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Post by tcdobinghoff on Dec 6, 2020 15:24:39 GMT
Will this racist label be applied to any player who doesn't take the knee ? I thought they had a choice or is it mandatory now what happened to freedom of choice free speech that we use to have in the UK, it seems that if you don't tow the woke line you are immediately condemned as a racist/bigot/gammon/homophobe/Islamaphobe it's pathetic can people not see we are being brainwashed. This "towing the line" mentality to avoid being "outed" as a "racist", "bigot", "tory", "homophobe", "leaver" etc is exactly the situation that the elite and the luvvies want - ie scared to express an opinion that is not their "norm". It is also exactly this mindset (or more likely lack of understanding of the working classes/lower middle classes) and attempt to "quieten" unbelievers which resulted in their shock at the loss of the Brexit vote and victory for the Tories - same can be said for Donald Trump's win to become president in 2016. It's called the silent majority Or, as you say, labelling people who express concern or empathy with a social situation they find unacceptable “elite” or “luvvie” because it’s not your “norm” . By the way Trump did not get a majority in 2016 or 2020. Nor did the Tories in the last election.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2020 15:26:05 GMT
Haven't we had annual kick it out game days for a few years ?
Don't recall Millwall supporters taking issue with those would have thought if they were the full on far right supporters some claim they would have been similar reactions. Still a pretty dumb move by their fans, nice easy target for the FA to make an example of.
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Post by lee1982 on Dec 6, 2020 15:26:10 GMT
Snowflakes are an odd bunch they seem to take offence at anything and everything, and in most cases take something more offensively than someone who might have genuine reason to. The point being that many of the people on the right crying about 'snowflakes' are themselves easily riled and offended by the mildest of things. Im neither right nor left, straight down the middle me able to see and appreciate views from all partys. Not everthing is left or right, black and white etc etc. There is room in society to be more than just this or that. I can have views that differ from someone else without them labelling or stereotyping me. Whats needed is more conversation not name calling.
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Post by lee1982 on Dec 6, 2020 15:28:17 GMT
Snowflakes are an odd bunch they seem to take offence at anything and everything, and in most cases take something more offensively than someone who might have genuine reason to. Yeah, spot on, Lee. Get this, right, theres a bunch of snowflakes who are actually upset about kneeling for racial equality!! I mean, why do they offence at anything and everything? Take at look at this guy: I’ll give you an example that i know of, so i read recently that football commentators had been advised not to describe black players as quick or powerful, for fear of stereotyping and creating a racial profile. Im sorry but this is just absurd and it is a result of everything else that is going on around it. I mean, what a snowflake, eh? Why does he take offence at anything and everything? He has no genuine reason to be upset about the commentator not saying something offensive. At least me and you see who the real snowflakes are, eh, Lee? That would be true if i was offended by it. Thinking something is ridiculous and calling for common sense to applied doesnt mean ive been offended. Takes a hell of a lot for me to feel offended.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 6, 2020 15:28:27 GMT
This "towing the line" mentality to avoid being "outed" as a "racist", "bigot", "tory", "homophobe", "leaver" etc is exactly the situation that the elite and the luvvies want - ie scared to express an opinion that is not their "norm". It is also exactly this mindset (or more likely lack of understanding of the working classes/lower middle classes) and attempt to "quieten" unbelievers which resulted in their shock at the loss of the Brexit vote and victory for the Tories - same can be said for Donald Trump's win to become president in 2016. It's called the silent majority Or, as you say, labelling people who express concern or empathy with a social situation they find unacceptable “elite” or “luvvie” because it’s not your “norm” . By the way Trump did not get a majority in 2016 or 2020. Nor did the Tories in the last election. Brexit got a majority
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 6, 2020 15:34:03 GMT
Yeah, spot on, Lee. Get this, right, theres a bunch of snowflakes who are actually upset about kneeling for racial equality!! I mean, why do they offence at anything and everything? Take at look at this guy: I mean, what a snowflake, eh? Why does he take offence at anything and everything? He has no genuine reason to be upset about the commentator not saying something offensive. At least me and you see who the real snowflakes are, eh, Lee? That would be true if i was offended by it. Thinking something is ridiculous and calling for common sense to applied doesnt mean ive been offended. Takes a hell of a lot for me to feel offended. So how can you assume others are offended by something they don't agree with? They also don't agree with something, yet you resort to name calling by labelling them Snowflakes just because its something you don't agree with. I'm not offended by Millwall fans booing, I just think it is wrong. I'm not offended by being called a Snowflake either, it just makes me think that the person using it is struggling to make a coherent argument.
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 6, 2020 15:43:41 GMT
This "towing the line" mentality to avoid being "outed" as a "racist", "bigot", "tory", "homophobe", "leaver" etc is exactly the situation that the elite and the luvvies want - ie scared to express an opinion that is not their "norm". It is also exactly this mindset (or more likely lack of understanding of the working classes/lower middle classes) and attempt to "quieten" unbelievers which resulted in their shock at the loss of the Brexit vote and victory for the Tories - same can be said for Donald Trump's win to become president in 2016. It's called the silent majority Or, as you say, labelling people who express concern or empathy with a social situation they find unacceptable “elite” or “luvvie” because it’s not your “norm” . By the way Trump did not get a majority in 2016 or 2020. Nor did the Tories in the last election. If they didn't get a majority how did they win their relative elections or are we playing with words now? OK, they didn't get over 50% of the votes available so technically didn't get the "majority" but won within the rules of their democratic processes - is that OK?
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 6, 2020 15:44:59 GMT
That would be true if i was offended by it. Thinking something is ridiculous and calling for common sense to applied doesnt mean ive been offended. Takes a hell of a lot for me to feel offended. So how can you assume others are offended by something they don't agree with? They also don't agree with something, yet you resort to name calling by labelling them Snowflakes just because its something you don't agree with. I'm not offended by Millwall fans booing, I just think it is wrong. I'm not offended by being called a Snowflake either, it just makes me think that the person using it is struggling to make a coherent argument. Why is it wrong , not having a go as your entitled to your opinion, I wouldn’t clap or boo , I for one have had enough , can we start having a 2 mins silence for our war dead every game , as well as taking the knee
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 6, 2020 15:45:16 GMT
Plenty on here have been accused of the above and more for not towing the line, you carry on towing the line your choice let's see how many choose to boo the taking the knee when the stadiums are back to full capacity shall we, am I ok to call you a fcuking idiot because I think it's stupid to blindly follow the media narrative like sheeple. We'll see, unfortunately there are a substantial number of racists who will boo. You are welcome to call me anything you like, its not me defending racists Where is the proof those booing are racists or are you making it up to suit your narrative ?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 6, 2020 15:47:45 GMT
That would be true if i was offended by it. Thinking something is ridiculous and calling for common sense to applied doesnt mean ive been offended. Takes a hell of a lot for me to feel offended. So how can you assume others are offended by something they don't agree with? They also don't agree with something, yet you resort to name calling by labelling them Snowflakes just because its something you don't agree with. I'm not offended by Millwall fans booing, I just think it is wrong. I'm not offended by being called a Snowflake either, it just makes me think that the person using it is struggling to make a coherent argument. Are you ok with the use of Gammon by a person that is struggling to make a coherent argument ?
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Post by sportsman on Dec 6, 2020 15:49:21 GMT
Let's have it right. It's a movement brought out to gain as much ground as possible while it lasts. Be it stop and search, more black people into high positions etc. That's fine. What you get now though is pundits like Clinton thick as fuck morrison on every TV and radio station. The bloke sounds like he's 6 years old for God's sake. The more this goes on the more resentment, booing, racist acts and abuse will happen. You can see it coming. Sorry, you're for booing and racism because Clinton Morrison isnt a very good pundit? Tim Sherwood was on yesterday, hes fucking appalling, how come that hasnt led to a backlash against white people? Stop being a twat. You know exactly what I mean. Every TV and radio station are having Clinton morrison on for one reason, and it's certainly not for being able to string a sentence together without him sounding like he's reading tip and mitten from nursery school.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 6, 2020 15:50:33 GMT
why is it racist though? This seems the most difficult question for anybody to answer on here. It isnt though, is it Lee? Its actually very simple to answer why booing anti racism initiatives is racist and the mark of complete scumbags. Where do you stand on booing our National anthem is that racist ?
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Post by sportsman on Dec 6, 2020 15:51:05 GMT
How big is this bloody spotlight, and how long are the batteries going last in this spotlight 😜 As big as it needs to be for as long it needs to be. I'll rejoin the debate then in about 2030 as I'm not dragging this on for all the time in between. That booing will be bloody loud by then tbougb 😜
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Dec 6, 2020 15:55:42 GMT
Or, as you say, labelling people who express concern or empathy with a social situation they find unacceptable “elite” or “luvvie” because it’s not your “norm” . By the way Trump did not get a majority in 2016 or 2020. Nor did the Tories in the last election. Brexit got a majority They weren’t silent though !!
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Post by sergeishtaniuk on Dec 6, 2020 15:58:23 GMT
Yeah, spot on, Lee. Get this, right, theres a bunch of snowflakes who are actually upset about kneeling for racial equality!! I mean, why do they offence at anything and everything? Take at look at this guy: I mean, what a snowflake, eh? Why does he take offence at anything and everything? He has no genuine reason to be upset about the commentator not saying something offensive. At least me and you see who the real snowflakes are, eh, Lee? That would be true if i was offended by it. Thinking something is ridiculous and calling for common sense to applied doesnt mean ive been offended. Takes a hell of a lot for me to feel offended. Hi Lee. Long time fan, first time caller. Where does the line cross from "thinking something is ridiculous and calling for common sense to applied" to offended, is it complaining about it, making numerous posts bemoaning the "woke culture" online? Because, you see, it looks to me that you are annoyed by the directive to stop using racist stereotypes to refer to black player, despite having no genuine reason to, which, if I'm not mistaken, is your definition of a snowflake, no? Please help me, I'm just trying to learn
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Post by sergeishtaniuk on Dec 6, 2020 16:00:30 GMT
It isnt though, is it Lee? Its actually very simple to answer why booing anti racism initiatives is racist and the mark of complete scumbags. Where do you stand on booing our National anthem is that racist ? Yeah, I dont think anyone should boo anyones national anthem. Can I ask what its got to do with booing anti racism initiatives? Careful with moving those goalposts, mate, you might do yourself an injury.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 6, 2020 16:01:12 GMT
They weren’t silent though !! The winners were not as noisy as the whinging whining bitching losers that's for sure
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 6, 2020 16:04:21 GMT
I see so if you don't take the knee which is not mandatory you should have to explain why you chose not to also if you don't agree with the BLM agenda which is pretty worrying tbf and you chose to boo for that reason you are condemned as a racist, what about standing and giving the black power salute on the pitch how do you stand on that ? If you choose not to join a anti-racism gesture, you will be asked to justify it, yes. If you feel strongly enough not to do it, whats wrong with explaining it? There is no reason to boo BLM except because you are racist and scared of initiatives which look for equality. What if you strongly disagree that BLM represents “anti-racism”, has nothing to do with a struggle for “equality” and is actually an intolerant, illiberal ideological movement which seeks to divide society and sow racial disharmony, patronising and infantilising both white and black people along the way and damaging/endangering the material welfare of black communities, but because it is cleverly named so as to seem to represent something benign and indisputable, unsuspecting corporations, institutions, sportspeople and public figures have been cajoled and pressured into adopting it unquestioningly while anyone raising legitimate doubts about the movement is immediately shut down and cast as a racist? There’s one possible explanation.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 6, 2020 16:04:58 GMT
Where do you stand on booing our National anthem is that racist ? Yeah, I dont think anyone should boo anyones national anthem. Can I ask what its got to do with booing anti racism initiatives? Careful with moving those goalposts, mate, you might do yourself an injury. I take it the ROI fans booing our National anthem is nothing to do with racism then you don't have to be of colour to be the victim of racism in case you haven't noticed or maybe it doesn't suit your agenda, what next anti baldisum, anti gingerisum, anti fatism, where do we put a stop to this ?
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Post by sergeishtaniuk on Dec 6, 2020 16:05:34 GMT
So how can you assume others are offended by something they don't agree with? They also don't agree with something, yet you resort to name calling by labelling them Snowflakes just because its something you don't agree with. I'm not offended by Millwall fans booing, I just think it is wrong. I'm not offended by being called a Snowflake either, it just makes me think that the person using it is struggling to make a coherent argument. Why is it wrong , not having a go as your entitled to your opinion, I wouldn’t clap or boo , I for one have had enough , can we start having a 2 mins silence for our war dead every game , as well as taking the knee We have a 2 minutes silence every November and spend a month wearing poppies. The dead community are not currently being persecuted, so, unsurprisingly, there is little appetite for initiatives designed to enable them to have equality. Why do people keep adding
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 6, 2020 16:10:15 GMT
Why is it wrong , not having a go as your entitled to your opinion, I wouldn’t clap or boo , I for one have had enough , can we start having a 2 mins silence for our war dead every game , as well as taking the knee We have a 2 minutes silence every November and spend a month wearing poppies. The dead community are not currently being persecuted, so, unsurprisingly, there is little appetite for initiatives designed to enable them to have equality. Why do people keep adding How about the homeless ex servicemen in our Country would you be up for that to replace this BLM initiative for the next six months ?, I wonder if the fans would be booing it if we did ?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 6, 2020 16:12:07 GMT
The point being that many of the people on the right crying about 'snowflakes' are themselves easily riled and offended by the mildest of things. Im neither right nor left, straight down the middle me able to see and appreciate views from all partys. Not everthing is left or right, black and white etc etc. There is room in society to be more than just this or that. I can have views that differ from someone else without them labelling or stereotyping me. Whats needed is more conversation not name calling. But again, the 'pace and power' thing is also 'labelling'. That's why people take issue with that, stereotypical traits lazily referred to by many in the game. What's needed is more listening.
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Post by sergeishtaniuk on Dec 6, 2020 16:12:07 GMT
Yeah, I dont think anyone should boo anyones national anthem. Can I ask what its got to do with booing anti racism initiatives? Careful with moving those goalposts, mate, you might do yourself an injury. I take it the ROI fans booing our National anthem is nothing to do with racism then you don't have to be of colour to be the victim of racism in case you haven't noticed or maybe it doesn't suit your agenda, what next anti baldisum, anti gingerisum, anti fatism, where do we put a stop to this ? Sorry mate, did you not notice that I said yes, i dont think anyone should boo the anthem? You appear to have had your drivel already typed out and havent read what I wrote. No one said you had to a POC to be a victim of racism
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Post by sergeishtaniuk on Dec 6, 2020 16:13:37 GMT
We have a 2 minutes silence every November and spend a month wearing poppies. The dead community are not currently being persecuted, so, unsurprisingly, there is little appetite for initiatives designed to enable them to have equality. Why do people keep adding How about the homeless ex servicemen in our Country would you be up for that to replace this BLM initiative for the next six months ?, I wonder if the fans would be booing it if we did ? Sorry mate, again, you've moved the goalpost, we were talking about the dead. I'd be up for whatever initiatives to help any homeless, whether they were in the military or not. If people booed a homeless initative, is that unacceptable or is it ok for people to boo?
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Post by sergeishtaniuk on Dec 6, 2020 16:17:02 GMT
If you choose not to join a anti-racism gesture, you will be asked to justify it, yes. If you feel strongly enough not to do it, whats wrong with explaining it? There is no reason to boo BLM except because you are racist and scared of initiatives which look for equality. What if you strongly disagree that BLM represents “anti-racism”, has nothing to do with a struggle for “equality” and is actually an intolerant, illiberal ideological movement which seeks to divide society and sow racial disharmony, patronising and infantilising both white and black people along the way and damaging/endangering the material welfare of black communities, but because it is cleverly named so as to seem to represent something benign and indisputable, unsuspecting corporations, institutions, sportspeople and public figures have been cajoled and pressured into adopting it unquestioningly while anyone raising legitimate doubts about the movement is immediately shut down and cast as a racist? There’s one possible explanation. It is an explanation, however, you'd hope no one would be that stupid that they wouldnt notice that the kneeling has nothing to do with BLM and is in fact for an FA anti racism initiative, which replaced BLM quite a while ago. And thats before you get round to realising that those are ridiculous views used to hide the fact that the person is scared of equality between races.
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Post by sergeishtaniuk on Dec 6, 2020 16:18:47 GMT
Im neither right nor left, straight down the middle me able to see and appreciate views from all partys. Not everthing is left or right, black and white etc etc. There is room in society to be more than just this or that. I can have views that differ from someone else without them labelling or stereotyping me. Whats needed is more conversation not name calling. But again, the 'pace and power' thing is also 'labelling'. That's why people take issue with that, stereotypical traits lazily referred to by many in the game. What's needed is more listening. But that would involve listening to black people, understanding why what sounds benign to us is actually offensive to them, and then taking steps to change. If this thread shows anything, its that people like our mate Lee are too selfish to do this. He likes labelling black people with stereotypes, why should he have to be the one to change?!
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 6, 2020 16:22:22 GMT
How about the homeless ex servicemen in our Country would you be up for that to replace this BLM initiative for the next six months ?, I wonder if the fans would be booing it if we did ? Sorry mate, again, you've moved the goalpost, we were talking about the dead. I'd be up for whatever initiatives to help any homeless, whether they were in the military or not. If people booed a homeless initative, is that unacceptable or is it ok for people to boo? If they felt strongly enough about not supporting our ex service personnel then yes, I suspect some on here would be amongst them
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 6, 2020 16:23:30 GMT
We have a 2 minutes silence every November and spend a month wearing poppies. The dead community are not currently being persecuted, so, unsurprisingly, there is little appetite for initiatives designed to enable them to have equality. Why do people keep adding How about the homeless ex servicemen in our Country would you be up for that to replace this BLM initiative for the next six months ?, I wonder if the fans would be booing it if we did ? You knowingly voted to make more of them homeless.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 6, 2020 16:26:20 GMT
I take it the ROI fans booing our National anthem is nothing to do with racism then you don't have to be of colour to be the victim of racism in case you haven't noticed or maybe it doesn't suit your agenda, what next anti baldisum, anti gingerisum, anti fatism, where do we put a stop to this ? Sorry mate, did you not notice that I said yes, i dont think anyone should boo the anthem? You appear to have had your drivel already typed out and havent read what I wrote. No one said you had to a POC to be a victim of racism I specifically asked you if the booing of our national anthem by ROI fans is racist, you appear to have ignored what I wrote why ?
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 6, 2020 16:26:45 GMT
But again, the 'pace and power' thing is also 'labelling'. That's why people take issue with that, stereotypical traits lazily referred to by many in the game. What's needed is more listening. But that would involve listening to black people, understanding why what sounds benign to us is actually offensive to them, and then taking steps to change. If this thread shows anything, its that people like our mate Lee are too selfish to do this. He likes labelling black people with stereotypes, why should he have to be the one to change?! Would you like a list of black commentators who are strongly opposed to BLM and taking the knee, and hold views similar to those expressed in my last post? Or do you not mean listening to that kind of black person?
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