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Post by kevkj on Oct 27, 2020 21:44:05 GMT
Shocking performance on the whole way to many changes.But he keeps doing it Everyone knows our best 11 now and it doesn't include Chester,Vokes,Tymon,
Fox or Oakley Booth.
Easy 3 points for them really and we all knew it when we saw the line up.The players who did need a rest like Mikel and Smith played.
🤷🙆Vis Unita Fortior"
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Post by greenhoff on Oct 27, 2020 21:45:35 GMT
He doesn't seem to learn does he?
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Post by liamo on Oct 27, 2020 21:46:29 GMT
I would rather have bamboo inserted into my urethra than watch that starting 11 attempt to play football again
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Post by boweryboy on Oct 27, 2020 21:50:56 GMT
That team looked as though it was picked to just see out the fixture,with no intention to win the game !!!
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Post by greystokie on Oct 27, 2020 21:52:09 GMT
The problem is that we don't have the strength in depth in the squad to play 2 games a week. His thinking is to hold the better players back in the hope of securing the win over Rotherham at the weekend
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Post by bucknall67 on Oct 27, 2020 21:53:27 GMT
I would rather have bamboo inserted into my urethra than watch that starting 11 attempt to play football again It can be arranged!! Though I know how you feel. |
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Post by toppercorner on Oct 27, 2020 21:55:17 GMT
I really really don't understand.
Last season he put round pegs in round holes etc and played the 4231 - where we scored goals for fun.
This season, the 352/532 is limiting us massively.
It's really pissed me off tonight, more than it should
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Post by Goonie on Oct 27, 2020 21:56:34 GMT
That team looked as though it was picked to just see out the fixture,with no intention to win the game !!! Bonus game?🤔 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 21:57:54 GMT
Rather worrying that the manager can’t see that was coming.
Ups and downs being created by the manager.
Big own goal tonight by MON.
Reminds me of Sparky saving his best team against Chelsea for the Newcastle game. Is that what he was thinking for Rotherham?
Even if it was, that team didn’t lay a glove on Swans
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Post by ravey123 on Oct 27, 2020 22:11:39 GMT
The problem is that we don't have the strength in depth in the squad to play 2 games a week. His thinking is to hold the better players back in the hope of securing the win over Rotherham at the weekend That's just plain rubbish - I bet we have the best squad (on paper) in the league. If MON is right and resting the players will reap rewards later I am looking forward to 23 wins on the trot in the 2nd half of the seson. What's wrong with playing your best team, getting high in the table then let the confidence and momentum keep you going. |
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Post by stokie223 on Oct 27, 2020 22:15:42 GMT
The problem is that we don't have the strength in depth in the squad to play 2 games a week. His thinking is to hold the better players back in the hope of securing the win over Rotherham at the weekend That's just plain rubbish - I bet we have the best squad (on paper) in the league.If MON is right and resting the players will reap rewards later I am looking forward to 23 wins on the trot in the 2nd half of the seson. What's wrong with playing your best team, getting high in the table then let the confidence and momentum keep you going. If you honestly believe that bit then you must be mental. We are awash with truly awful footballers. I really do struggle to think of more than 2-3 players I'd be bothered about losing. We have far too many limited footballers, on premier league money (or close to) that no one else would touch with a barge pole! |
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Post by danceswithclams on Oct 27, 2020 22:17:03 GMT
I would rather have bamboo inserted into my urethra than watch that starting 11 attempt to play football again I know someone who can arrange this for you - discreet service, great value for money. |
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Post by Ron on Oct 27, 2020 22:18:44 GMT
I get the games are coming thick and fast but there are PLENTY of midweek games in any championship season not just this so it’s hardly anything new. To play that team against a decent outfit was naive. Hopefully it’s a case of lesson learned. Hopefully he’ll also have realised that Tymon is atrocious.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 22:28:02 GMT
The problem is that we don't have the strength in depth in the squad to play 2 games a week. His thinking is to hold the better players back in the hope of securing the win over Rotherham at the weekend That's just plain rubbish - I bet we have the best squad (on paper) in the league. If MON is right and resting the players will reap rewards later I am looking forward to 23 wins on the trot in the 2nd half of the seson. What's wrong with playing your best team, getting high in the table then let the confidence and momentum keep you going. The first bit of that, is wider of the mark than tonight's starting XI. |
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Post by march4 on Oct 27, 2020 22:31:41 GMT
Shocking performance on the whole way to many changes.But he keeps doing it Everyone knows our best 11 now and it doesn't include Chester,Vokes,Tymon, Fox or Oakley Booth. Easy 3 points for them really and we all knew it when we saw the line up.The players who did need a rest like Mikel and Smith played. 🤷🙆Vis Unita Fortior" Spot on, especially about the fringe players who should only appear in an emergency. I could add Brown to your list. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 27, 2020 22:32:25 GMT
The problem is that we don't have the strength in depth in the squad to play 2 games a week. His thinking is to hold the better players back in the hope of securing the win over Rotherham at the weekend That's just plain rubbish - I bet we have the best squad (on paper) in the league. If MON is right and resting the players will reap rewards later I am looking forward to 23 wins on the trot in the 2nd half of the seson. What's wrong with playing your best team, getting high in the table then let the confidence and momentum keep you going. Our squad is probably only leading in terms of expense. I’d be shocked if they were anywhere near the top of anything on statistical measures. Watford’s squad is infinitely better than ours. W |
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Post by jarhead on Oct 27, 2020 22:32:41 GMT
That team looked as though it was picked to just see out the fixture,with no intention to win the game !!! 100% This. Dreadful setup Deserved what we got ZERO!!! |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 27, 2020 22:33:18 GMT
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Post by Billy the kid on Oct 27, 2020 22:36:48 GMT
They often say a manager that 9 out of ten times, or saves a club from certain relegation has “credit in the bank”, with that shite tonight I feel he took a sizeable (although not quite significant) withdraw, not anywhere near good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 22:37:19 GMT
First away defeat in 8, first goal conceded in 510 minutes.
Why does he keep doing what sorry?
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Oct 27, 2020 22:42:21 GMT
First away defeat in 8, first goal conceded in 510 minutes. Why does he keep doing what sorry? How the hell dare you be so well reasoned and sensible?? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 22:49:15 GMT
I think that’s harsh on the squad but the manager changed too much tonight. TOB is inconsistent which is fine for his age but on the other side Tymon is plainly throwing away his chance to reignite his career after putting himself back in the picture.
Don’t think the defence were to blame as they were pretty much bombarded from minute one. I definitely don’t rate Fox though and Chester is Chester. Vokes and Brown are never going to win you football matches.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 27, 2020 22:50:43 GMT
The problem is that we don't have the strength in depth in the squad to play 2 games a week. His thinking is to hold the better players back in the hope of securing the win over Rotherham at the weekend There's no guarantee of that though, he's over thinking it if thats the case but that still doesn't explain such a negative set up. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 27, 2020 22:51:42 GMT
I think that’s harsh on the squad but the manager changed too much tonight. TOB is inconsistent which is fine for his age but on the other side Tymon is plainly throwing away his chance to reignite his career after putting himself back in the picture. Don’t think the defence were to blame as they were pretty much bombarded from minute one. I definitely don’t rate Fox though and Chester is Chester. Vokes and Brown are never going to win you football matches. Fox has been screwed tbf, he didn't come here to play wing back or center back. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 22:53:00 GMT
I think that’s harsh on the squad but the manager changed too much tonight. TOB is inconsistent which is fine for his age but on the other side Tymon is plainly throwing away his chance to reignite his career after putting himself back in the picture. Don’t think the defence were to blame as they were pretty much bombarded from minute one. I definitely don’t rate Fox though and Chester is Chester. Vokes and Brown are never going to win you football matches. If Clucas or Thompson were fit tonight I have no doubt he would have rested Mikel. Arguably he should have bought Cousins in but he's had very little football himself. And Powell is still carrying a knock which is why we ended up with the personnel we did. It didn't work, I'm sure MON knows that in hindsight and we move on to Rotherham.... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 22:55:18 GMT
I think that’s harsh on the squad but the manager changed too much tonight. TOB is inconsistent which is fine for his age but on the other side Tymon is plainly throwing away his chance to reignite his career after putting himself back in the picture. Don’t think the defence were to blame as they were pretty much bombarded from minute one. I definitely don’t rate Fox though and Chester is Chester. Vokes and Brown are never going to win you football matches. Fox has been screwed tbf, he didn't come here to play wing back or center back. You’re right but by the same token, I’ve seen plenty of him on that left side, with and without the ball and I’m not convinced 4 at the back would make him any better? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 22:59:52 GMT
I think that’s harsh on the squad but the manager changed too much tonight. TOB is inconsistent which is fine for his age but on the other side Tymon is plainly throwing away his chance to reignite his career after putting himself back in the picture. Don’t think the defence were to blame as they were pretty much bombarded from minute one. I definitely don’t rate Fox though and Chester is Chester. Vokes and Brown are never going to win you football matches. If Clucas or Thompson were fit tonight I have no doubt he would have rested Mikel. Arguably he should have bought Cousins in but he's had very little football himself. And Powell is still carrying a knock which is why we ended up with the personnel we did. It didn't work, I'm sure MON knows that in hindsight and we move on to Rotherham.... Tonight was genuinely awful for 90 minutes but the bigger picture is that that’s a thread bare Stoke City team without Clucas, Powell, Campbell and Fletcher. You could even add Allen and Shawcross to that list. I still question some of the decisions made by MON, mainly his choice of personnel, but still have every faith in the man. |
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Post by Billy the kid on Oct 27, 2020 23:03:16 GMT
I think that’s harsh on the squad but the manager changed too much tonight. TOB is inconsistent which is fine for his age but on the other side Tymon is plainly throwing away his chance to reignite his career after putting himself back in the picture. Don’t think the defence were to blame as they were pretty much bombarded from minute one. I definitely don’t rate Fox though and Chester is Chester. Vokes and Brown are never going to win you football matches. Nutshell |
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Post by george2again on Oct 27, 2020 23:03:51 GMT
Forgive me, but success comes from continuity, consistency and momentum of winning. Changing a winning team to a losing one week after week gives inconsistency. Prem teams get away with rotation because they have 10-15 million pound players on the bench, we have free transfers. It can't be done. Quote the old adage, Liverpool won the league title with 14 players in the 80's, winning keeps you fit and fresh. If MON doesn't change his approach the coliseum will turn on him. Not bothered if we lost tonight if we would had a go with our best 11. Personally, I saw team sheet and could not be bothered to even watch game on Sky it was so inevitable. Fox, Chester, Voakes should not be neat this team.
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Post by wakeypotter on Oct 27, 2020 23:05:54 GMT
First away defeat in 8, first goal conceded in 510 minutes. Why does he keep doing what sorry? Resting players that don’t need resting and not resting players that do need resting. If that was any other manager we had in the past he would have been hung drawn and quartered |
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