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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2020 20:39:47 GMT
I think we’ve improved with the injuries and haven’t missed anyone bar Campbell today. The squad is good as it has showed. I think he is the issue though atm. His negativity is holding the team back. It has been all season but he’s way better than it and I expect it to change. Can’t agree. He’s the sole reason we didn’t get relegated last year. And he’s the main reason we’re in a very strong position this year. He’s not perfect and can be over cautious. But he’s still fucking brilliant and has enough credit in the bank to be forgiven a shitty 0-0 at Derby. A Derby who are actually now unbeaten in 4 and gave Brentford a test last week. They’re no mugs. He was. But not arsed about that tbh. I disagree. This squad is good and the young players are the reason. We should have been using them for much longer than we have. And even now we still don’t use enough of them. This is more than today. Most of the season I think he’s been too negative. Derby were shit. A good side puts 3/4 past us in that first half.
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 12, 2020 20:54:17 GMT
Yhe performance today was decent but not at all inspiring, however...
We were missing almost a full team of potential starters.
We have yet to benefit from any "lucky" points this season. We've had bad luck and poor decisions in a few games. We are potentially omly 2 wins off automatic promotion.
The manager is doing a tremendous job. I am proud of the team dor the first time in nearly 3 years.
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Post by hcstokie on Dec 12, 2020 20:56:36 GMT
Given the volume of injuries I think if we can keep points ticking over until January we will be doing well. Until we get some players back (mainly Campbell) I can’t see us winning many games easily as we don’t have enough goals in us. If we can stay around 6-8 points off the play offs going into January that would be a good result in my opinion but I don’t expect the games to be pretty over the coming weeks.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Dec 12, 2020 22:50:21 GMT
Some seem to have a sense of entitlement that is misplaced. Look at the money spent on players who are either on loan, playing in the Under 23s or had their contracts torn up for being a tosser and then tell me how we get out of the situation we find ourselves in? I’m amazed we’re doing as well as we are with our options at the moment. We don’t have any spending power to make January any better than one out and one in. It’s a slow process and yes, we’re not that great at the moment and yes, the top three are pulling away but I’m happy to keep that Top 6 in sight, get a full squad available, and even if Ty is out long term, we might have an opportunity in January to adjust and adapt. There’s far too much bile being spat out at the moment. Perspective is everything. I think we are entitled to see them start with some kind of intent before the manager has to give them a good rodding at half time to wake them up!. That's my perspective. H We’re not very good though H so manage your high expectations 😉
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Post by RAF on Dec 12, 2020 23:00:52 GMT
I think we are entitled to see them start with some kind of intent before the manager has to give them a good rodding at half time to wake them up!. That's my perspective. H We’re not very good though H so manage your high expectations 😉 I don't even have low expectations anymore. Best way not to get disappointed. I do think I'm entitled to some effort in the first 45 mins though Mike. H ;)
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 12, 2020 23:08:56 GMT
Thought I’d start my own thread because it just seems far too negative on all the other threads. Yes today wasn’t really pretty but it’s needs must at the moment. Who knows, today’s point could be crucial at the business end of the season. Add Davies, a fitter Shawcross, Allen, Mikel, Clucas, McClean, Gregory,Campbell and fitter Fletcher and Verlinden. Plus maybe 1 or 2 new additions to the squad right now,then as I’ve said on previous threads the second half of the season could and for what it’s worth in my opinion will be something special. Stay in the top 10 until Jan and we’ll be up there. Totally agree. What you fail to mention is without stating the obvious and sounding boring. LOOK AT THE BIG FUCKING PICTURE AND STATE OF THIS CLUB THIS TIME LAST YEAR ! It’s a minor miracle we are here. We’re work in progress. Give the guy 2 or 3 seasons FFS. I have been disappointed with recent performances but as you rightly say, look where we have come from in 12 months. What's more it has been done with a load of players bought by previous managers, who couldn't get them to perform. MO'N has, and he has done it with one arm tied behind his back and only able to bring in mediocre players. He has also brought on a string of young players. I think he is a sound judge of players and much better than many of the posters on this MB. The last 5 managers have hardly used the academy. Half the team are now young players. Patience is a virtue. We are not going to make major in roads in the Championship until we have improved the quality of the squad. That is not going to happen till the club have off-loaded more players. Some of MO'N signings are clearly make shift till he has cleared the books of those he does not want. Getting rid of players on long lucrative contracts is going to take more than the 13 months MO'N has been here. The pandemic has not helped to shift players out of the club. I am disappointed with negative play. But I can understand MO'N's thinking. All too often last season teams tore us to shreds, we are now proving to be one of the most difficult teams to score against. As Cloughy used to say when he played for Middlesbrough, there is no point being a record goal scorer if they are being let in at the other end just as fast. The most pleasing thing he has said is "Were work in progress". He knows it is a long haul and I'm sure has set his thoughts along that way. If he can introduce some more young players this season (bought or academy) and set himself up so he can start to cull all the old dead wood next summer, that is alright by me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2020 23:12:38 GMT
I still can’t believe people think the injuries have affected us. There’s just no evidence for it 😂🤦♂️
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Post by fulagoals on Dec 12, 2020 23:20:48 GMT
Thought I’d start my own thread because it just seems far too negative on all the other threads. Yes today wasn’t really pretty but it’s needs must at the moment. Who knows, today’s point could be crucial at the business end of the season. Add Davies, a fitter Shawcross, Allen, Mikel, Clucas, McClean, Gregory,Campbell and fitter Fletcher and Verlinden. Plus maybe 1 or 2 new additions to the squad right now,then as I’ve said on previous threads the second half of the season could and for what it’s worth in my opinion will be something special. Stay in the top 10 until Jan and we’ll be up there. It's took me an hour to stop laughing. Add Gregory..Jesus wept. Laugh all you want. IMO Gregory offers more to the team than Vokes does. Therefore as a squad member and maybe in games that we are winning and are tough games his workmanlike attitude is an attribute to work tired defenders as a substitute when one or two of our first choice strikers are spent in a game. No he’s not premier quality but he’s a seasoned championship striker who can chip in with a goal also.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 12, 2020 23:28:17 GMT
The most negative thing atm is the manager. You like our negative manager though?
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 12, 2020 23:30:08 GMT
I still can’t believe people think the injuries have affected us. There’s just no evidence for it 😂🤦♂️ I still can’t believe you’ve made over 100k comments on something you seem detest so much but here you are
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2020 23:32:33 GMT
I still can’t believe people think the injuries have affected us. There’s just no evidence for it 😂🤦♂️ I still can’t believe you’ve made over 100k comments on something you seem detest so much but here you are Pwingy, the ultimate troll.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 12, 2020 23:34:03 GMT
I still can’t believe you’ve made over 100k comments on something you seem detest so much but here you are Pwingy, the ultimate troll. As I’ve said before. How ironic when you post 100000 posts just purely trolling 😃
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2020 23:44:26 GMT
Pwingy, the ultimate troll. As I’ve said before. How ironic when you post 100000 posts just purely trolling 😃 Trolling? I believe almost every word I say 😂
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Post by Fred Ferret on Dec 12, 2020 23:51:43 GMT
Fulagoals, it just not today its been crap boring football for a number of games even when we had the so called better players on the pitch, Stoke are a mid table championship team i don't see anything that will change that,most of you who keep on saying it will improve are the ones who said before the season started was wait until the manager has his own player's and you will see stoke as a promotion team, they are miles from it Yes, miles apart - all 2 points from a playoff place.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2020 0:34:22 GMT
This is really odd for me.
People getting wound up because I’m being positive 😂
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 13, 2020 1:13:18 GMT
This is really odd for me. People getting wound up because I’m being positive 😂 You are freaking everybody out Bayern - Stop it!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2020 1:15:41 GMT
This is really odd for me. People getting wound up because I’m being positive 😂 You are freaking everybody out Bayern - Stop it! I just can’t fathom why people don’t think the squad is actually better than they think. The performances haven’t changed much etc. There’s not much logic to the thoughts going on. It’s the black and white thinking. If you think MON is being negative, you obviously want him sacked and want Jones back. It’s just mad. So lazy.
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Post by potterburt on Dec 13, 2020 1:23:01 GMT
You are freaking everybody out Bayern - Stop it! I just can’t fathom why people don’t think the squad is actually better than they think. The performances haven’t changed much etc. There’s not much logic to the thoughts going on. It’s the black and white thinking. If you think MON is being negative, you obviously want him sacked and want Jones back. It’s just mad. So lazy. Not to sure where the positivity is in this post, tbh I’m not too sure what a lot of this post actually means...something about. people who want jones back are mad but not the busy type of mad, the lazy type of mad? 🤷🏻♂️ anyways... whatever... glad though that Bayern is stating their positivity outlook!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2020 1:25:28 GMT
I just can’t fathom why people don’t think the squad is actually better than they think. The performances haven’t changed much etc. There’s not much logic to the thoughts going on. It’s the black and white thinking. If you think MON is being negative, you obviously want him sacked and want Jones back. It’s just mad. So lazy. Not to sure where the positivity is in this post, tbh I’m not too sure what a lot of this post actually means...something about. people who want jones back are mad but not the busy type of mad, the lazy type of mad? 🤷🏻♂️ anyways... whatever... glad though that Bayern is stating their positivity outlook! People are thick
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Post by kustokie on Dec 13, 2020 1:29:33 GMT
I have been a supporter for nearly 60 years and we’ve always been the biggest moaners in football. I sometimes go to watch Forest with my brother in law and you don’t hear anywhere near the moaning from the home fans even when they are playing terribly. He comes with me to watch Stoke just to hear the whinging!
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Post by potterburt on Dec 13, 2020 1:35:17 GMT
The reason of this thread is obviously to point out how far we’ve come compared to even 12 months ago and how we can start to get positive on some aspects of our team. Finally.... the start of an upwards curve!
Personally I find it sooo boring, mundane, lazy and lacking much worth of a lot of supporters on this forum that just chirp up with ‘he’s wank’ ‘utter toss’ ‘ waste of space’ ‘waste of time’...and so on and so on....
Such comments lend nothing to the conversation, they neither add to analysis, conjecture, thought process... it literally only shows that you have nothing better to spend those few minutes of your life other than to type out a string of words of pure negativity.
It’s ironic by how much the effort of typing such words is in trying to layout such a lazy and pointless comment.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 13, 2020 4:03:23 GMT
Hold on. I immediately saw a positive point raised by Bayern's post, which is why I responded like I did. This probably wasn't his intention, but it's made me realize something.
I was carrying round a bias. For me - I think all these months of falling from the PL then barely hanging on in the Championship created a doubt in me where I thought that we are a worse team AS COMPARED to the rest of the league than we really are. Back then we were so bad that we could have played OURSELVES and lost. We hadn't scored more than 3 goals in what? A century? Then MON comes along and we aren't that same omni-shambles we once were.
So why did I and why do so many others still think that this team is so bad and capable of only a mid-table finish? When you look at this league - none of these teams are THAT much better than everyone else. And there are some real clowns managing these teams too. (Like that tool at Middlesbrough who tried to kick our starting 11 into the hospital) We have been blessed with a level-headed manager, not a perfect manager, but one definitely worth keeping.
So could a similar bias have crept into the team? Is this the reason why we often go up 1-0 then start trying to "protect" a lead? Let's face it, many of these teams aren't good enough to overcome a 1-0 deficit against our defense. I think we could start winning these games 2-0 instead of just holding on or worse yet, blowing a 1-0 lead. We're capable of this, but not if we're trying to just kill out the game.
As MON said - we are a work in progress. He's made comments on the importance of "Confidence." I think he should be given time to accomplish something here and build his OWN confidence as he goes along. I think (and hope) then we will see this reflected in the tactics and results. OR... (Had to edit this in) MON may actually HAVE a lack of confidence, warranted by the fact that he doesn't feel like he has the tools (YET) on the field to play more aggressively. This may be his way of "hanging on" while key players heal from injury and/or we hit a transfer window.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 13, 2020 7:40:44 GMT
I’m not being negative. How is thinking your side is better than what they’re showing being negative? 😂 You’ve been dying for the chance to go full on nuclear negative for weeks Bayern You’re like a little black cloud slinking around waiting for the opportunity to piss down your negativity on everything and everyone. He's just starting early with having a go at the manage so that when the inevitable happens and we part company he can point back to these posts and tell us all how he right he was...
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Dec 13, 2020 8:36:39 GMT
People need to remember the state of things when MON came in, bottom off the league, greedy players who wanted out. Things are turning, he’s took us from bottom of the league to 8th and competing at the right end of the table in little over a year. The last three performances have been a hard watch but once we get injured players back I can see us kicking on again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2020 8:59:05 GMT
You’ve been dying for the chance to go full on nuclear negative for weeks Bayern You’re like a little black cloud slinking around waiting for the opportunity to piss down your negativity on everything and everyone. He's just starting early with having a go at the manage so that when the inevitable happens and we part company he can point back to these posts and tell us all how he right he was... I don’t want us to part company with him, I think he can get get us promoted. So quite the opposite! Read what I’m actually writing 😂🤦♂️ I have very high hopes for MON.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2020 9:00:45 GMT
People need to remember the state of things when MON came in, bottom off the league, greedy players who wanted out. Things are turning, he’s took us from bottom of the league to 8th and competing at the right end of the table in little over a year. The last three performances have been a hard watch but once we get injured players back I can see us kicking on again. I thought the Cardiff and Boro games were two of our best performances this season 😂
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 9:21:34 GMT
The problem is that the top teams are pulling away. A few games ago we were one win off first. Now we're 3 wins away. We're still only one win from 6th, but considering goal difference, we're 5 points off 5th. I fear that a playoff spot is quick slipping away. We are not good enough for the play offs and never have been. Anything above half way would be a good result this season. The manager knows this squad is nowhere near good enough. He has addressed the changing room mentality but now needs to add 3 or 4 quality players. This can't happen until we get rid of a lot of dead wood. I like what we are doing with Wimmer and Bauer by not playing them even when we are desperate for players because it sends out a message to them and their agents. If they don't move in January their careers are finished. It also won't go unnoticed by Etebo, Ndiaye, Woods and Afobe.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2020 9:25:02 GMT
The problem is that the top teams are pulling away. A few games ago we were one win off first. Now we're 3 wins away. We're still only one win from 6th, but considering goal difference, we're 5 points off 5th. I fear that a playoff spot is quick slipping away. We are not good enough for the play offs and never have been. Anything above half way would be a good result this season. The manager knows this squad is nowhere near good enough. He has addressed the changing room mentality but now needs to add 3 or 4 quality players. This can't happen until we get rid of a lot of dead wood. I like what we are doing with Wimmer and Bauer by not playing them even when we are desperate for players because it sends out a message to them and their agents. If they don't move in January their careers are finished. It also won't go unnoticed by Etebo, Ndiaye, Woods and Afobe. The squad is more than good as it has showed. Indeed the only issue has been the negative tactics but even with those they’re still close to the play offs. Why are people so down about the squad? The players haven’t been the issue for years.
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Post by Ron on Dec 13, 2020 9:29:43 GMT
Considering where we were - it’s hard to believe the moaning when we’ve been reliant on a limited squad lately.
It’s been negative as there’s zero creativity and we’re reliant on poor league one footballers. Ever likely keeping a clean sheet the priority.
It was a hard watch yesterday.. but I’m happy with any away point.
As long as we are in touch with playoffs we can’t ask for more.
This squad , fully fit even, doesn’t have the quality and depth in forward areas to make automatic.
We separately need a proven goal scorer.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 13, 2020 9:33:54 GMT
Considering where we were - it’s hard to believe the moaning when we’ve been reliant on a limited squad lately. It’s been negative as there’s zero creativity and we’re reliant on poor league one footballers. Ever likely keeping a clean sheet the priority. It was a hard watch yesterday.. but I’m happy with any away point. As long as we are in touch with playoffs we can’t ask for more. This squad , fully fit even, doesn’t have the quality and depth in forward areas to make automatic. We separately need a proven goal scorer. Fletcher is a proven goalscorer. Campbell is pretty much too. Powell is a proven goalscoring midfielder. Clucas is a proven goalscoring midfielder.
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