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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 16:48:29 GMT
Can't believe he was allowed to take it.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 9, 2020 16:50:42 GMT
Still hopping mad at Vokes today - no way should he have took it - who decided that? He was barely warmed up been on the pitch only a few minutes. I though anyone but Vokes to smash it in and win the game. What role does the captain have to step in and hand the ball to someone - MacClean or Powell to start with then maybe Smith. What is it about Vokes that he thinks he is mentally ready at this point to take the kick - when he clearly wasn't - the guy's a fool to himself at best. Vokes standing there you could tell he wasn't up to it - all very well someone saying out of form striker - give him a go and build his confidence - but the moment in a key game was too important for that. Inevitably he fluffed it with a shot as weak as piss that the goalie easily read and barely had to move for. No sly technique - no power - no placement Baardiff's confidence goes sky high for the first time in the game and they go on to win as we fold. Nothing to do with MON this down to the players on the pitch. Three points completely thrown away injuries or no injuries I hope MON gives both barrels to Vokes and maybe Powell for giving him the ball and maybe Chester for not stepping up and sorting it out. Shambles You can't knock the guy for stepping up to take it and backing himself if nobody else fancied it. If that's the case it's entirely on the other candidates in the team to take it, most notably Powell. Different kettle of fish entirely if he somehow "pulled rank" and insisted on taking it. Or (maybe even worse) it was MON's decision.
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Post by superpej on Dec 9, 2020 17:36:27 GMT
If no one else fancied it we are in a poor way - I would have thought any player on the pitch with self confidence would want to win the game for Stoke. I mean all you need is technique and composure and you can get the technique if not the composure with practice so you get it right pretty much all the time e.g changing stride and getting the goalie to commit.
Personally I don't see why the captain shouldn't get involved and choosing who he thinks will deliver best out of those who are up for it. you can have your regular but personally I think it is in the moment and someone has to take responsibility for the team not just rely on whoever grabs the ball and backs himself - we saw what that led to.
Powell has the technique - McClean the commitment if not the best technique - I guess one or two others could have done a job
But oh it says something for the other guys on the pitch think that a person unsuited at the time is the one to do a job.
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Post by MilanStokie on Dec 9, 2020 17:37:32 GMT
I am one for giving players a bit if time, applying some patience but its ran out with Vokes. He is simply woeful and Pericard aside, I cannot think of a worse striker at Stoke in the last 25 years.
I'd honestly have Lightbourne and Carruthers starting (even if they're in their 50s!) over SV.
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Post by jukeboxjury on Dec 9, 2020 17:42:34 GMT
My ten pence worth.
Vokes has a good record in converting penalties, until he came to Stoke. He is struggling for form and his lack of game time has meant he’s in and out of the team which doesn’t help either in sharpness around the box or his obvious lack of confidence. I am not going to bad mouth him as hes a Stoke player and it serves very little purpose when some on here call him names. I hope he gets more game time with all these horrific injuries and he proves that he can score in this league like hes done throughout his career Giving him little game time is not going to help him in any way. After 55 years of watching Stoke, we’ve had a lot worse than him. Fingers crossed that we can get through this without it costing us at the end of the season
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 19:14:30 GMT
My ten pence worth. Vokes has a good record in converting penalties, until he came to Stoke. He is struggling for form and his lack of game time has meant he’s in and out of the team which doesn’t help either in sharpness around the box or his obvious lack of confidence. I am not going to bad mouth him as hes a Stoke player and it serves very little purpose when some on here call him names. I hope he gets more game time with all these horrific injuries and he proves that he can score in this league like hes done throughout his career Giving him little game time is not going to help him in any way. After 55 years of watching Stoke, we’ve had a lot worse than him. Fingers crossed that we can get through this without it costing us at the end of the season We may have had worse but I don't think we've ever had a slower player. As soon as he comes on the opposition play ten yards higher up the pitch and pin us back.
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Post by lordb on Dec 9, 2020 21:00:57 GMT
My ten pence worth. Vokes has a good record in converting penalties, until he came to Stoke. He is struggling for form and his lack of game time has meant he’s in and out of the team which doesn’t help either in sharpness around the box or his obvious lack of confidence. I am not going to bad mouth him as hes a Stoke player and it serves very little purpose when some on here call him names. I hope he gets more game time with all these horrific injuries and he proves that he can score in this league like hes done throughout his career Giving him little game time is not going to help him in any way. After 55 years of watching Stoke, we’ve had a lot worse than him. Fingers crossed that we can get through this without it costing us at the end of the season We may have had worse but I don't think we've ever had a slower player. As soon as he comes on the opposition play ten yards higher up the pitch and pin us back. Brian Rice, made Vokes look lightning ⚡
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Post by hughjarse on Dec 9, 2020 21:06:54 GMT
Had one thing going for it - it was on target.
1. Lacked power 2. Lacked accuracy (i,e, not into any corner) 3. Failed to hit it high or low - therefore nice height for keeper
Otherwise ok 👍
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 10, 2020 12:12:16 GMT
My ten pence worth. Vokes has a good record in converting penalties, until he came to Stoke. He is struggling for form and his lack of game time has meant he’s in and out of the team which doesn’t help either in sharpness around the box or his obvious lack of confidence. I am not going to bad mouth him as hes a Stoke player and it serves very little purpose when some on here call him names. I hope he gets more game time with all these horrific injuries and he proves that he can score in this league like hes done throughout his career Giving him little game time is not going to help him in any way. After 55 years of watching Stoke, we’ve had a lot worse than him. Fingers crossed that we can get through this without it costing us at the end of the season We may have had worse but I don't think we've ever had a slower player. As soon as he comes on the opposition play ten yards higher up the pitch and pin us back. This is a huge problem. It was so evident in the game on Tuesday. For all his critics Brown, simply did not allow this to happen. In fact, that was his main contribution to that game It was a monumental tactical error in the context of the game. Shifting Brown out of that position, and replacing him with Vokes changed the game for me There was no need to shift Brown. He should have brought on a player to replace Campbell not Brown (this was before Brown got injured) Vokes was chasing shadows and suddenly they were playing in our half for the first time in the game.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 10, 2020 12:13:47 GMT
Had one thing going for it - it was on target. 1. Lacked power 2. Lacked accuracy (i,e, not into any corner) 3. Failed to hit it high or low - therefore nice height for keeper Otherwise ok 👍 Well from his body language, you could is only priority was to just to get it on target, but that's not really good enough tbh There was no confidence in his body language at all.
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Post by spiderpuss on Dec 10, 2020 12:15:06 GMT
It wasn't the best for sure, my marks Sam, if you're reading:
10 points available Penalty on target (/2): 2 Ensured the keeper needed to make a save (/2): 2 Body trickery (/3): 1 Power (/3): 1
6/10 Satisfactory attempt, but savable, which it was.
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Post by scfcwebby on Dec 10, 2020 12:17:43 GMT
It wasn't the best for sure, my marks Sam, if you're reading: 10 points available Penalty on target (/2): 2 Ensured the keeper need to make a save (/2): 2 Body trickery (/3): 1 Power (/3): 1 6/10 Satisfactory attempt, but savable, which it was. You forgot the - before the 6 mate
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Post by jeycov on Dec 10, 2020 13:29:56 GMT
Several other opportunities to score during the game, not all down to Sam Move on, we’re probably going to need him especially in our next few games Good job there are no fans at the ground
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Post by spiderpuss on Dec 10, 2020 14:25:36 GMT
It wasn't the best for sure, my marks Sam, if you're reading: 10 points available Penalty on target (/2): 2 Ensured the keeper need to make a save (/2): 2 Body trickery (/3): 1 Power (/3): 1 6/10 Satisfactory attempt, but savable, which it was. You forgot the - before the 6 mate Don't be silly, that would be say the one Lookman took recently or the one Beckham took where he fell arse over tit.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 10, 2020 14:32:51 GMT
It wasn't a penalty anyway.
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Post by sd22 on Dec 10, 2020 19:02:57 GMT
Although I hate him, I’ll always say I love him for that goal last Boxing Day
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 10, 2020 19:19:48 GMT
It wasn't a penalty anyway. I think I agree. It seemed 'soft' as they say.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 10, 2020 19:38:57 GMT
On a scale of 1 (Not very good) to 10 (what the hell was that) it was a five.
A 10 inspires songs:
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 20:23:35 GMT
The penalty was awful but not as awful has his berahino / imbula / wimmer / Ince / vokes attitude of ....I am only here for the money ..and I am coining it ...and you are not ... don't care if I am unfit for a pro football match ...I am loaded ££££££
1 out of ten for the penalty Zero out of ten for his attitude
Minus 100 out of ten ,for the recruitment team that handed out millions of £s to the above and their agents.
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Post by Stoke711 on Dec 11, 2020 19:13:34 GMT
If the goalkeeper is off his line when he takes it, shouldn't the penalty be re-taken Both feet about 2 foot off the line. He'd hopped forward before the ball is kicked. He didn't need to mind as it was such a piss poor penno but in the Prem with VAR that's retaken. The Lino should have spotted it. Hey ho. He'd have only missed the re-taken pen.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 11, 2020 19:42:48 GMT
Both feet about 2 foot off the line. He'd hopped forward before the ball is kicked. He didn't need to mind as it was such a piss poor penno but in the Prem with VAR that's retaken. The Lino should have spotted it. Hey ho. He'd have only missed the re-taken pen. And when I typed it it got me thinking. Would he have had to have taken the retake or could someone else have taken it? I genuinely don't know.
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Post by Picasso on Dec 11, 2020 22:03:35 GMT
On the Chadwick-Higginbotham scale I’d say it was about a 5....... ... But it didn’t register on the Harper scale. 😯
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Post by Stoke711 on Dec 11, 2020 23:24:06 GMT
He'd have only missed the re-taken pen. And when I typed it it got me thinking. Would he have had to have taken the retake or could someone else have taken it? I genuinely don't know. I honestly think he'd retake it. I don't think he's the type to shy away from it. I dont really like him as a player but he has always struck me as someone who could miss 100 penalties in a row but he'd still want to take the next one.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2020 1:07:30 GMT
It wasn't a penalty anyway. I think I agree. It seemed 'soft' as they say. It was a foul all day long. Player comes across him, makes contact, no contact with the ball, foul. It was really stupid defending.
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