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Post by mcw on Dec 8, 2020 22:01:13 GMT
Yep, thought today may be a game too far with all the injuries. That being said we were still combative and was such a frustrating way to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory in such a miserable way. But what the hell has happened to Vokes, I honestly thought he may be a good addition when we signed him. If he touched the ball once to miss the penalty in 35 mins that was it. He didn’t even win a single flick on, didn’t hold the ball up and moves at the pace of a snail. Incredibly easy to mark and has no speed of thought at all. Christ he should never play again.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2020 22:01:32 GMT
The injuries didn't help but its the subs that killed us. Here’s me thinking it was the penalty miss. “The injuries didn’t help” is an understatement..... Okay I'll rephrase, The injuries and the subs killed us. Nah peno misses happen its what happened after that was a bigger problem.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 8, 2020 22:01:34 GMT
When will people stop putting Verlinden in their teams, the manager clearly doesn't rate him, I am not sure when players are back he will be on the bench. The penalty would have killed them, it gave them belief and a lift. After that we simply ran out of steam...We have to be careful, the next 4 games are all tough, we could easily slip into mid table. we simply have to grind out results...somehow on limited resources..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:04:35 GMT
In no way is it. It was the sub that made sense. Vokes didn’t. And then why the hell is he taking a penalty? Awful management. Negative shite. It’s MON’s biggest problem. The underdog mentality. He has to shake it. It’s not the manager who misses a penalty, that was Vokes. It’s not the manager who misjudged the cross for their first, that was Collins. It’s also not the manager who didn’t pick up the lad from a corner for the winning goal. Players have to take responsibility at some stage. The bloke watching on the sidelines can’t do it for them. He shouldn’t have been on and he shouldn’t be taking penalties. That is on the manager. Why did he take it? The bloke on the sideline shat his pants today and that is what cost us sadly. And it was such an easy game until Vokes. That’s why it’s so disappointing. The easiness and the player that caused it, no one else bar the odd mentaller would have touched with a shitty stick.
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Post by klingon on Dec 8, 2020 22:09:50 GMT
Injuries are killing us but that should have been three points. The manger handed it to them on a plate. That's Christianity for ya!
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 8, 2020 22:10:06 GMT
It’s not the manager who misses a penalty, that was Vokes. It’s not the manager who misjudged the cross for their first, that was Collins. It’s also not the manager who didn’t pick up the lad from a corner for the winning goal. Players have to take responsibility at some stage. The bloke watching on the sidelines can’t do it for them. He shouldn’t have been on and he shouldn’t be taking penalties. That is on the manager. Why did he take it? The bloke on the sideline shat his pants today and that is what cost us sadly. And it was such an easy game until Vokes. That’s why it’s so disappointing. The easiness and the player that caused it, no one else bar the odd mentaller would have touched with a shitty stick. A lack of options. Made sense to me and I can’t stand Vokes. If he scores the penalty the critique simply doesn’t happen. Fine margins.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:11:16 GMT
He shouldn’t have been on and he shouldn’t be taking penalties. That is on the manager. Why did he take it? The bloke on the sideline shat his pants today and that is what cost us sadly. And it was such an easy game until Vokes. That’s why it’s so disappointing. The easiness and the player that caused it, no one else bar the odd mentaller would have touched with a shitty stick. A lack of options. Made sense to me and I can’t stand Vokes. If he scores the penalty the critique simply doesn’t happen. Fine margins. There were two better options that made way more sense. He did and that’s the third from four he’s missed. So I’ll ask again, why’s he taking a penalty?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 22:12:51 GMT
I completely get that we've got 10 players or whatever out injured. If we'd even have got a point tonight I'd have been satisfied. Our injury toll is showing on the pitch & across all positions.
But tonight, we've just shit the bed. You've got to help yourselves, sometimes, and jesus, did we fuck it up tonight. The Vokes sub was the beginning of the end. That's not particularly knocking the player (who is beyond wank) - the writing was on the wall, from the minute he picked up the ball for the penalty.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 8, 2020 22:13:42 GMT
A lack of options. Made sense to me and I can’t stand Vokes. If he scores the penalty the critique simply doesn’t happen. Fine margins. There were two better options that made way more sense. He did and that’s the third from four he’s missed. So I’ll ask again, why’s he taking a penalty? Ince and Verlinden aren’t options. One is plain and simple dog shit and the other is a lightweight kid coming back from injury. Neither were serious options to come on. He’s an experienced international footballer (Vokes) and he’s let us down badly. Not just the pen but also his general performance.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2020 22:14:25 GMT
A lack of options. Made sense to me and I can’t stand Vokes. If he scores the penalty the critique simply doesn’t happen. Fine margins. There were two better options that made way more sense. He did and that’s the third from four he’s missed. So I’ll ask again, why’s he taking a penalty? Ince isn’t a better option. He’s no option. He’s the last person to be picked in the school yard, a busted flush......
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 8, 2020 22:15:43 GMT
There were two better options that made way more sense. He did and that’s the third from four he’s missed. So I’ll ask again, why’s he taking a penalty? Ince and Verlinden aren’t options. One is plain and simple dog shit and the other is a lightweight kid coming back from injury. Neither were serious options to come on. He’s an experienced international footballer (Vokes) and he’s let us down badly. Not just the pen but also his general performance. Vokes has been rubbish and hasn't had a decent game for us. Why not just make a like for like sub Ince for Campbell without disrupting the flow of the game.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 8, 2020 22:16:36 GMT
Ince and Verlinden aren’t options. One is plain and simple dog shit and the other is a lightweight kid coming back from injury. Neither were serious options to come on. He’s an experienced international footballer (Vokes) and he’s let us down badly. Not just the pen but also his general performance. Vokes has been rubbish and hasn't had a decent game for us. Why not just make a like for like sub Ince for Campbell without disrupting the flow of the game. Because Ince is, in his own way, equally as shit as Vokes is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:17:41 GMT
There were two better options that made way more sense. He did and that’s the third from four he’s missed. So I’ll ask again, why’s he taking a penalty? Ince and Verlinden aren’t options. One is plain and simple dog shit and the other is a lightweight kid coming back from injury. Neither were serious options to come on. He’s an experienced international footballer (Vokes) and he’s let us down badly. Not just the pen but also his general performance. Yes they are and if they aren’t the manager is a bit silly. They were the only options. He’s a useless good for nothing. Up there with the very worst in the last 4 years. He should never play for us again.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2020 22:20:04 GMT
In no way is it. It was the sub that made sense. Vokes didn’t. And then why the hell is he taking a penalty? Awful management. Negative shite. It’s MON’s biggest problem. The underdog mentality. He has to shake it. It’s not the manager who misses a penalty, that was Vokes. It’s not the manager who misjudged the cross for their first, that was Collins. It’s also not the manager who didn’t pick up the lad from a corner for the winning goal. Players have to take responsibility at some stage. The bloke watching on the sidelines can’t do it for them. No but it is the manager who brings on the bloke that misses the penalty despite him being useless every time he’s picked. It is the manager who replaced a centre forward with a centre back, condemning us to a doomed rearguard action with no outlet with 20 minutes to go. The tune MON has got out of this bare bones squad over the last month or so is magnificent. He’ll get us playing again soon enough I’m sure. He got it wrong tonight and he, as well as the players you rightly mention, has to take a share of the blame as well.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 8, 2020 22:20:13 GMT
Ince and Verlinden aren’t options. One is plain and simple dog shit and the other is a lightweight kid coming back from injury. Neither were serious options to come on. He’s an experienced international footballer (Vokes) and he’s let us down badly. Not just the pen but also his general performance. Yes they are and if they aren’t the manager is a bit silly. They were the only options. He’s a useless good for nothing. Up there with the very worst in the last 4 years. He should never play for us again. No argument from me, I’ve said it right from the start. Problem is he’s probably the only “fit” forward player currently available to play on Saturday.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2020 22:20:44 GMT
There were two better options that made way more sense. He did and that’s the third from four he’s missed. So I’ll ask again, why’s he taking a penalty? Ince and Verlinden aren’t options. One is plain and simple dog shit and the other is a lightweight kid coming back from injury. Neither were serious options to come on. He’s an experienced international footballer (Vokes) and he’s let us down badly. Not just the pen but also his general performance. Ince is an experienced Champ player that has scored plenty, if he's not an option then niether is Vokes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:21:24 GMT
Yes they are and if they aren’t the manager is a bit silly. They were the only options. He’s a useless good for nothing. Up there with the very worst in the last 4 years. He should never play for us again. No argument from me, I’ve said it right from the start. Problem is he’s probably the only “fit” forward player currently available to play on Saturday. And I honestly wouldn’t play him. Stick Ryan up top tbh.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 8, 2020 22:21:31 GMT
Brown down the middle - doing a good job from a team perspective. He works hard and causes problems that allows us to get the ball in the opponents half.
Problem being now if Campbell injury is serious then Powell is the only goal threat we have currently.
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Post by BristolMick on Dec 8, 2020 22:21:49 GMT
The problem is you continue to see Ince as an option, when the man who sees him week in week out in training has deemed him surplus to requirements in an injury ravaged team..... And that man plays Vokes. His judgement isn’t all that. Verlinden was the option. Not bringing him on was absolute lunacy. Awful from MON tonight and the loss is on him. First paragraph mainly bollox. Second paragraph spot on! BM
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 8, 2020 22:22:20 GMT
Brown down the middle - doing a good job from a team perspective. He works hard and causes problems that allows us to get the ball in the opponents half. Problem being now if Campbell injury is serious then Powell is the only goal threat we have currently. Injured!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2020 22:22:32 GMT
Yes they are and if they aren’t the manager is a bit silly. They were the only options. He’s a useless good for nothing. Up there with the very worst in the last 4 years. He should never play for us again. No argument from me, I’ve said it right from the start. Problem is he’s probably the only “fit” forward player currently available to play on Saturday. Time for Powell up top. Well that was tonight but it will only be one game late.
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Post by tuum on Dec 8, 2020 22:22:57 GMT
I hope our Manager goes straight for McLean in the dressing room after the game, imagine knowing we have a long list of injuries and then getting yourself a suspension with a stupid and pointless yellow card. A great opportunity to throw Verlinden on. Tell him to take his man on, get to the by-line and supply crosses in front of Vokes for him to power home. 3 goals for Vokes on Sat..all assisted by Verlinden. If Carlsberg did tactics...etc,etc!
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 8, 2020 22:23:18 GMT
It’s not the manager who misses a penalty, that was Vokes. It’s not the manager who misjudged the cross for their first, that was Collins. It’s also not the manager who didn’t pick up the lad from a corner for the winning goal. Players have to take responsibility at some stage. The bloke watching on the sidelines can’t do it for them. No but it is the manager who brings on the bloke that misses the penalty despite him being useless every time he’s picked. It is the manager who replaced a centre forward with a centre back, condemning us to a doomed rearguard action with no outlet with 20 minutes to go. The tune MON has got out of this bare bones squad over the last month or so is magnificent. He’ll get us playing again soon enough I’m sure. He got it wrong tonight and he, as well as the players you rightly mention, has to take a share of the blame as well. Reactionary. The penalty goes in and nothing gets said. It’s fine margins, and people being wise in hindsight.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2020 22:23:57 GMT
I hope our Manager goes straight for McLean in the dressing room after the game, imagine knowing we have a long list of injuries and then getting yourself a suspension with a stupid and pointless yellow card. A great opportunity to throw Verlinden on. Tell him to take his man on, get to the by-line and supply crosses in front of Vokes for him to power home. 3 goals for Vokes on Sat..all assisted by Verlinden. If Carlsberg did tactics...etc,etc! Too attacking for MON
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 8, 2020 22:24:00 GMT
Vokes has been rubbish and hasn't had a decent game for us. Why not just make a like for like sub Ince for Campbell without disrupting the flow of the game. Because Ince is, in his own way, equally as shit as Vokes is. Nah, even Ince isn't as shit as Vokes. Vokes offers nothing at all, like I say a like for like sub was the way to go for minimal disruption in a game in which we were coasting.
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Post by Ron on Dec 8, 2020 22:24:26 GMT
Calm down everybody, the competition doesn't get serious till February/March. Once again the old players let us down and the young players gave their all. Too many slagging off Brown. I'd prefer him every time to Vokes, Ince, and "I like sitting down" Powell. Powell is our most important player. Brown couldn’t lace his boots. Brown is a runner. Nothing more.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2020 22:25:33 GMT
A lack of options. Made sense to me and I can’t stand Vokes. If he scores the penalty the critique simply doesn’t happen. Fine margins. There were two better options that made way more sense. He did and that’s the third from four he’s missed. So I’ll ask again, why’s he taking a penalty? 3rd from 4? It's 3 misses from 3 isn't it? Hull, Crawley and tonight?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:25:47 GMT
And that man plays Vokes. His judgement isn’t all that. Verlinden was the option. Not bringing him on was absolute lunacy. Awful from MON tonight and the loss is on him. First paragraph mainly bollox. Second paragraph spot on! BM If the argument is about judgement playing Vokes suggests it isn’t all that though? 😂
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2020 22:26:03 GMT
No but it is the manager who brings on the bloke that misses the penalty despite him being useless every time he’s picked. It is the manager who replaced a centre forward with a centre back, condemning us to a doomed rearguard action with no outlet with 20 minutes to go. The tune MON has got out of this bare bones squad over the last month or so is magnificent. He’ll get us playing again soon enough I’m sure. He got it wrong tonight and he, as well as the players you rightly mention, has to take a share of the blame as well. Reactionary. The penalty goes in and nothing gets said. It’s fine margins, and people being wise in hindsight. The penalty had already been missed when he made the Shawcross change hadn’t it? So as far as that one goes the penalty is neither here nor there. Vokes shouldn’t have been on the pitch to take the penalty. Your issue is that you feel compelled to defend the manager at all costs about everything all the time.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2020 22:26:28 GMT
Because Ince is, in his own way, equally as shit as Vokes is. Nah, even Ince isn't as shit as Vokes. Vokes offers nothing at all, like I say a luke for like sub was the way to go for minimal disruption in a game in which we were coasting. Ince offers nothing. Not a thing. People need to get the Tom Ince of Derby County cutting in from the right and curling one in the top corner out of their heads. This fraud is a shadow of that, he will be gone to whoever is stupid enough to offer any kind of percentage of his wage in January......
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