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Post by behindthemanager on Dec 9, 2020 23:30:48 GMT
hughes made us first club in pl history to lose to the same team by 4 goals or more in four consecutive meetings.
never forget what hughes do to us. couldnt play defence, no 4-4-2, wasted money, and sent us down.
never liked him.
long live oneil
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Post by walrus on Dec 9, 2020 23:53:20 GMT
Hughes was the third best manager we’ve had this century.
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Post by Gods on Dec 10, 2020 0:09:27 GMT
hughes made us first club in pl history to lose to the same team by 4 goals or more in four consecutive meetings. never forget what hughes do to us. couldnt play defence, no 4-4-2, wasted money, and sent us down. never liked him. long live oneil What Hughes did to us? The only 3 consecutive, top half, top flight finishes in the history of the football club. Stoke 6 Liverpool 1. Beat Man City and Man United both 2-0 one December. Stokealona. Bojan, Arnautovic, Shaquiri. Sure it went Pete Tong at the end but what a journey. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 10, 2020 0:15:54 GMT
hughes made us first club in pl history to lose to the same team by 4 goals or more in four consecutive meetings. never forget what hughes do to us. couldnt play defence, no 4-4-2, wasted money, and sent us down. never liked him. long live oneil 3 top half finishes for the first time since 1947. ( I'm missing the war years) |
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Post by jonnybravo on Dec 11, 2020 10:08:49 GMT
He didn't actually send us down though did he,we weren't in the bottom 3 when he left, he probably would of got us a couple of wins we needed to stay up.and we played some of the best football I've ever seen played watching stoke
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2020 10:12:07 GMT
hughes made us first club in pl history to lose to the same team by 4 goals or more in four consecutive meetings. never forget what hughes do to us. couldnt play defence, no 4-4-2, wasted money, and sent us down. never liked him. long live oneil He'd be a lot more fondly remembered if the owners had done what they did with Pulis and got rid of him at the right time. |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Dec 11, 2020 14:03:09 GMT
I think he would have got the points to just about save us. Coates pulled the trigger at totally the wrong time as it was criminal not having a decent manager lined up to replace him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 11, 2020 14:07:25 GMT
Best football I've watched was produced under Hughes.
A crap end but way more to do with the board not sacking him when they should.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 11, 2020 14:36:24 GMT
Best football I've watched was produced under Hughes. A crap end but way more to do with the board not sacking him when they should. Nobody under the age of 50-odd has seen a better Stoke team than Hughes' 13-15. And people hate him. Mad innit |
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 11, 2020 15:01:02 GMT
hughes made us first club in pl history to lose to the same team by 4 goals or more in four consecutive meetings. never forget what hughes do to us. couldnt play defence, no 4-4-2, wasted money, and sent us down. never liked him. long live oneil What Hughes did to us? The only 3 consecutive, top half, top flight finishes in the history of the football club. Stoke 6 Liverpool 1. Beat Man City and Man United both 2-0 one December. Stokealona. Bojan, Arnautovic, Shaquiri. Sure it went Pete Tong at the end but what a journey. Well, we’re going to have to cling on to the memories of that short period of time when we could live with the big boys, but we couldn’t turn on that form consistently. And what exactly was the reward for three ninth places ? We didn’t receive any silverware or trips into Europe ! Hughes legacy is still being felt by the club, he’s left us hamstrung by his disastrous transfer policies not just on incoming transfers but also on outgoing players. The three players that you mentioned, just what financial windfall did Stoke receive when these players left us ? Shaquiri left for the same price that we paid out for him, Arnautovic went for a tidy profit but nowhere near his true value, and remember at what cost did his inspirational display for West Ham against Stoke have on our battle against relegation ? Bojan left for nothing but our best wishes and thoughts of what might have been, these three were on good wages which were probably increased during their time with us, and we would probably be contributing to Bojans wages during his excursions around Europe, Stokealona was a dream that’s turned into nightmare. |
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Dec 11, 2020 15:20:40 GMT
hughes made us first club in pl history to lose to the same team by 4 goals or more in four consecutive meetings. never forget what hughes do to us. couldnt play defence, no 4-4-2, wasted money, and sent us down. never liked him. long live oneil Fucking shit bin of a thread. Hughes gave the majority of Stoke fans the best football they have ever seen us play, signed some of the best players we have ever had, gave us some of the best score lines we had ever seen against top teams, and turned Stoke into a team that on their day could beat anybody. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 11, 2020 16:19:52 GMT
I think he would have got the points to just about save us. Coates pulled the trigger at totally the wrong time as it was criminal not having a decent manager lined up to replace him. That’s just pure speculation. Fans were baying for his removal and, after the Coventry debacle, Coates had really no choice as our form was diabolical and relegation stared us in the face. IMO Hughes had lost interest and it showed. Fans thought we had several manager options lined up but Flores and Rowett who both used our interest in them to better their own contracts and Martin O’Neil just didn’t fancy the job and who can blame him with the shithousery players we had. |
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Post by march4 on Dec 11, 2020 16:30:40 GMT
hughes made us first club in pl history to lose to the same team by 4 goals or more in four consecutive meetings. never forget what hughes do to us. couldnt play defence, no 4-4-2, wasted money, and sent us down. never liked him. long live oneil What Hughes did to us? The only 3 consecutive, top half, top flight finishes in the history of the football club. Stoke 6 Liverpool 1. Beat Man City and Man United both 2-0 one December. Stokealona. Bojan, Arnautovic, Shaquiri. Sure it went Pete Tong at the end but what a journey. All done on the back of TP’s hard work and organisation. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 11, 2020 16:31:04 GMT
I’ve said it on numerous occasions I cannot forgive Hughes for the state he left the club in and yet I agree he gave us some of the best footy for years.Sadly the first bit outweighs the football but each to their own
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Post by Brist_AL on Dec 11, 2020 16:56:15 GMT
I always think of Hughes as the poor mans Harry Redknapp he brings you glory and leaves you in big mess, however some of the football against premiership elite was fabulous.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Dec 11, 2020 17:08:43 GMT
Who would swap three years of being recognised for great football and superb players under Hughes for three more years of binary boredom under Pulís?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 11, 2020 17:13:11 GMT
I always said at the time he should have been removed immediately providing we had a decent replacement waiting in the wings.
But let's be honest if we'd kept him instead of appointing Lambert we couldn't have done any worse, maybe just maybe we'd have scraped those extra couple of wins but we'll never know.....
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Post by StaffordPotter on Dec 11, 2020 17:19:47 GMT
hughes made us first club in pl history to lose to the same team by 4 goals or more in four consecutive meetings. never forget what hughes do to us. couldnt play defence, no 4-4-2, wasted money, and sent us down. never liked him. long live oneil Whatever you say about the bloke, he gave us some amazing memories during his time here. 6-1 against Liverpool. League Cup semi final. Stokealona. |
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 11, 2020 17:22:33 GMT
I think he would have got the points to just about save us. Coates pulled the trigger at totally the wrong time as it was criminal not having a decent manager lined up to replace him. That’s just pure speculation. Fans were baying for his removal and, after the Coventry debacle, Coates had really no choice as our form was diabolical and relegation stared us in the face. IMO Hughes had lost interest and it showed. Fans thought we had several manager options lined up but Flores and Rowett who both used our interest in them to better their own contracts and Martin O’Neil just didn’t fancy the job and who can blame him with the shithousery players we had. Yep there would've been mass riots if they hadn't sacked him. Rewriting of history I think. |
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 11, 2020 18:00:54 GMT
hughes made us first club in pl history to lose to the same team by 4 goals or more in four consecutive meetings. never forget what hughes do to us. couldnt play defence, no 4-4-2, wasted money, and sent us down. never liked him. long live oneil Hughes was so lucky to pick up a very decent squad after Pulis had done the graft of getting us promoted and establishing us in the Prem. He was doubly lucky in being backed big time in the transfer market. There's no denying that he gave us a great spell, but he definitely left us broken in more ways than one. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2020 18:24:59 GMT
What Hughes did to us? The only 3 consecutive, top half, top flight finishes in the history of the football club. Stoke 6 Liverpool 1. Beat Man City and Man United both 2-0 one December. Stokealona. Bojan, Arnautovic, Shaquiri. Sure it went Pete Tong at the end but what a journey. Well, we’re going to have to cling on to the memories of that short period of time when we could live with the big boys, but we couldn’t turn on that form consistently. And what exactly was the reward for three ninth places ? We didn’t receive any silverware or trips into Europe ! Hughes legacy is still being felt by the club, he’s left us hamstrung by his disastrous transfer policies not just on incoming transfers but also on outgoing players. The three players that you mentioned, just what financial windfall did Stoke receive when these players left us ? Shaquiri left for the same price that we paid out for him, Arnautovic went for a tidy profit but nowhere near his true value, and remember at what cost did his inspirational display for West Ham against Stoke have on our battle against relegation ? Bojan left for nothing but our best wishes and thoughts of what might have been, these three were on good wages which were probably increased during their time with us, and we would probably be contributing to Bojans wages during his excursions around Europe, Stokealona was a dream that’s turned into nightmare. I never understand the ‘finishing ninth isn’t a trophy so it’s valueless’ argument. For a team like us it was an excellent achievement and the journey was an awful lot of fun. Dismiss it if you want but you have to dismiss the fine football and performances the team produced. Smashing Liverpool and Spurs and Villa. Finally beating Man United and Chelsea. A penalty shootout from Wembley. They’re great memories and that on some level is what football is about. Yeah they didn’t do it consistently. Few teams outside the top clubs do. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2020 18:26:35 GMT
hughes made us first club in pl history to lose to the same team by 4 goals or more in four consecutive meetings. never forget what hughes do to us. couldnt play defence, no 4-4-2, wasted money, and sent us down. never liked him. long live oneil Hughes was so lucky to pick up a very decent squad after Pulis had done the graft of getting us promoted and establishing us in the Prem. He was doubly lucky in being backed big time in the transfer market. There's no denying that he gave us a great spell, but he definitely left us broken in more ways than one. I don’t think that’s quite true. The ‘very decent squad’ he inherited had one three times in five months and were reportedly dispirited and divided, and he did better with it than his predecessor ever did. He was backed eventually, and with disastrous consequences, but in his first two (and best) seasons, we were among the lowest spenders and had one of the lower wage bills in the Premier League. |
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Post by lordb on Dec 11, 2020 18:35:58 GMT
He wasn't easy to like though
Chris Kamara was obviously an appalling manager but can't help but like him
Hughes...loved a lot of his time here but not easy to warm to
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 18:39:19 GMT
I enjoyed Stoke under Hughes much more than I did under Pulis or anyone else. Pity it didnt last but these were the best times I think Stoke with have for a long long time. Some of the football was unbelievable - that win against Liverpool was the pinnacle. It will never happen again. I remember telling my son after that game, as we waited for players to appear a good hour after the match finished, that we had reached the highest point we possibly could - and it was downhill from here - how true it was. I just never realised just how quickly we would fall.
But Hughes did give a glow to Stoke that nobody else has done since Tony Waddington.
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 11, 2020 20:59:36 GMT
Well, we’re going to have to cling on to the memories of that short period of time when we could live with the big boys, but we couldn’t turn on that form consistently. And what exactly was the reward for three ninth places ? We didn’t receive any silverware or trips into Europe ! Hughes legacy is still being felt by the club, he’s left us hamstrung by his disastrous transfer policies not just on incoming transfers but also on outgoing players. The three players that you mentioned, just what financial windfall did Stoke receive when these players left us ? Shaquiri left for the same price that we paid out for him, Arnautovic went for a tidy profit but nowhere near his true value, and remember at what cost did his inspirational display for West Ham against Stoke have on our battle against relegation ? Bojan left for nothing but our best wishes and thoughts of what might have been, these three were on good wages which were probably increased during their time with us, and we would probably be contributing to Bojans wages during his excursions around Europe, Stokealona was a dream that’s turned into nightmare. I never understand the ‘finishing ninth isn’t a trophy so it’s valueless’ argument. For a team like us it was an excellent achievement and the journey was an awful lot of fun. Dismiss it if you want but you have to dismiss the fine football and performances the team produced. Smashing Liverpool and Spurs and Villa. Finally beating Man United and Chelsea. A penalty shootout from Wembley. They’re great memories and that on some level is what football is about. Yeah they didn’t do it consistently. Few teams outside the top clubs do. It’s fortunate that we have custodians who have deep pockets because those memories didn’t come cheap, we might not have been big spenders in Hughes first two seasons but we paid big wages on generous terms. When the purse strings were loosened the decline in fortunes began. Ironically a club of similar stature to ourselves with a Hughes outcast at the heart of its defence managed to consistently pull off results and were crowned champions. Without our owners financial muscle, Hughes legacy could have quite possibly seen the end of Stoke City, we are constantly restricted by FFP as a result of a disastrous recruitment policy e.g purchasing players at ridiculous prices, on long term contracts and with no resale value ! |
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Post by behindthemanager on Dec 11, 2020 21:02:07 GMT
makes me laugh how many defend hughes. he was after the utd job didnt care bout us. the man and coates family took us down. should of hired european manager instead.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2020 21:14:30 GMT
I never understand the ‘finishing ninth isn’t a trophy so it’s valueless’ argument. For a team like us it was an excellent achievement and the journey was an awful lot of fun. Dismiss it if you want but you have to dismiss the fine football and performances the team produced. Smashing Liverpool and Spurs and Villa. Finally beating Man United and Chelsea. A penalty shootout from Wembley. They’re great memories and that on some level is what football is about. Yeah they didn’t do it consistently. Few teams outside the top clubs do. It’s fortunate that we have custodians who have deep pockets because those memories didn’t come cheap, we might not have been big spenders in Hughes first two seasons but we paid big wages on generous terms. When the purse strings were loosened the decline in fortunes began. Ironically a club of similar stature to ourselves with a Hughes outcast at the heart of its defence managed to consistently pull off results and were crowned champions. Without our owners financial muscle, Hughes legacy could have quite possibly seen the end of Stoke City, we are constantly restricted by FFP as a result of a disastrous recruitment policy e.g purchasing players at ridiculous prices, on long term contracts and with no resale value ! We were actually among the lowest wage bills in his first couple of seasons. Not sure it’s fair to use the Leicester miracle as a stick to beat Hughes with. They did brilliantly but it was a one-off. He lost the plot but that doesn’t mean the good times weren’t good. He should’ve been removed at the end of his penultimate season, the same way Pulis was moved on when the time was right. The owners are culpable there. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2020 21:16:37 GMT
makes me laugh how many defend hughes. he was after the utd job didnt care bout us. the man and coates family took us down. should of hired european manager instead. Nonsense. Are you saying all the other managers we’ve had are here because they really love us and wouldn’t take a bigger job if it was offered? |
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 11, 2020 21:54:08 GMT
It’s fortunate that we have custodians who have deep pockets because those memories didn’t come cheap, we might not have been big spenders in Hughes first two seasons but we paid big wages on generous terms. When the purse strings were loosened the decline in fortunes began. Ironically a club of similar stature to ourselves with a Hughes outcast at the heart of its defence managed to consistently pull off results and were crowned champions. Without our owners financial muscle, Hughes legacy could have quite possibly seen the end of Stoke City, we are constantly restricted by FFP as a result of a disastrous recruitment policy e.g purchasing players at ridiculous prices, on long term contracts and with no resale value ! We were actually among the lowest wage bills in his first couple of seasons. Not sure it’s fair to use the Leicester miracle as a stick to beat Hughes with. They did brilliantly but it was a one-off. He lost the plot but that doesn’t mean the good times weren’t good. He should’ve been removed at the end of his penultimate season, the same way Pulis was moved on when the time was right. The owners are culpable there. It seems that Arnie was absolutely right when he said he wanted to leave Stoke because of a lack of ambition (even though he was nothing more than a mercenary) if fans are content with looking back at three ninth places as though we had reached our ceiling god help us, even Burnley obtained a higher finish ! We all look back at games and results with a sense of disbelief that a Stoke side could actually play and entertain to such high standards, but those games were one offs, they weren’t consecutive wins in one season, they were spread over two and a bit seasons. I am more excited about what could be happening now, a side containing homegrown players, Young raw talent coming to the club because of ambition and not the money and a manager who is galvanising the club, team and supporters. |
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 11, 2020 22:14:09 GMT
Hughes did OK and signed some class players until the latter stages when he signed some tripe. His tenacity in signing Berahino accentuated it and it all started to unravel compounded by the appointments of Rowett (arguably didnt have long enough) and Jones who made it worse of course. We are still suffering from this period of acquisition and do we really know what influence Cartwright had?
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