst player in the squad by a distance seems equally harsh. Personally think he's offered more than TOB so far this season, and I certainly don't get the same sinking feeling when I see his name on the team sheet than I do when I see Vokes' name. TOB has barely been given a chance in comparison. Tymon just offers more solidity for me. Thompson’s passing and set piece ability is a total myth. Vokes is second for sure. |
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Post by brizzlestokie on Dec 27, 2020 17:26:16 GMT
Not sure exactly what Tymon has done to make you say he's "streets ahead" of Thompson? Tymon has been very much okay in my opinion when he's played, but often anonymous, doesn't create, doesn't look like scoring, so can't really see how he can be streets ahead of anyone even if you do think he has more potential. And worst player in the squad by a distance seems equally harsh. Personally think he's offered more than TOB so far this season, and I certainly don't get the same sinking feeling when I see his name on the team sheet than I do when I see Vokes' name. TOB has barely been given a chance in comparison. Tymon just offers more solidity for me. Thompson’s passing and set piece ability is a total myth. Vokes is second for sure. If that's a preference then fair enough, but not sure it's enough to be considered streets ahead. In any case,Thompson has at least looked like more of a goal threat in the last two games which I personally think is more important trait when playing alongside Cousins. Tymon possibly a better option than Thompson if playing alongside the like's of Allen or Mikel. TOB hasn't been given much of a chance, but in all honesty as much as I hope for him to come good, his cameos have been poor so far. Don't agree that Thompson's set pieces are a myth. Have seen a few surprisingly poor deliveries lately, but also seen plenty of beauties and I don't think anyone can get quite the same Beckham-esque whip on a ball that Thompson can. To be balanced, Tymon has also shown he can put in a good delivery when out wide, as has Fox. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 17:57:20 GMT
Tymon is streets ahead of Thompson. It’s harsh but against Spurs he was the worst player along with Souttar and needed subbing despite the goal. Yesterday he missed a sitter but you can’t moan when substandard miss chances. He shouldn’t have been on the pitch. The set piece myth as well. He hasn’t taken a good one this season. Clucas’ on the other hand have been tremendous. The worst player in the squad by a distance. Not sure exactly what Tymon has done to make you say he's "streets ahead" of Thompson? Tymon has been very much okay in my opinion when he's played, but often anonymous, doesn't create, doesn't look like scoring, so can't really see how he can be streets ahead of anyone even if you do think he has more potential. And worst player in the squad by a distance seems equally harsh. Personally think he's offered more than TOB so far this season, and I certainly don't get the same sinking feeling when I see his name on the team sheet than I do when I see Vokes' name. Worst player in the squad, I think a few have escaped this weekend or on sympathetic weekend release. Some fool claiming he could beat a player up now this. You should get together and form a quiz team ...Eggheads you're not. You might get the pencil stuck up your noses though |
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Post by somersetstokie on Dec 27, 2020 18:02:53 GMT
Now don’t shout at me but could we play a back four of Smith, Collins, Souttar and Chester? Chester has played there before but don’t know if it’s been with any success😀 Chester left back?? Come on eh Do you write jokes for Christmas Crackers in your spare time?  |
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Post by brizzlestokie on Dec 27, 2020 18:05:43 GMT
Not sure exactly what Tymon has done to make you say he's "streets ahead" of Thompson? Tymon has been very much okay in my opinion when he's played, but often anonymous, doesn't create, doesn't look like scoring, so can't really see how he can be streets ahead of anyone even if you do think he has more potential. And worst player in the squad by a distance seems equally harsh. Personally think he's offered more than TOB so far this season, and I certainly don't get the same sinking feeling when I see his name on the team sheet than I do when I see Vokes' name. Worst player in the squad, I think a few have escaped this weekend or on sympathetic weekend release. Some fool claiming he could beat a player up now this. You should get together and form a quiz team ...Eggheads you're not. You might get the pencil stuck up your noses though Not sure that's a particularly helpful response tbh. Happy to have civil disagreements with people on what is a message board to discuss Stoke City, but when we descend into insults the conversation gets nowhere. |
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Dec 27, 2020 18:06:56 GMT
In terms of Verlinden, he's certainly a talent and I don't think it would be a huge shock to anyone if we were to see him perform well if and when he's given a chance, but O'Neill has a good record so far of giving youngsters a chance so I trust he has good reason to not be playing Verlinden atm. And as for the notion that he should be one of the first names on the team sheet, I think that's a pretty big stretch to be saying about a player that as of yet is totally unproven and has McClean, Powell, possibly even Tymon for competition and doesn't seem to be an option for the wing back position. This all seems logical enough until 'McLean for competition' if we had a good group of wingers who were already performing then fair enough. We don't, especially without Campbell. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 18:08:53 GMT
Worst player in the squad, I think a few have escaped this weekend or on sympathetic weekend release. Some fool claiming he could beat a player up now this. You should get together and form a quiz team ...Eggheads you're not. You might get the pencil stuck up your noses though Not sure that's a particularly helpful response tbh. Happy to have civil disagreements with people on what is a message board to discuss Stoke City, but when we descend into insults the conversation gets nowhere. Fair point ...Eggheads are clued up |
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Post by brizzlestokie on Dec 27, 2020 18:12:32 GMT
In terms of Verlinden, he's certainly a talent and I don't think it would be a huge shock to anyone if we were to see him perform well if and when he's given a chance, but O'Neill has a good record so far of giving youngsters a chance so I trust he has good reason to not be playing Verlinden atm. And as for the notion that he should be one of the first names on the team sheet, I think that's a pretty big stretch to be saying about a player that as of yet is totally unproven and has McClean, Powell, possibly even Tymon for competition and doesn't seem to be an option for the wing back position. This all seems logical enough until 'McLean for competition' if we had a good group of wingers who were already performing then fair enough. We don't, especially without Campbell. Yeah it's certainly an area we're not looking brilliant in at the moment and McClean has without doubt been less effective this season than last. Wouldn't argue with people who say they'd like to see Verlinden start, I'd be quite interested to see he'd do myself, I'm just saying that to be considered someone who should be one of the first names on the team sheet surely a player has to be consistently influential in the first team? I realise he has to be given a chance to do that, but until he does we simply don't know whether he should be or not. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 27, 2020 18:14:13 GMT
It’s not drivel is it. As ever you’ll be agreeing 6 months down the line. We are playing so within ourselves it hurts and it’s solely down to the negativity of the manager. He is but it’s like a choice between cholera and typhoid isn’t it, cholera at the minute has the shirt, if it was typhoid I would have said him. Clueless? It’s fluid ffs, morons like you have a go for being so entrenched into a view and then when something different happens you get all moronic and say it’s being clueless 😂Collins has shown he’s the best man for the right back slot for now. Ideally him and Souttar are the CBs but until we find one then it’s the Hobson’s choice for CB. How ironic “ morons like you”🙄Pot and kettle come to mind That makes me a moron then he was garbage before he had his stint on the bench and I’d have had him no where near the team. Now he’s playing like a man possessed so he has to be in the team but surely doesn’t make someone clueless to have a change of mind now the player has got his finger out |
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 27, 2020 18:17:49 GMT
Tymon is streets ahead of Thompson. It’s harsh but against Spurs he was the worst player along with Souttar and needed subbing despite the goal. Yesterday he missed a sitter but you can’t moan when substandard miss chances. He shouldn’t have been on the pitch. The set piece myth as well. He hasn’t taken a good one this season. Clucas’ on the other hand have been tremendous. The worst player in the squad by a distance. Got to disagree Bayern. Vokes is worst player in squad by 2 country miles 😃 |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 27, 2020 18:24:49 GMT
How ironic “ morons like you”🙄Pot and kettle come to mind That makes me a moron then he was garbage before he had his stint on the bench and I’d have had him no where near the team. Now he’s playing like a man possessed so he has to be in the team but surely doesn’t make someone clueless to have a change of mind now the player has got his finger out If the cap fits |
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 27, 2020 18:26:48 GMT
That makes me a moron then he was garbage before he had his stint on the bench and I’d have had him no where near the team. Now he’s playing like a man possessed so he has to be in the team but surely doesn’t make someone clueless to have a change of mind now the player has got his finger out If the cap fits Nice reply. Obviously can’t think of anything to say |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 27, 2020 18:36:41 GMT
Nice reply. Obviously can’t think of anything to say Im sick to death of talking about Joe Allen to be honest,the manager rates him highly just like the rest of the managers he’s had end of.O’Neill makes the decisions and he’ll do what is right by playing him when fit which is spot on |
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 27, 2020 18:50:57 GMT
Nice reply. Obviously can’t think of anything to say Im sick to death of talking about Joe Allen to be honest,the manager rates him highly just like the rest of the managers he’s had end of.O’Neill makes the decisions and he’ll do what is right by playing him when fit which is spot on Yeh agree with that but apologies I was talking about Chester and how his form has changed. |
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