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Post by raythesailor on Dec 3, 2020 16:21:52 GMT
Braking news. Unconfirmed reports of a large explosion at a Avonmouth warehouse with Emergency Services in attendance.
Further details to follow but it sounds serious.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 3, 2020 16:23:08 GMT
Multiple casualties. You have to think there have been deaths 😟
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Post by dexta on Dec 3, 2020 17:15:43 GMT
To rip something like that open that is a serious explosion
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 3, 2020 17:40:20 GMT
Four confirmed dead water treatment plant. |
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Post by Boothen on Dec 3, 2020 18:13:08 GMT
What a shit way to die.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 3, 2020 18:15:43 GMT
Apparently there were blokes on top of it as it blew. Condolences to their families, what an awful situation
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Post by alsagerstokie on Dec 3, 2020 18:30:21 GMT
RIP.
So here is a question. Sorry to sound morbid. Has anyone ever been in or seen a work place maybe industrial accident in there life.
I have not personally
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 3, 2020 18:34:35 GMT
RIP. So here is a question. Sorry to sound morbid. Has anyone ever been in or seen a work place maybe industrial accident in there life. I have not personally Seen a bloke cut his finger off on a cross cut saw. And a near miss when a guy was running some timber through a bed saw, it snagged somewhere, flew off, missed the guy but catapulted through two sets of stud walking and a tin of paint the other side!!! |
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Post by mattyd2 on Dec 3, 2020 18:35:47 GMT
RIP. So here is a question. Sorry to sound morbid. Has anyone ever been in or seen a work place maybe industrial accident in there life. I have not personally LMH ( I think ) Accidentally signed Berrahino & Wimmer |
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Post by Boothen on Dec 3, 2020 19:09:33 GMT
RIP. So here is a question. Sorry to sound morbid. Has anyone ever been in or seen a work place maybe industrial accident in there life. I have not personally Yeah. I worked part-time at a refractory when I was doing my HND and we had a bloke fall into what, for all intents and purposes, was a massive industrial food mixer. It was used to break down the bats that were unused or damaged before firing. One they'd been broken down by the blades the powder was forced through meshes of ever decreasing size. That was slightly messy. Used to work at a mortuary too, so have seen more than my fair share of the results of accidents. |
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 3, 2020 21:39:40 GMT
In the60/ 70/80s the UK had a massive program of building Power Stations and although I never witnessed any there were numerous incidences of serious and fatal accidents.
I have worked in the industry and when I look back at the conditions we were expected to work in and compare them to today’s quite correct health and safety regulations, no matter how frustrating they may seem, I wonder how I and many others survived.
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Post by alsagerstokie on Dec 3, 2020 21:45:08 GMT
RIP. So here is a question. Sorry to sound morbid. Has anyone ever been in or seen a work place maybe industrial accident in there life. I have not personally Yeah. I worked part-time at a refractory when I was doing my HND and we had a bloke fall into what, for all intents and purposes, was a massive industrial food mixer. It was used to break down the bats that were unused or damaged before firing. One they'd been broken down by the blades the powder was forced through meshes of ever decreasing size. That was slightly messy. Used to work at a mortuary too, so have seen more than my fair share of the results of accidents. RIP to that bloke aswell must of been horrible to watch him die. I remember a story about two blokes at a Big bakery unit in Derby. They went in to clean the giant oven but it hadn't been turned off for long enough. They were literally burned alive. |
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 3, 2020 22:14:04 GMT
In the 12 months ending March this year there were 111 fatal accidents in UK industry.
The most common cause is falls from height, followed by vehicular accidents. Fork lift trucks are very dangerous and keep well clear of them.
The accident rate has reduced massively over the decades. When I started work in a steel works in South Wales in 1970 there were typically 2 fatal accidents a year, usually one involved a vehicle. There were scores of steelworks in the country in those days so the total number must have been horrifying by today's standards. Loss of limbs was very common and when an employee lost a limb they were often given a job such as security, or gatehouse.
I have been involved in a couple of fatal accidents, one very similar to today's, an over pressurised vessel. I won't say explosion because that has not been verified yet, but it does look like that, possibly a methane ignition but I'm just guessing.
The world is a lot safer place these days, primarily driven by tighter legislation since the 1970 (Health & Safety At Work Regulations), safer vehicles, safer electrical regulations (arguably the best in the world), and the massive reduction in heavy industry, such as steel, mining, rail transport of goods, etc. In the 1950s and before major rail crashes occurred, and in the 60s multiple pile ups on motorways occurred with dreadful frequency. Construction is now the must dangerous industry, one of the most dangerous is motorway construction, but safer nowadays with the adoption of continuous concrete barriers to protect workers.
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Post by somersetstokie on Dec 3, 2020 23:38:22 GMT
Yeah. I worked part-time at a refractory when I was doing my HND and we had a bloke fall into what, for all intents and purposes, was a massive industrial food mixer. It was used to break down the bats that were unused or damaged before firing. One they'd been broken down by the blades the powder was forced through meshes of ever decreasing size. That was slightly messy. Used to work at a mortuary too, so have seen more than my fair share of the results of accidents. RIP to that bloke aswell must of been horrible to watch him die. I remember a story about two blokes at a Big bakery unit in Derby. They went in to clean the giant oven but it hadn't been turned off for long enough. They were literally burned alive. There was one similar major incident about 10 years ago that was so horrific it stayed with me. I did feel that it was too awful to post about but as a precedent was set above I've carried on. I think it was in a factory on Merseyside, and an engineer was working inside an industrial oven, used for baking thermosetting plastic. and he was doing structural maintenance. Someone switched the oven on without being aware of his presence, as there was no line of sight from the control point and no one could hear his screams, and the oven locked shut when it was switched on. When someone realised something was wrong the guy was pulled out but died of burns and shock. I believe that the man who died was the father of the girl the "operator" was engaged to, and that marriage certainly didn't happen. |
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 4, 2020 6:43:57 GMT
In the 12 months ending March this year there were 111 fatal accidents in UK industry. The most common cause is falls from height, followed by vehicular accidents. Fork lift trucks are very dangerous and keep well clear of them. The accident rate has reduced massively over the decades. When I started work in a steel works in South Wales in 1970 there were typically 2 fatal accidents a year, usually one involved a vehicle. There were scores of steelworks in the country in those days so the total number must have been horrifying by today's standards. Loss of limbs was very common and when an employee lost a limb they were often given a job such as security, or gatehouse. I have been involved in a couple of fatal accidents, one very similar to today's, an over pressurised vessel. I won't say explosion because that has not been verified yet, but it does look like that, possibly a methane ignition but I'm just guessing. The world is a lot safer place these days, primarily driven by tighter legislation since the 1970 (Health & Safety At Work Regulations), safer vehicles, safer electrical regulations (arguably the best in the world), and the massive reduction in heavy industry, such as steel, mining, rail transport of goods, etc. In the 1950s and before major rail crashes occurred, and in the 60s multiple pile ups on motorways occurred with dreadful frequency. Construction is now the must dangerous industry, one of the most dangerous is motorway construction, but safer nowadays with the adoption of continuous concrete barriers to protect workers. Per head recycling/waste is the most dangerous surprisingly |
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 4, 2020 9:23:15 GMT
I read about this disaster the other day (in Dennis Lehane’s excellent The Given Day) the great Boston molasses flood of 1919.
Seriously... this was serious;
A 25 foot high tsunami of molasses travelling at 35mph in all directions after an enormous storage tank exploded. It killed 21 people, destroyed a big chunk of Boston and left behind a disgusting mess.
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Post by somersetstokie on Dec 4, 2020 9:39:49 GMT
Many people came to a sticky end!
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 4, 2020 10:22:22 GMT
In the 12 months ending March this year there were 111 fatal accidents in UK industry. The most common cause is falls from height, followed by vehicular accidents. Fork lift trucks are very dangerous and keep well clear of them. The accident rate has reduced massively over the decades. When I started work in a steel works in South Wales in 1970 there were typically 2 fatal accidents a year, usually one involved a vehicle. There were scores of steelworks in the country in those days so the total number must have been horrifying by today's standards. Loss of limbs was very common and when an employee lost a limb they were often given a job such as security, or gatehouse. I have been involved in a couple of fatal accidents, one very similar to today's, an over pressurised vessel. I won't say explosion because that has not been verified yet, but it does look like that, possibly a methane ignition but I'm just guessing. The world is a lot safer place these days, primarily driven by tighter legislation since the 1970 (Health & Safety At Work Regulations), safer vehicles, safer electrical regulations (arguably the best in the world), and the massive reduction in heavy industry, such as steel, mining, rail transport of goods, etc. In the 1950s and before major rail crashes occurred, and in the 60s multiple pile ups on motorways occurred with dreadful frequency. Construction is now the must dangerous industry, one of the most dangerous is motorway construction, but safer nowadays with the adoption of continuous concrete barriers to protect workers. Per head recycling/waste is the most dangerous surprisingly I've not heard that before. I got my stats and that construction is the most dangerous injury for fatalities from the HSE annual report for 2019/2020. www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/fatals.htmIn terms a most tragic accident, the worst one I ever heard about occurred many years ago at a quarry near Leicester. A low loader arrived at the quarry delivering a piece of mobile plant (crane, bull dozer, whatever) and was directed where to go. He needed to reverse to change direction so his mate jumped out to guide him reversing backwards. He lost sight of his mate and suspected something wrong and stopped got out and went to the back of his vehicle to see he had run of his mate and killed him. His mate was his son. |
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Post by alsagerstokie on Dec 4, 2020 12:48:08 GMT
RIP to that bloke aswell must of been horrible to watch him die. I remember a story about two blokes at a Big bakery unit in Derby. They went in to clean the giant oven but it hadn't been turned off for long enough. They were literally burned alive. There was one similar major incident about 10 years ago that was so horrific it stayed with me. I did feel that it was too awful to post about but as a precedent was set above I've carried on. I think it was in a factory on Merseyside, and an engineer was working inside an industrial oven, used for baking thermosetting plastic. and he was doing structural maintenance. Someone switched the oven on without being aware of his presence, as there was no line of sight from the control point and no one could hear his screams, and the oven locked shut when it was switched on. When someone realised something was wrong the guy was pulled out but died of burns and shock. I believe that the man who died was the father of the girl the "operator" was engaged to, and that marriage certainly didn't happen. I think the company were fined at the Derby one. They were supposed to turn the oven off 4 hours before so the people could go inside and clean but it was only turned off for 2 hours to save money. I think I found the article. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1443939.stmAnother one I heard about was in America someone met a choppy ending in a meat factory. www.express.co.uk/news/world/1118564/Pennsylvania-news-worker-death-meat-grinder-economy-locker-storage-company |
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 4, 2020 13:21:53 GMT
There have been some interesting discussions on various threads re Manslaughter.
I believe that if a employer or company are grossly negligent a charge of Corporate Manslaughter can be filed. ?
I am in no way suggesting that this is the case with this tragedy.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 4, 2020 14:30:32 GMT
The HASAWA requires that an employer maintains a safe place of work.
As one Factory Inspector once said to me, if there is an accident the onus falls on the employer to demonstrate he has operated within the law as the very fact someone is hurt would infer otherwise.
Even if the employee has been negligent and effectively contributed to their accident, it is still necessary for the employer to demonstrate that there are safe working procedures and that they have provided suitable and sufficient training and supervision, etc. to ensure safe working practices are followed.
The management of that Bristol facility are in a very difficult situation to put it mildly.
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 4, 2020 14:50:37 GMT
Per head recycling/waste is the most dangerous surprisingly I've not heard that before. I got my stats and that construction is the most dangerous injury for fatalities from the HSE annual report for 2019/2020. www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/fatals.htmIn terms a most tragic accident, the worst one I ever heard about occurred many years ago at a quarry near Leicester. A low loader arrived at the quarry delivering a piece of mobile plant (crane, bull dozer, whatever) and was directed where to go. He needed to reverse to change direction so his mate jumped out to guide him reversing backwards. He lost sight of his mate and suspected something wrong and stopped got out and went to the back of his vehicle to see he had run of his mate and killed him. His mate was his son. This breaks it down a bit quicker than the HSE stats but it’s well above the average. |
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Post by flea79 on Dec 4, 2020 16:18:02 GMT
i saw an el claim recently where the employees of an industrial butchers had modified the mincing machine to fit more meat in and get finished quicker, they took the magnetic catch off so the machine would work without it
the chief butcher (who knew the machines were modified) forgot to isolate from the mains when he cleaned it and stood on the foot operated pedal with his hand inside....
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Post by alsagerstokie on Dec 4, 2020 17:58:18 GMT
i saw an el claim recently where the employees of an industrial butchers had modified the mincing machine to fit more meat in and get finished quicker, they took the magnetic catch off so the machine would work without it the chief butcher (who knew the machines were modified) forgot to isolate from the mains when he cleaned it and stood on the foot operated pedal with his hand inside.... Take it he's now without one of his meat hooks |
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Post by flea79 on Dec 4, 2020 18:02:12 GMT
i saw an el claim recently where the employees of an industrial butchers had modified the mincing machine to fit more meat in and get finished quicker, they took the magnetic catch off so the machine would work without it the chief butcher (who knew the machines were modified) forgot to isolate from the mains when he cleaned it and stood on the foot operated pedal with his hand inside.... Take it he's now without one of his meat hooks He was lucky couple of fingers and a thumb gone, he is/was claiming for a large amount of money and the management are liable for damages as they didn’t inspect the machines regularly enough, in fairness to them I don’t think they expected the staff to do something so silly in the first place. So now the insurance premiums go through the roof and they have to pay a third party h and s firm to do a monthly report on the machines. |
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 4, 2020 18:03:21 GMT
But on the other hand...
I'll get me coat.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 4, 2020 18:43:48 GMT
I've not heard that before. I got my stats and that construction is the most dangerous injury for fatalities from the HSE annual report for 2019/2020. www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/fatals.htmIn terms a most tragic accident, the worst one I ever heard about occurred many years ago at a quarry near Leicester. A low loader arrived at the quarry delivering a piece of mobile plant (crane, bull dozer, whatever) and was directed where to go. He needed to reverse to change direction so his mate jumped out to guide him reversing backwards. He lost sight of his mate and suspected something wrong and stopped got out and went to the back of his vehicle to see he had run of his mate and killed him. His mate was his son. This breaks it down a bit quicker than the HSE stats but it’s well above the average. Interesting link. I find it odd that the HSE is attributing the reduction partly due to the pandemic as the figures only go up to end of March. Industrial activity was generally at a peak during 2019 . |
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Post by Boothen on Dec 4, 2020 18:50:31 GMT
There's a pretty nasty video doing the rounds of some bloke who removed the safety screen from an industrial lathe and then leaned over said lathe. It spun him into bloody chunks.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 4, 2020 18:57:24 GMT
In the60/ 70/80s the UK had a massive program of building Power Stations and although I never witnessed any there were numerous incidences of serious and fatal accidents. I have worked in the industry and when I look back at the conditions we were expected to work in and compare them to today’s quite correct health and safety regulations, no matter how frustrating they may seem, I wonder how I and many others survived. I've worked in the industry too, bloody dangerous places power stations. There was a fatality at one a year or two before I got there, father and son were part of a team painting the stack and the father forgot to put the hatch back down about 60m up on the staging he'd just climbed up to, fell through it before he'd attached his safety harness and apparently passed his son on the way down  |
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 4, 2020 19:45:18 GMT
Worked at a chip shop once, really bad accident, chap I worked with never died, but he got battered.
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