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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 8, 2020 22:27:25 GMT
When will people stop putting Verlinden in their teams, the manager clearly doesn't rate him, I am not sure when players are back he will be on the bench. The penalty would have killed them, it gave them belief and a lift. After that we simply ran out of steam...We have to be careful, the next 4 games are all tough, we could easily slip into mid table. we simply have to grind out results...somehow on limited resources.. O'Neill got it right with the starting 11 - we were in total control. Bringing Vokes on instead of the other 2 obvious options changed the game. There was a point in the 2nd half where they had a long throw, we cleared it but Morrison their centre half didn't bother running back because Vokes was the only player forward. They won another set piece from this - all because Vokes offers no real threat. But as you say, the next month is ridiculous when you're down to the bare bones...
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 8, 2020 22:27:50 GMT
I am really not sure how we contrived to lose that, not been mentioned, but I think we missed Baath, game was made for him. I think Chester got bullied tonight and looked very uncomfortable all night.
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 8, 2020 22:29:53 GMT
First paragraph mainly bollox. Second paragraph spot on! BM If the argument is about judgement playing Vokes suggests it isn’t all that though? 😂 He’s made a mistake, he’s entitled to make the odd mistake considering where he’s taken us from and to in the last 13 months! No fucker is perfect, not even you! BM
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 8, 2020 22:30:38 GMT
I am really not sure how we contrived to lose that, not been mentioned, but I think we missed Baath, game was made for him. I think Chester got bullied tonight and looked very uncomfortable all night. Same here mate I thought Chester had a shocker was second to everything and looked slow as piss.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 8, 2020 22:30:41 GMT
Squad still needs a lot of work before excitement can creep in
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 8, 2020 22:30:48 GMT
I am really not sure how we contrived to lose that, not been mentioned, but I think we missed Baath, game was made for him. I think Chester got bullied tonight and looked very uncomfortable all night. Chester got bullied🤣🤣He certainly didn’t
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 8, 2020 22:34:56 GMT
Reactionary. The penalty goes in and nothing gets said. It’s fine margins, and people being wise in hindsight. The penalty had already been missed when he made the Shawcross change hadn’t it? So as far as that one goes the penalty is neither here nor there. Vokes shouldn’t have been on the pitch to take the penalty. Your issue is that you feel compelled to defend the manager at all costs about everything all the time. Players need to take responsibility when they don’t do the basics. MON can’t take penalties and mark players for them. The manager is expecting an experienced international forward to take and score a penalty which almost certainly wins the game for us and puts us second.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:35:09 GMT
If the argument is about judgement playing Vokes suggests it isn’t all that though? 😂 He’s made a mistake, he’s entitled to make the odd mistake considering where he’s taken us from and to in the last 13 months! No fucker is perfect, not even you! BM Oh indeed but it’s a big mistake. Literally😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:37:31 GMT
I am really not sure how we contrived to lose that, not been mentioned, but I think we missed Baath, game was made for him. I think Chester got bullied tonight and looked very uncomfortable all night. Chester got bullied🤣🤣He certainly didn’t Yeah Chester was fine. He messed one header up that I can remember and that was early on. Bar that he wasn’t noticeable which is always good.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2020 22:38:32 GMT
The penalty had already been missed when he made the Shawcross change hadn’t it? So as far as that one goes the penalty is neither here nor there. Vokes shouldn’t have been on the pitch to take the penalty. Your issue is that you feel compelled to defend the manager at all costs about everything all the time. Players need to take responsibility when they don’t do the basics. MON can’t take penalties and mark players for them. The manager is expecting an experienced international forward to take and score a penalty which almost certainly wins the game for us and puts us second. Sorry, it can’t be down to him when we win and nothing to do with him when we lose. Vokes has missed more penalties for us than he’s scored but the real issue is he shouldn’t have come on because he wasn’t the right sub and he’s in wretched form. And again, even after that miss, the Shawcross sub was even more damaging in inviting them on and giving us nothing to come back at them with.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2020 22:38:58 GMT
Chester got bullied🤣🤣He certainly didn’t Yeah Chester was fine. He messed one header up that I can remember and that was early on. Bar that he wasn’t noticeable which is always good. He messed up a few times gave up on a ball he was favorite for etc, he had and awful first half.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 8, 2020 22:39:43 GMT
Chester got bullied🤣🤣He certainly didn’t Yeah Chester was fine. He messed one header up that I can remember and that was early on. Bar that he wasn’t noticeable which is always good. We were never ever in any danger is the most frustrating thing for me🙄The penalty goes in we win easily but the last half hour was shambolic
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 8, 2020 22:41:02 GMT
Yeah Chester was fine. He messed one header up that I can remember and that was early on. Bar that he wasn’t noticeable which is always good. He messed up a few times gave up on a ball he was favorite for etc, he had and awful first half. Utter rubbish
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Post by greenhoff on Dec 8, 2020 22:42:07 GMT
Yeah Chester was fine. He messed one header up that I can remember and that was early on. Bar that he wasn’t noticeable which is always good. We were never ever in any danger is the most frustrating thing for me🙄The penalty goes in we win easily but the last half hour was shambolic Pretty much spot on. The pen goes in then it's a standard two nil win.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 8, 2020 22:43:01 GMT
Players need to take responsibility when they don’t do the basics. MON can’t take penalties and mark players for them. The manager is expecting an experienced international forward to take and score a penalty which almost certainly wins the game for us and puts us second. Sorry, it can’t be down to him when we win and nothing to do with him when we lose. Vokes has missed more penalties for us than he’s scored but the real issue is he shouldn’t have come on because he wasn’t the right sub and he’s in wretched form. And again, even after that miss, the Shawcross sub was even more damaging in inviting them on and giving us nothing to come back at them with. We visibly wilted after the penalty miss and the equaliser. The Shawcross sub was an attempt to shut up shop and get a point, rightly or wrongly. Personally I would have settled for a draw at that stage.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2020 22:43:40 GMT
He messed up a few times gave up on a ball he was favorite for etc, he had and awful first half. Utter rubbish Fair enough, I thought he was poor, his first poor game since coming back into the team mind. As I said after the last game, he has looked better on the right side.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:43:59 GMT
Yeah Chester was fine. He messed one header up that I can remember and that was early on. Bar that he wasn’t noticeable which is always good. We were never ever in any danger is the most frustrating thing for me🙄The penalty goes in we win easily but the last half hour was shambolic Yup that’s why I’m so pissed off. It was about as easy as we’ve had it all season really. That’s why I don’t buy the injuries stuff. We were controlling the game with Cousins and Tymon in midfield. It was easy. The sub and the player bought on changed it all.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:45:06 GMT
Sorry, it can’t be down to him when we win and nothing to do with him when we lose. Vokes has missed more penalties for us than he’s scored but the real issue is he shouldn’t have come on because he wasn’t the right sub and he’s in wretched form. And again, even after that miss, the Shawcross sub was even more damaging in inviting them on and giving us nothing to come back at them with. We visibly wilted after the penalty miss and the equaliser. The Shawcross sub was an attempt to shut up shop and get a point, rightly or wrongly. Personally I would have settled for a draw at that stage. Why would anyone settle for a point at home? Don’t get that mentality at all.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 8, 2020 22:45:53 GMT
We were never ever in any danger is the most frustrating thing for me🙄The penalty goes in we win easily but the last half hour was shambolic Yup that’s why I’m so pissed off. It was about as easy as we’ve had it all season really. That’s why I don’t buy the injuries stuff. We were controlling the game with Cousins and Tymon in midfield. It was easy. The sub and the player bought on changed it all. Yes I don’t disagree at all but it still took two dreadful bits of defending from Collins and Powell for them to win,ghen no way back with the team out there on the pitch
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 8, 2020 22:46:33 GMT
One of the most frustrating games this season.
We completely imploded, what a throwaway.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2020 22:47:24 GMT
Sorry, it can’t be down to him when we win and nothing to do with him when we lose. Vokes has missed more penalties for us than he’s scored but the real issue is he shouldn’t have come on because he wasn’t the right sub and he’s in wretched form. And again, even after that miss, the Shawcross sub was even more damaging in inviting them on and giving us nothing to come back at them with. We visibly wilted after the penalty miss and the equaliser. The Shawcross sub was an attempt to shut up shop and get a point, rightly or wrongly. Personally I would have settled for a draw at that stage. There were 20 minutes left and it robbed us of an outlet to ease the pressure on us. So ‘wrongly’ is the option of the two there.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 8, 2020 22:48:14 GMT
We visibly wilted after the penalty miss and the equaliser. The Shawcross sub was an attempt to shut up shop and get a point, rightly or wrongly. Personally I would have settled for a draw at that stage. Why would anyone settle for a point at home? Don’t get that mentality at all. He definitely did that tonight in my opinion with that sub and I’d say the old Northern Ireland mentality was in evidence there. Like Werrington said earlier he’s done great for us and long may it continue but he got it wrong tonight with the subs
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 8, 2020 22:49:25 GMT
One of the most frustrating games this season. We completely imploded, what a throwaway. Yep, Cardiff were hopeless. We could have strolled to 3 points there
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 8, 2020 22:51:12 GMT
We visibly wilted after the penalty miss and the equaliser. The Shawcross sub was an attempt to shut up shop and get a point, rightly or wrongly. Personally I would have settled for a draw at that stage. Why would anyone settle for a point at home? Don’t get that mentality at all. Because it’s better than the no points we actually got. Everything went against us tonight, a draw, in the back of two wins wouldn’t have been a disaster at all.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:51:42 GMT
Yup that’s why I’m so pissed off. It was about as easy as we’ve had it all season really. That’s why I don’t buy the injuries stuff. We were controlling the game with Cousins and Tymon in midfield. It was easy. The sub and the player bought on changed it all. Yes I don’t disagree at all but it still took two dreadful bits of defending from Collins and Powell for them to win,ghen no way back with the team out there on the pitch Still immaterial if we score that penalty. Or just stick to what we were doing. We essentially swapped two players totally unnecessarily. Brown was being a pain in the arse centrally even if his touch was dogshit. We lost that and we obviously lost Campbell. Awful management cost us.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2020 22:52:38 GMT
We visibly wilted after the penalty miss and the equaliser. The Shawcross sub was an attempt to shut up shop and get a point, rightly or wrongly. Personally I would have settled for a draw at that stage. There were 20 minutes left and it robbed us of an outlet to ease the pressure on us. So ‘wrongly’ is the option of the two there. We’ll never know what the outcome would have been if he’d taken a different option though. That’s the difference when you’re a manager compared to a fan on an Internet forum I guess. One lives and dies by his decisions, the other tells him/herself it would have worked out better if the manager had done it their way......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:52:54 GMT
Why would anyone settle for a point at home? Don’t get that mentality at all. Because it’s better than the no points we actually got. Everything went against us tonight, a draw, in the back of two wins wouldn’t have been a disaster at all. But the old going negative act usually ends in tears. We getting at them with our trickiest and fastest player so we bought Vokes on. Mad.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 8, 2020 22:53:27 GMT
We visibly wilted after the penalty miss and the equaliser. The Shawcross sub was an attempt to shut up shop and get a point, rightly or wrongly. Personally I would have settled for a draw at that stage. There were 20 minutes left and it robbed us of an outlet to ease the pressure on us. So ‘wrongly’ is the option of the two there. Robbed us of what outlet sorry? Brown was very clearly injured?
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 8, 2020 22:55:36 GMT
Because it’s better than the no points we actually got. Everything went against us tonight, a draw, in the back of two wins wouldn’t have been a disaster at all. But the old going negative act usually ends in tears. We getting at them with our trickiest and fastest player so we bought Vokes on. Mad. We always sit back. Occasionally it bites you in the arse. We had nothing left in the tank, players were going down injured left right and centre and our bench options are questionable to say the least. I would have settled for a draw today.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:58:01 GMT
But the old going negative act usually ends in tears. We getting at them with our trickiest and fastest player so we bought Vokes on. Mad. We always sit back. Occasionally it bites you in the arse. We had nothing left in the tank, players were going down injured left right and centre and our bench options are questionable to say the least. I would have settled for a draw today. It was about the easiest game we’ve had all season. And the options on the bench were fine bar the one he picked. Literally the last one I’d have picked.
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