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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 20:09:41 GMT
We spent 2 months making Sheron our highest ever paid player and soon after he decided he wanted away. He really did the dirty on us
As for Macari"s era being better than the Prem, we were on par with Stockport as a reality check for a good part of it in the third tier, the equivalent of say Brentford now at the end ,in fact not that good Was great beating Mansfield, Botts County etc but nonsense to compare with beating the best in the country.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 18, 2020 20:35:14 GMT
I’m very surprised by that. We were poor as church mice. Steve Stone would have been perfect for that fee. Mendonca might have had a bigger initial impact than Peter Thorne, on reflection/hindsight. As mentioned before I witnessed the whole transfer deadline day first hand that afternoon, Macari was not popular to say the least. Stone couldnt get a game at Forest, eventually due to injuries he did and what a player he was. We pissed about with a young Andy Cole chasing Steve Claridge who was never going to sign for us, Cole went to Bristol City in the end after scoring v us on loan at Fulham Andy Cole went to Bristol city in 92 so not sure what that has to do with 96/97 (he was already at man Utd then). Unless you are using that as a comparable in relation to our dealings. But then we had Bertie and Steino firming on all cylinders that season so not sure why we'd have been in for Cole
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Post by sean on Dec 18, 2020 20:48:34 GMT
I’m very surprised by that. We were poor as church mice. Steve Stone would have been perfect for that fee. Mendonca might have had a bigger initial impact than Peter Thorne, on reflection/hindsight. As mentioned before I witnessed the whole transfer deadline day first hand that afternoon, Macari was not popular to say the least. Stone couldnt get a game at Forest, eventually due to injuries he did and what a player he was. We pissed about with a young Andy Cole chasing Steve Claridge who was never going to sign for us, Cole went to Bristol City in the end after scoring v us on loan at Fulham I am surprised that nobody has pulled you up on this absolute bollocks before but how long were you at the ground for 4-5 years ? In Lou's first spell we almost signed Steve Stone before he had played for Forest but due to injuries he got in there team and that was the end of that and by 1997 he had played well over 100 premier league games and was an England international Andy Cole signed for Bristol in 1992 for 500k 12 months after we bought Mark Stein for 100k! The Mendonca bid was I think was around the time we sold Pesch we bid £750K they wanted a million and that was the end of that, and as I recall at the time Lou was told he had to sell a player either Sandford or Pesch and as we were in the play offs he sold Pesch rather than our only left back.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 21:00:16 GMT
Was the same day as Pesch but he was was sold weeks before in principal. Was the worst kept secret he was leaving
Grimsby rejected two offers thethen accepted the second one early afternoon, was nowhere near a million and witnessed it first hand as mentioned before Pesch had a contract where we paid Brum per goal he scored on top of the original fee so selling him for Mendonca made sense
As for Stein, he was set to join Newcastle for 600 k and Biggins was trying to move for months. Ironically Cole ended up at Newcastle eventuallyafter Bristol City
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Post by oslostokie1 on Dec 18, 2020 21:26:20 GMT
As someone in his mid-50s, the Macari era was the first time in a long while that I felt we regained our mojo after some very difficult Asprey-Mills-Barker-Jordan years, when we occasionally flirted with success, but were rarely able to sustain for any reasonable period of time. Admittedly at a lower level, Lou was able to assemble a “team” in its truest sense of the word consisting of average footballers who compensated any technical shortcomings with steely attributes complimented by a star forward in the name of Mark Stein. In many respects, there were several parallels (replace Stein with Fuller) with the team moulded by Pulis 15 years later which was at a higher level, but financed by the Coates coffers which had swelled in the intervening years.
Lou tainted his reputation in many Stokies’ minds by leaving us for Celtic but that was such a career and salary hike, and to a club which was in his home town, back in the days when he was earning a relative pittance compared to today’s standards that I would never hold that against him. The fact that he has maintained his home in the area after all these years shows the close bond that he must feel to our city. I am only surprised that his charitable endeavours toward our city have not gained greater recognition both within our club and in our local community.
A true Stoke hero if ever there was one.
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Post by Squeekster on Dec 18, 2020 21:30:13 GMT
We spent 2 months making Sheron our highest ever paid player and soon after he decided he wanted away. He really did the dirty on us As for Macari"s era being better than the Prem, we were on par with Stockport as a reality check for a good part of it in the third tier, the equivalent of say Brentford now at the end ,in fact not that good Was great beating Mansfield, Botts County etc but nonsense to compare with beating the best in the country. No Sheron didn't, I think someone like Martin Smith went to see Moxy I think at the time for proof of Mike's transfer request and he went in another room and came back with a scrap of paper that in his words were clearly just done to try and justify it. I think it's now common knowledge we forced him out to stump our side of the cash for the Brit and that Sheron didn't want to leave at all! Now Wayne Biggins!
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Post by sean on Dec 18, 2020 21:39:42 GMT
We spent 2 months making Sheron our highest ever paid player and soon after he decided he wanted away. He really did the dirty on us As for Macari"s era being better than the Prem, we were on par with Stockport as a reality check for a good part of it in the third tier, the equivalent of say Brentford now at the end ,in fact not that good Was great beating Mansfield, Botts County etc but nonsense to compare with beating the best in the country. No Sheron didn't, I think someone like Martin Smith went to see Moxy I think at the time for proof of Mike's transfer request and he went in another room and came back with a scrap of paper that in his words were clearly just done to try and justify it. I think it's now common knowledge we forced him out to stump our side of the cash for the Brit and that Sheron didn't want to leave at all! Now Wayne Biggins! This is covered in Duck 62 where Sheron in his own words said he was happy and settled here but was forced out to pay for the new stadium much like Graham Kavanagh a few years later
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 22:03:33 GMT
No Sheron didn't, I think someone like Martin Smith went to see Moxy I think at the time for proof of Mike's transfer request and he went in another room and came back with a scrap of paper that in his words were clearly just done to try and justify it. I think it's now common knowledge we forced him out to stump our side of the cash for the Brit and that Sheron didn't want to leave at all! Now Wayne Biggins! This is covered in Duck 62 where Sheron in his own words said he was happy and settled here but was forced out to pay for the new stadium much like Graham Kavanagh a few years later I met Moxey meany times and sat in his office for a few hours at a time quite often when the stadium being built. Was there when the Mendonca deal went down the toilet and Beardsley when he called from France .The whole thing about players telling fanzes etc that they didn't want to go is basically telling them what they want to hear. Kananagh not wanting to leave is onsense but isn't going to tell say Duck magazine any different as is Sheron. He actually made a statement in the press that he felt he couldn't give his best if forced to stay. Clive Clarke was the only player at the time who was keen to stay when Sheff U wanted him.
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Post by sifta on Feb 16, 2021 21:49:36 GMT
Not often there are 2 Stoke related subjects trending, but great as a win is, Lou's thread is the one that pleased me most.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 16, 2021 22:00:23 GMT
Not often there are 2 Stoke related subjects trending, but great as a win is, Lou's thread is the one that pleased me most.
If freedom of the city is still a thing Lou should have it then it should be followed by an honour in the new years honours list.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 16, 2021 22:04:22 GMT
I saw Lou earlier at the Hanford petrol station. Looked in fine fettle. Great to see.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 16, 2021 22:09:32 GMT
He sure has some good bones does Lou. A man of real compassion which would have been easy to lose after the tragedy he and his family endured.
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Post by sifta on Feb 16, 2021 22:11:35 GMT
Not often there are 2 Stoke related subjects trending, but great as a win is, Lou's thread is the one that pleased me most.
If freedom of the city is still a thing Lou should have it then it should be followed by an honour in the new years honours list. Definitely should have freedom of the city. I'd kind of assumed that the reason he didn't have an honour was that he didn't want one. surely he's been put forward?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Feb 16, 2021 22:21:52 GMT
How is that trending about 2 weeks after the interview? It's very well deserved coverage for Mr. Macari at any time. I was delighted when I switched the radio on a couple of weeks ago to hear Lou.
Maybe a few high profile people have picked up on it this time - I see Judy Murray has retweeted the interview.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 16, 2021 22:28:29 GMT
Not often there are 2 Stoke related subjects trending, but great as a win is, Lou's thread is the one that pleased me most.
Can't open this don't do twatter, does it mention Adam Yates and the Hubb foundation by any chance ?
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Post by sifta on Feb 16, 2021 22:41:47 GMT
Not often there are 2 Stoke related subjects trending, but great as a win is, Lou's thread is the one that pleased me most.
Can't open this don't do twatter, does it mention Adam Yates and the Hubb foundation by any chance ?
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 16, 2021 22:50:08 GMT
As a side note, Peter Coates deserves as much credit here too. If he hadn't have changed his mind and brought him here as manager from Birmingham, we wouldn't have him in our fine city at all.
He'd be living in another city. I have no doubt he would still be doing something good with his time, but our city would be poorer for it.
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Post by trincostokie on Feb 16, 2021 22:58:24 GMT
Not often there are 2 Stoke related subjects trending, but great as a win is, Lou's thread is the one that pleased me most.
If freedom of the city is still a thing Lou should have it then it should be followed by an honour in the new years honours list. Couldn't agree more! What a man
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Post by J-Roar on Feb 16, 2021 23:03:05 GMT
As a side note, Peter Coates deserves as much credit here too. If he hadn't have changed his mind and brought him here as manager from Birmingham, we wouldn't have him in our fine city at all. He'd be living in another city. I have no doubt he would still be doing something good with his time, but our city would be poorer for it. Really? As much credit?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2021 9:36:10 GMT
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Post by march4 on Feb 17, 2021 9:44:23 GMT
He deserves a seat in the House of Lords so he can make sure that his message reaches those in Whitehall.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Feb 17, 2021 10:40:59 GMT
"We've got something you ain't got,we've got something you ain't got....."
Could be riding the corporate hospitality gravy train at Old Trafford for all it's worth or sat at home cosily reminiscing about a fantastic career in sport;Instead he's mopping floors,and providing a sympathietic ear to residents at his centre,pledging to persist with it until he's "no longer needed..."
The man's a bona fide Stoke legend.
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Post by redandy on Feb 17, 2021 12:52:34 GMT
Lou retired from his management career in 2002, did he retire too early? I'm sure he still had plenty to offer, he's two years younger and far more lively than Roy Hodgson.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 17, 2021 14:38:47 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 17, 2021 17:59:08 GMT
We spent 2 months making Sheron our highest ever paid player and soon after he decided he wanted away. He really did the dirty on us As for Macari"s era being better than the Prem, we were on par with Stockport as a reality check for a good part of it in the third tier, the equivalent of say Brentford now at the end ,in fact not that good Was great beating Mansfield, Botts County etc but nonsense to compare with beating the best in the country. No Sheron didn't, I think someone like Martin Smith went to see Moxy I think at the time for proof of Mike's transfer request and he went in another room and came back with a scrap of paper that in his words were clearly just done to try and justify it. I think it's now common knowledge we forced him out to stump our side of the cash for the Brit and that Sheron didn't want to leave at all! Now Wayne Biggins! I went to see Jez Moxey and he showed me Mike Sheron's hand written transfer request. I'd taken him to task on a whole number of things, prompted by the Rochdale fiasco where thousands of people couldn't get into our brand new stadium for kick off despite there only being a crowd of around 12,000. Jez Moxey invited me in to meet him and discuss my grievances personally. I have to say, Moxey was brilliant at pulling the wool over my eyes, including the hand written Mike Sheron transfer request which was actually a complete fabrication. Whether he pulled the same trick on Smudge and even other supporters I don't know but I can't imagine he would have been as gullible as I was back then.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 17, 2021 18:04:10 GMT
This is covered in Duck 62 where Sheron in his own words said he was happy and settled here but was forced out to pay for the new stadium much like Graham Kavanagh a few years later I met Moxey meany times and sat in his office for a few hours at a time quite often when the stadium being built. Was there when the Mendonca deal went down the toilet and Beardsley when he called from France .The whole thing about players telling fanzes etc that they didn't want to go is basically telling them what they want to hear. Kananagh not wanting to leave is onsense but isn't going to tell say Duck magazine any different as is Sheron. He actually made a statement in the press that he felt he couldn't give his best if forced to stay. Clive Clarke was the only player at the time who was keen to stay when Sheff U wanted him. Unfortunately you are wrong about Kav which then basically shows up the rest of your "story" to either be complete bollocks or a major extension of the truth. Kav was actually the next door neighbour and friend of one of my best mates. Kav did not want to leave and did so reluctantly after we offered him an improved contract on less money than he was on previously so as to help force him through the door. We were skint and needed the money. It wasn't the same trick as was pulled on Sheron. That was much more sinister. I saw the so called hand-written transfer request. Moxey was brilliant at making everyone the bad guy and he played a blinder with Sheron. The truth was somewhat different.
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 17, 2021 18:30:22 GMT
I met Moxey meany times and sat in his office for a few hours at a time quite often when the stadium being built. Was there when the Mendonca deal went down the toilet and Beardsley when he called from France .The whole thing about players telling fanzes etc that they didn't want to go is basically telling them what they want to hear. Kananagh not wanting to leave is onsense but isn't going to tell say Duck magazine any different as is Sheron. He actually made a statement in the press that he felt he couldn't give his best if forced to stay. Clive Clarke was the only player at the time who was keen to stay when Sheff U wanted him. Unfortunately you are wrong about Kav which then basically shows up the rest of your "story" to either be complete bollocks or a major extension of the truth. Kav was actually the next door neighbour and friend of one of my best mates. Kav did not want to leave and did so reluctantly after we offered him an improved contract on less money than he was on previously so as to help force him through the door. We were skint and needed the money. It wasn't the same trick as was pulled on Sheron. That was much more sinister. I saw the so called hand-written transfer request. Moxey was brilliant at making everyone the bad buy and he played a blinder with Sheron. The truth was somewhat different. I wouldn’t believe Moxey if he told me it was Thursday tomorrow
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Post by J-Roar on Feb 17, 2021 20:02:55 GMT
Unfortunately you are wrong about Kav which then basically shows up the rest of your "story" to either be complete bollocks or a major extension of the truth. Kav was actually the next door neighbour and friend of one of my best mates. Kav did not want to leave and did so reluctantly after we offered him an improved contract on less money than he was on previously so as to help force him through the door. We were skint and needed the money. It wasn't the same trick as was pulled on Sheron. That was much more sinister. I saw the so called hand-written transfer request. Moxey was brilliant at making everyone the bad buy and he played a blinder with Sheron. The truth was somewhat different. I wouldn’t believe Moxey if he told me it was Thursday tomorrow It was Wednesday yesterday tbf.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Feb 17, 2021 20:31:11 GMT
Cant stand Moxey
Even prefer Scholes to that arsehole
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Post by jarhead on Feb 17, 2021 21:10:05 GMT
What a man he is.
I could listen to Lou all day & all night, he has such passion in everything he speaks about.
Legend
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