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Post by wearestoke80 on Dec 9, 2020 9:54:56 GMT
It definitely seems like a storm in a tea cup. Mountain out of a mole hill
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 9, 2020 9:59:19 GMT
Anyone actually know what was said? By whom to whom and it what circumstances? It seems he told the ref he needed to send off one of the istanbul coaches, ref said which one he said the black one with the romanian word for black being negru which does obviously sound like the n word. OK I’ve just read the Sky and BBC reports on it. Seems nothing racist was said but they all walked off anyway. Presumably there were no points at stake in this game.
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Post by lstokie on Dec 9, 2020 10:12:34 GMT
If only they had some kind of unique digit on their kit to identify them instead 🤷♂️ Exactly. I presume linesmen are trained in number recognition. Coaching staff have numbers on their kit?
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Post by sd22 on Dec 9, 2020 10:16:12 GMT
I saw a french video last night with the assistant manger going off on one saying to the 4th official ‘why did you say n****?’ Maybe more that what is reported possibly? Although language barriers could play a part?
I’m sure that the assistant manager will have his red rescinded and rightly so.
Racism has no place in the world. My dad has experienced, recently, racist abuse in Nigeria as a white man. It’s not BAME specific it’s minority ethnic specific.
Equality is the global goal, I support the people taking any action to tackle racism, whether this be taking a knee, or protesting. It’s not just about black rights, it’s about equality, as even some white people get racial abused in the UK also, just because they may speak with an accent.
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Post by claymore on Dec 9, 2020 10:45:26 GMT
It seems he told the ref he needed to send off one of the istanbul coaches, ref said which one he said the black one with the romanian word for black being negru which does obviously sound like the n word. OK I’ve just read the Sky and BBC reports on it. Seems nothing racist was said but they all walked off anyway. Presumably there were no points at stake in this game. Storm in a teacup, nothing to see here just more virtue signalling snowflakes, it's getting really boring now, and sucking the life out of what should be a pleasurable experience, no wonder people are turning their backs on the game they once loved, I know for certain after 45 years this weekend since my first game that I'm beginning to really not care any more.
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Post by noustie on Dec 9, 2020 11:01:57 GMT
The worry here is it has the opposite effect than it’s trying to achieve as the bar seems set pretty low.
You’d hope the 4th official could at least show enough respect to recognise a fella who has 60 caps for his country and played at a World Cup. However, it looks more like potentially a case of language rather than malice where ‘negru’ being the Romanian for black and if you can’t use colour to differentiate when purely in a descriptive context then ‘Guess Who’ this Christmas has turned into an absolute fucking minefield – it would also probably make identifying the one I’d shag first in Eternal back in 90’s an issue too. It’s different from Suarez where he was playing long- term in England where the word was used and the connotations of it are unacceptable. The solution seems pretty easy – get the officials to learn the names of the main members of the backroom staff before a game rather than have to play a politically correct game of Guess Who.
It has completely taken the focus off the real story of Milwall who had a half arsed banner; a letter arguably more concerned with their reputation than racism and; a CEO who didn’t even commit to it. The results being their own team refrained from taking the knee with a couple of the black players making fairly pathetic raised fist gestures that were down as quickly as they were up and got clapped for it! On the other side is Les Ferdinand’s team who had stopped taking the knee because it had lost impact and was turning into jingoism – to a man they knelt and that’s the story that should be being told not whether some obscure 4th official in a effectively a bounce game failed to read the room when using his language’s own word for black.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 9, 2020 11:09:56 GMT
OK I’ve just read the Sky and BBC reports on it. Seems nothing racist was said but they all walked off anyway. Presumably there were no points at stake in this game. Storm in a teacup, nothing to see here just more virtue signalling snowflakes, it's getting really boring now, and sucking the life out of what should be a pleasurable experience, no wonder people are turning their backs on the game they once loved, I know for certain after 45 years this weekend since my first game that I'm beginning to really not care any more. Yep, epitomised by the totally unfunny Vicar of Dibley virtue signalling that even the most sterile anorak would find cringeworthy and unnecessary. This politicising of everything at the moment is pushing more and more people away from the original message. History tells us that identity politics is an absolute disaster so why continue with it? Anyway I digress. So to conclude - two incredibly diverse elite football teams made up largely of a bunch of highly paid elite millionaires decided to walk off the pitch because the 4th official referred to one of the players as black? If that isn't completely absurd then I don't know what is. A bunch of ex black players like John Barnes have already come out in support of the Romanian official and highlighted the absurdity of the situation so I'm not quite sure what there is to see here.
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Post by flea79 on Dec 9, 2020 11:58:25 GMT
Storm in a teacup, nothing to see here just more virtue signalling snowflakes, it's getting really boring now, and sucking the life out of what should be a pleasurable experience, no wonder people are turning their backs on the game they once loved, I know for certain after 45 years this weekend since my first game that I'm beginning to really not care any more. Yep, epitomised by the totally unfunny Vicar of Dibley virtue signalling that even the most sterile anorak would find cringeworthy and unnecessary. This politicising of everything at the moment is pushing more and more people away from the original message. History tells us that identity politics is an absolute disaster so why continue with it? Anyway I digress. So to conclude - two incredibly diverse elite football teams made up largely of a bunch of highly paid elite millionaires decided to walk off the pitch because the 4th official referred to one of the players as black? If that isn't completely absurd then I don't know what is. A bunch of ex black players like John Barnes have already come out in support of the Romanian official and highlighted the absurdity of the situation so I'm not quite sure what there is to see here. has Jesse Jackson been informed and forgiven the 4th official yet?
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Post by Dr Hesham on Dec 9, 2020 14:36:18 GMT
As a non white person, I will not feel annoyed if someone who doesn't know my name called me the "black guy" especially when he has a language barrier problem, being black is not something shameful, racism happens everyday and everywhere and we have to stand together against racism but oversensitivity is not the way to stand against racism. We are not sure yet about what exactly he said, but according to initial reports he said "the black guy" and English is not his primary language. If he said "negro" so it is a different story and yes it is pure racism. Seriously..if two people one white and one black were coming towards you one with a baseball bat in hand ...and I said to you which one is carrying the bat ..without pointing what would your answer be ..... mine would be either the white bloke or the black bloke ....am I racist for saying that No, you are not racist saying that from my point of view, and I will not be annoyed if I am the black bloke.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 9, 2020 14:42:31 GMT
I saw a french video last night with the assistant manger going off on one saying to the 4th official ‘why did you say n****?’ Maybe more that what is reported possibly? Although language barriers could play a part? I’m sure that the assistant manager will have his red rescinded and rightly so. Racism has no place in the world. My dad has experienced, recently, racist abuse in Nigeria as a white man. It’s not BAME specific it’s minority ethnic specific. Equality is the global goal, I support the people taking any action to tackle racism, whether this be taking a knee, or protesting. It’s not just about black rights, it’s about equality, as even some white people get racial abused in the UK also, just because they may speak with an accent. I also saw a video of Demba Ba getting in the fourth officials face and saying (words to the effect of) "why did you call him black?". So who knows.
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Post by skip on Dec 9, 2020 15:54:53 GMT
One would suggest that names and numbers are the primary differentiating factor in footballers. Skin tone is a remarkably crude way to describe a player.
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Post by lordb on Dec 9, 2020 17:11:15 GMT
One would suggest that names and numbers are the primary differentiating factor in footballers. Skin tone is a remarkably crude way to describe a player. good point refs are instructed to call/refer players by number
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 9, 2020 17:27:38 GMT
It was the assistant not a player.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 9, 2020 17:45:11 GMT
This walk off will do more to force football to actually do somthing than taking a knee will
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Dec 9, 2020 18:21:27 GMT
Couple of points: apparently the Romanians were being referred to as gypsies throughout, which if true is more offensive than the main incident.
Second: if you need to quickly identify someone in a crowd, physical attributes are the only thing you have to use. If it were a job interview and the group had all spoken you could distinguish in a more personal way.
It is tactless and someone has a right to tell them so in an official capacity, but walking off the pitch is just a ridiculous over reaction in my opinion.
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Post by callas12 on Dec 9, 2020 18:26:11 GMT
Demba Ba must be past it by now at 35 and playing in Turkey the graveyard for has been players. Still going strong on that unexploded knee issue 🙄🤣!
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Post by swampmongrel on Dec 9, 2020 18:29:28 GMT
Demba Ba must be past it by now at 35 and playing in Turkey the graveyard for has been players. Still going strong on that unexploded knee issue 🙄🤣! Does Demba ‘take the knee’? He wants to be careful. He might never get up again if he does!
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Post by Timmypotter on Dec 9, 2020 19:31:19 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 9, 2020 19:40:10 GMT
Can anyone genuinly say that this sort of reaction is the way forward and it will stop racism? The people that are racist won’t change there views based on reactions like this all it does is makes those involved look like they’re over reacting and fuels the far right.
There are far better cases that need highlighting like the incidents that go on regularly in Eastern Europe where there is a real issue and where things really need to change.
Walking off when incidents like this occur will only dilute the impact of the more serious incidents.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Dec 9, 2020 21:03:06 GMT
Still going strong on that unexploded knee issue 🙄🤣! Does Demba ‘take the knee’? He wants to be careful. He might never get up again if he does! Any time now, it's ready pop.
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Post by werrington on Dec 10, 2020 16:49:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 17:05:54 GMT
Oh Fair enough sorry. I'm not sure saying the black guy is a good way of pointing someone else out myself, maybe at a stretch if he was the only black person on the pitch, can't say I'd be particually comfortable if I heard it. I probably isn’t the best way to describe someone, but because he has done it doesn’t mean he’s racist. However if the N word was used then that is most definitely racist and the game was rightfully called off. N wEhat N word was used ? The Spanish word for black or the other one? moreno is used to describe Latin features in Spanish ...is that racist? Utter nonsense. Is thousands of years of a language upsetting some now ?? Asians have words for white people....should we be offended?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 19:09:14 GMT
Totally out of order John Barnes getting social media abuse or even carefully worded putting down ( as in today's The Sun ) for his comments on this
Today's The Sun page 56/7..
' Barnes argued that Coltescu was merely attempting to indentify Webo and would have done the same had the culprit been the only white coach in Basaksehir's staff ...yet there is a widespread desire for zero tolerance on the issue ..so Barnes ,might in hindsight , have felt this an argument not worth making '
I have never read such nonsense in The Sun and I have read a lot of nonsense in The Sun .
Just because Barnes is black, does not mean he has to go round screaming abuse in someone's face ,Demba Ba style , as a reflex action on any matter to do with race .
He is quite entitled to have his own opinion independent of Demba Ba and the BLM movement and shame on The Sun for using the power of the press to try and steam roller him into having the Demba Ba / BLM opinion on this issue .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 19:23:02 GMT
Saw The Dambusters on film 4 recently , and someone has edited out the name of Wing Commander Guy Gibson's dog .
This is outrageously disrespectful to the legacy of the man .
He must be( rightly) one of the most decorated anti racists in history and risked his own life, and that of his colleagues, to defeat the ultra racist Third Reich countless times, in a lifetime of jaw dropping bravery .
To even suggest he was in any way racist is abhorrent .He and his colleagues fought to the death to defeat racism .
Editing history , telling people what they can or cannot say , reached its peak with the Nazi party . Nobody did it better than the Nazi's and it should stay in old WW2 history.
Not be resurrected by Film4 ,The Sun/ BLM/ footballers etc etc
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 10, 2020 19:23:04 GMT
The whole incident appears to have been blown out of proportion by the Turkish sides staff and as always rather than report it factual it they make Ba into a hero when it appears he and his staff were more racist than the 4th official who they want banning for life. I like Barnes not the best manager but someone who genuinly received a lot of racism in his career good for him having his own opinion and being his own man rather than jumping on the bandwagon.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 10, 2020 19:23:51 GMT
Saw The Dambusters on film 4 recently , and someone has edited out the name of Wing Commander Guy Gibson's dog . This is outrageously disrespectful to the legacy of the man . He must be( rightly) one of the most decorated anti racists in history and risked his own life, and that of his colleagues, to defeat the ultra racist Third Reich countless times, in a lifetime of jaw dropping bravery . To even suggest he was in any way racist is abhorrent .He and his colleagues fought to the death to defeat racism . Editing history , telling people what they can or cannot say , reached its peak with the Nazi party . Nobody did it better than the Nazi's and it should stay in old WW2 history. Not be resurrected by The Sun/ BLM/ footballers etc etc Well said
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 10, 2020 20:03:19 GMT
Fascinating stuff mate. Why does one suspect the likes of sky and the bbc might not make a big deal out of this? Calling a Romanian a gypsy is comfortably as racist as anything the official said.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 20:13:00 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 10, 2020 20:36:38 GMT
I don't think it's a coincidence that rugby and cricket (those involved earn a fraction of what those in football earn) have sacked this nonsense off. Your average county cricketer earns between 50 and 100k a year. Your average Premier league footballer earns what a cricketer earns in a year in a week, hence the county cricketer is far closer to what can only be described as a normal, down to earth bloke. Thus I guess they don't really have much time or respect for woke bullshit propped up by a bunch of billionaire corporate wankers. They don't have to worry about their multi million pound contracts and Instagram image getting fucked up by the cancel culture mob if they refuse taking a knee 😊
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Post by Dr Hesham on Dec 11, 2020 8:02:37 GMT
Can anyone genuinly say that this sort of reaction is the way forward and it will stop racism? The people that are racist won’t change there views based on reactions like this all it does is makes those involved look like they’re over reacting and fuels the far right. There are far better cases that need highlighting like the incidents that go on regularly in Eastern Europe where there is a real issue and where things really need to change. Walking off when incidents like this occur will only dilute the impact of the more serious incidents. Well said .. oversensitivity does more harm than good in such incidents.
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