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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 13, 2020 9:39:25 GMT
We are not good enough for the play offs and never have been. Anything above half way would be a good result this season. The manager knows this squad is nowhere near good enough. He has addressed the changing room mentality but now needs to add 3 or 4 quality players. This can't happen until we get rid of a lot of dead wood. I like what we are doing with Wimmer and Bauer by not playing them even when we are desperate for players because it sends out a message to them and their agents. If they don't move in January their careers are finished. It also won't go unnoticed by Etebo, Ndiaye, Woods and Afobe. The squad is more than good as it has showed. Indeed the only issue has been the negative tactics but even with those they’re still close to the play offs. Why are people so down about the squad? The players haven’t been the issue for years. Bayern I understand some of your points but honestly a starting 11 with tymon , and brown as it’s wide men in a front three wouldn’t win the league below , I do think we will improve worth Clucas and Allen back bad coysins for me is as good for us as Mikel but I still think hats leaves us between 6th and 12th and to be honest that’s about our average this season and the table isn’t distorted by now . i think hanging on to the top ten until January has to be our goal as the manager stated and the go for a Second half push for 6th and hope we catch a disappointed third in the play offs . If we don’t we are really scuppered as Collins , souttar , Campbell will all be summer targets . The problem with the logic is of course January depends on a totally flawed recruitment process and nothing bought in yet suggests it’s capable of delivering a season changing impetus .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2020 9:47:14 GMT
The squad is more than good as it has showed. Indeed the only issue has been the negative tactics but even with those they’re still close to the play offs. Why are people so down about the squad? The players haven’t been the issue for years. Bayern I understand some of your points but honestly a starting 11 with tymon , and brown as it’s wide men in a front three wouldn’t win the league below , I do think we will improve worth Clucas and Allen back bad coysins for me is as good for us as Mikel but I still think hats leaves us between 6th and 12th and to be honest that’s about our average this season and the table isn’t distorted by now . i think hanging on to the top ten until January has to be our goal as the manager stated and the go for a Second half push for 6th and hope we catch a disappointed third in the play offs . If we don’t we are really scuppered as Collins , souttar , Campbell will all be summer targets . The problem with the logic is of course January depends on a totally flawed recruitment process and nothing bought in yet suggests it’s capable of delivering a season changing impetus . I agree but I don’t think either should have been playing there yesterday. That’s entirely my point. Verlinden and Ince should have played. Only the manager knows why they didn’t and think it was a really negative thing: that’s my point!
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 13, 2020 10:40:52 GMT
Bayern I understand some of your points but honestly a starting 11 with tymon , and brown as it’s wide men in a front three wouldn’t win the league below , I do think we will improve worth Clucas and Allen back bad coysins for me is as good for us as Mikel but I still think hats leaves us between 6th and 12th and to be honest that’s about our average this season and the table isn’t distorted by now . i think hanging on to the top ten until January has to be our goal as the manager stated and the go for a Second half push for 6th and hope we catch a disappointed third in the play offs . If we don’t we are really scuppered as Collins , souttar , Campbell will all be summer targets . The problem with the logic is of course January depends on a totally flawed recruitment process and nothing bought in yet suggests it’s capable of delivering a season changing impetus . I agree but I don’t think either should have been playing there yesterday. That’s entirely my point. Verlinden and Ince should have played. Only the manager knows why they didn’t and think it was a really negative thing: that’s my point! Maybe because, unlike us, he’s seen them in training and practice matches. I’m assuming he thinks neither deserved to start yesterday or weren’t suited to the game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2020 10:41:37 GMT
I agree but I don’t think either should have been playing there yesterday. That’s entirely my point. Verlinden and Ince should have played. Only the manager knows why they didn’t and think it was a really negative thing: that’s my point! Maybe because, unlike us, he’s seen them in training and practice matches. I’m assuming he thinks neither deserved to start yesterday or weren’t suited to the game. I see Brown in games and it can’t be worse. The training argument is a nonsense.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 13, 2020 10:49:06 GMT
I have been a supporter for nearly 60 years and we’ve always been the biggest moaners in football. I sometimes go to watch Forest with my brother in law and you don’t hear anywhere near the moaning from the home fans even when they are playing terribly. He comes with me to watch Stoke just to hear the whinging! Bolton fans were the same when I went with my son when he was at Manchester uni. We sat amongst them and the moaning started the minute they sat down about potential selections, got worse when the team was announced and progressively worsened throughout the afternoon even if they were winning. We chose to go there rather than other grounds cos the crowd were so entertaining even if the football wasn't.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 13, 2020 10:49:58 GMT
Maybe because, unlike us, he’s seen them in training and practice matches. I’m assuming he thinks neither deserved to start yesterday or weren’t suited to the game. I see Brown in games and it can’t be worse. The training argument is a nonsense. No it’s not nonsense. It’s actually key. We base virtually every one of our arguments on here on the performances we see in matches. The reality is all managers earn their money during the week. Ultimately they have to gauge who is right and ready for match day. Mentally and physically. If you take a step back what’s actually nonsense is people like you who regularly profess to know more than a manager who’s doing an excellent job. Most of us accept that in reality we know very little about the players and their readiness or otherwise. We see this as a bit of escapism and fun.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Dec 13, 2020 10:59:23 GMT
I see Brown in games and it can’t be worse. The training argument is a nonsense. No it’s not nonsense. It’s actually key. We base virtually every one of our arguments on here on the performances we see in matches. The reality is all managers earn their money during the week. Ultimately they have to gauge who is right and ready for match day. Mentally and physically. If you take a step back what’s actually nonsense is people like you who regularly profess to know more than a manager who’s doing an excellent job. Most of us accept that in reality we know very little about the players and their readiness or otherwise. We see this as a bit of escapism and fun. Absolutely nailed it mate, bang on the money. Well said.
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Post by a on Dec 13, 2020 11:25:10 GMT
I still can’t believe people think the injuries have affected us. There’s just no evidence for it 😂🤦♂️ So not scoring goals isn’t evidence? You’ve lost the plot.
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Post by a on Dec 13, 2020 11:27:19 GMT
Not to sure where the positivity is in this post, tbh I’m not too sure what a lot of this post actually means...something about. people who want jones back are mad but not the busy type of mad, the lazy type of mad? 🤷🏻♂️ anyways... whatever... glad though that Bayern is stating their positivity outlook! People are thick The irony 😂
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Dec 13, 2020 21:02:24 GMT
Remember Bayern we lost 4-0 at Derby a few months ago. MON has been plagued by a long list of injuries and was still playing members of his squad who were not fully fit. I say to you that this is not a sprint it is a marathon. This point may well be precious come the end of the season.
On Tuesday let’s hope that the likes of Thompson and Fletcher may be more match fit.
We are eighth in the league and I am hoping for some sort of result at QPR. Another venue where last season we conceded four. So if we come away with a clean sheet that will be a start. If we can sneak a couple of goals that would be terrific.
So remember it is a marathon not a sprint!
Very best wishes.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 13, 2020 21:06:10 GMT
I see Brown in games and it can’t be worse. The training argument is a nonsense. No it’s not nonsense. It’s actually key. We base virtually every one of our arguments on here on the performances we see in matches. The reality is all managers earn their money during the week. Ultimately they have to gauge who is right and ready for match day. Mentally and physically. If you take a step back what’s actually nonsense is people like you who regularly profess to know more than a manager who’s doing an excellent job. Most of us accept that in reality we know very little about the players and their readiness or otherwise. We see this as a bit of escapism and fun. Bingo.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2020 21:07:44 GMT
Remember Bayern we lost 4-0 at Derby a few months ago. MON has been plagued by a long list of injuries and was still playing members of his squad who were not fully fit. I say to you that this is not a sprint it is a marathon. This point may well be precious come the end of the season. On Tuesday let’s hope that the likes of Thompson and Fletcher may be more match fit. We are eighth in the league and I am hoping for some sort of result at QPR. Another venue where last season we conceded four. So if we come away with a clean sheet that will be a start. If we can sneak a couple of goals that would be terrific. So remember it is a marathon not a sprint! Very best wishes. So he shat himself because of that game? That’s even worse. Why would you be thinking about that? Derby were awful and have been all season. That game is totally irrelevant. I hope neither start for different reasons. Fletcher has been overplayed and he needs to be used more sparingly to make sure he stays fit for longer. Thompson is about the worst player in the squad. Worrying about what happened in games last season is just odd. And the kind of mindset I despise.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2020 21:10:08 GMT
I see Brown in games and it can’t be worse. The training argument is a nonsense. No it’s not nonsense. It’s actually key. We base virtually every one of our arguments on here on the performances we see in matches. The reality is all managers earn their money during the week. Ultimately they have to gauge who is right and ready for match day. Mentally and physically. If you take a step back what’s actually nonsense is people like you who regularly profess to know more than a manager who’s doing an excellent job. Most of us accept that in reality we know very little about the players and their readiness or otherwise. We see this as a bit of escapism and fun. Is it heck. It’s long been the bastion of a shit argument for shit players and crazy decisions. Christ we had used to defend why Vokes took a penalty the other day. I honestly couldn’t give a shit what happens on the training pitch. What happens in 90 minutes is the only thing that matters. For far too long people have been using training as an excuse for absolutely mental things that make no sense. It’s a nonsense argument.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 13, 2020 21:15:45 GMT
No it’s not nonsense. It’s actually key. We base virtually every one of our arguments on here on the performances we see in matches. The reality is all managers earn their money during the week. Ultimately they have to gauge who is right and ready for match day. Mentally and physically. If you take a step back what’s actually nonsense is people like you who regularly profess to know more than a manager who’s doing an excellent job. Most of us accept that in reality we know very little about the players and their readiness or otherwise. We see this as a bit of escapism and fun. Is it heck. It’s long been the bastion of a shit argument for shit players and crazy decisions. Christ we had used to defend why Vokes took a penalty the other day. I honestly couldn’t give a shit what happens on the training pitch. What happens in 90 minutes is the only thing that matters. For far too long people have been using training as an excuse for absolutely mental things that make no sense. It’s a nonsense argument. That’s about the biggest pile of shit you ever dumped on this forum. And there’s been some elephant sized loads. Training doesn’t matter. You heard the man.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2020 21:19:38 GMT
Is it heck. It’s long been the bastion of a shit argument for shit players and crazy decisions. Christ we had used to defend why Vokes took a penalty the other day. I honestly couldn’t give a shit what happens on the training pitch. What happens in 90 minutes is the only thing that matters. For far too long people have been using training as an excuse for absolutely mental things that make no sense. It’s a nonsense argument. That’s about the biggest pile of shit you ever dumped on this forum. And there’s been some elephant sized loads. Training doesn’t matter. You heard the man. Not as an argument no. It’s the last bastion of a shit argument. Used when everything we can see points to the opposite. And used to defend crap decisions. That’s exactly what is going on here. Decisions that make no sense being defended by something we can’t see. I find it laughable.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 13, 2020 21:24:37 GMT
That’s about the biggest pile of shit you ever dumped on this forum. And there’s been some elephant sized loads. Training doesn’t matter. You heard the man. Not as an argument no. It’s the last bastion of a shit argument. Used when everything we can see points to the opposite. And used to defend crap decisions. That’s exactly what is going on here. Decisions that make no sense being defended by something we can’t see. I find it laughable. So let me get this right. The manager should base his selections purely and simply on what he sees on match day? Not take into account a players physical condition, mental state, match readiness, performance during training in the week, attitude, influence in the dressing room, etc etc. Is that what you’re saying Bayern? And you’re calling my argument a nonsense argument!! At this point, for the benefit of my sanity, I’ll retire from our head to head.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2020 21:28:55 GMT
Not as an argument no. It’s the last bastion of a shit argument. Used when everything we can see points to the opposite. And used to defend crap decisions. That’s exactly what is going on here. Decisions that make no sense being defended by something we can’t see. I find it laughable. So let me get this right. The manager should base his selections purely and simply on what he sees on match day? Not take into account a players physical condition, mental state, match readiness, performance during training in the week, attitude, influence in the dressing room, etc etc. Is that what you’re saying Bayern? And you’re calling my argument a nonsense argument!! At this point, for the benefit of my sanity, I’ll retire from our head to head. I’m on about people on here using it as an argument! Can you not read?
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 13, 2020 21:38:47 GMT
So let me get this right. The manager should base his selections purely and simply on what he sees on match day? Not take into account a players physical condition, mental state, match readiness, performance during training in the week, attitude, influence in the dressing room, etc etc. Is that what you’re saying Bayern? And you’re calling my argument a nonsense argument!! At this point, for the benefit of my sanity, I’ll retire from our head to head. I’m on about people on here using it as an argument! Can you not read? It’s a perfectly valid reason. You make absolutely zero sense sometimes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2020 21:41:16 GMT
I’m on about people on here using it as an argument! Can you not read? It’s a perfectly valid reason. You make absolutely zero sense sometimes. No it’s not. Because they might be doing fuck all in training 😂 It’s completely made up.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 14, 2020 6:33:49 GMT
Not as an argument no. It’s the last bastion of a shit argument. Used when everything we can see points to the opposite. And used to defend crap decisions. That’s exactly what is going on here. Decisions that make no sense being defended by something we can’t see. I find it laughable. So let me get this right. The manager should base his selections purely and simply on what he sees on match day? Not take into account a players physical condition, mental state, match readiness, performance during training in the week, attitude, influence in the dressing room, etc etc. Is that what you’re saying Bayern? And you’re calling my argument a nonsense argument!! At this point, for the benefit of my sanity, I’ll retire from our head to head. Well, if after doing drills and fitness routines through cones, sticks etc he comes to the conclusion that Vokes is prime for match time, maybe a little more attention should be given to match form.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 13, 2021 16:31:04 GMT
This has aged well
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