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Post by boweryboy on Oct 27, 2020 23:06:29 GMT
Six goals conceded in the last three games.. that's the bottom line,the defence needs continuity,it won't get that by continually changing the back line.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 23:08:49 GMT
First away defeat in 8, first goal conceded in 510 minutes. Why does he keep doing what sorry? Resting players that don’t need resting and not resting players that do need resting. If that was any other manager we had in the past he would have been hung drawn and quartered How do you know they didn't need resting? Have you got access to Clayton Wood and all the fitness stats? Why would any manager other than MON have got "hung. drawn and quartered?" Are you suggesting that somehow he gets an easy ride compared to our recent managers?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 27, 2020 23:10:06 GMT
Changes of players/formations (squad rotation) are part of the modern game;
1. opposition/tactics 2. number of consecutive games 3. injuries 4. out of form 5. physical/mental tiredness (especially youngsters) etc etc.
It up to those given a chance to make an impression, give the manager difficult decisions to make. Tonight those who came into the side let the manager and themselves down.
IMHO it only goes to prove that we have no more than a “very average” squad of players. A high percentage of which will not see the club anywhere near being a serious contender for success.
Seansea (on that performance) are not a strong contender for promotion which makes our performance even more unpalatable
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 23:11:36 GMT
Six goals conceded in the last three games.. that's the bottom line,the defence needs continuity,it won't get that by continually changing the back line. Collins was injured. Hard to have continuity in that respect.....
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Post by stokie1947 on Oct 27, 2020 23:15:34 GMT
always pick your best team bloody simple
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Post by chad on Oct 27, 2020 23:20:52 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Oct 27, 2020 23:22:52 GMT
Resting players that don’t need resting and not resting players that do need resting. If that was any other manager we had in the past he would have been hung drawn and quartered How do you know they didn't need resting? Have you got access to Clayton Wood and all the fitness stats? Why would any manager other than MON have got "hung. drawn and quartered?" Are you suggesting that somehow he gets an easy ride compared to our recent managers? In answer to your questions no I don’t have the stats but I think you can take a educated guess that Campbell, Powell,Fletcher and even Gregory or Ince who have not had as much game time as others. That team put out tonight was never going to do anything. Yes I am because he kept us up last year. My opinion is he is a average manager some of the football if you can call it that has been some of the worst I’ve seen in recent times
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 23:26:23 GMT
How do you know they didn't need resting? Have you got access to Clayton Wood and all the fitness stats? Why would any manager other than MON have got "hung. drawn and quartered?" Are you suggesting that somehow he gets an easy ride compared to our recent managers? In answer to your questions no I don’t have the stats but I think you can take a educated guess that Campbell, Powell,Fletcher and even Gregory or Ince who have not had as much game time as others. That team put out tonight was never going to do anything. Yes I am because he kept us up last year. My opinion is he is a average manager some of the football if you can call it that has been some of the worst I’ve seen in recent times He rotated against Villa and Wolves with Vokes up top and it worked a treat. And he played TOB and Tymon in midfield in at least one of those games. So it had worked previously, it didn't work tonight that much is clear but it's easy to understanding the rationale behind it......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2020 23:27:05 GMT
Six goals conceded in the last three games.. that's the bottom line,the defence needs continuity,it won't get that by continually changing the back line. Amazing what bringing James Chester into your back line can do.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 27, 2020 23:28:34 GMT
Six goals conceded in the last three games.. that's the bottom line,the defence needs continuity,it won't get that by continually changing the back line. Amazing what bringing James Chester into your back line can do. I’d prefer your nemesis Danny Batth coming in in the middle with Collins right and Souttar left
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Post by george2again on Oct 27, 2020 23:29:09 GMT
Have to say I’m getting a bit perplexed by these negative formations and changing personnel, just starting to get the gut ache I had for both Rowett and NJ had in their early stoke careers. Just bloody go for it with our best 11 and see where we’re at.coalesce must go on loan in January.
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Post by boweryboy on Oct 27, 2020 23:30:08 GMT
When did Baath get injured,to change the back line after the Luton game !!
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Post by wakeypotter on Oct 27, 2020 23:46:07 GMT
In answer to your questions no I don’t have the stats but I think you can take a educated guess that Campbell, Powell,Fletcher and even Gregory or Ince who have not had as much game time as others. That team put out tonight was never going to do anything. Yes I am because he kept us up last year. My opinion is he is a average manager some of the football if you can call it that has been some of the worst I’ve seen in recent times He rotated against Villa and Wolves with Vokes up top and it worked a treat. And he played TOB and Tymon in midfield in at least one of those games. So it had worked previously, it didn't work tonight that much is clear but it's easy to understanding the rationale behind it...... It is understanding to rest/rotate 1 or 2 a game but not 4. Wonder how many changes Swansea made. I’m sure too many changes will throw the team also. I think you said Powell was carrying a knock well he shouldn’t have been in th the squad could have had once or Gregory.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 23:47:48 GMT
He rotated against Villa and Wolves with Vokes up top and it worked a treat. And he played TOB and Tymon in midfield in at least one of those games. So it had worked previously, it didn't work tonight that much is clear but it's easy to understanding the rationale behind it...... It is understanding to rest/rotate 1 or 2 a game but not 4. Wonder how many changes Swansea made. I’m sure too many changes will throw the team also. I think you said Powell was carrying a knock well he shouldn’t have been in th the squad could have had once or Gregory. Collins and Thompson were forced changes......
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Post by kustokie on Oct 27, 2020 23:51:11 GMT
The problem is that we don't have the strength in depth in the squad to play 2 games a week. His thinking is to hold the better players back in the hope of securing the win over Rotherham at the weekend That's just plain rubbish - I bet we have the best squad (on paper) in the league. If MON is right and resting the players will reap rewards later I am looking forward to 23 wins on the trot in the 2nd half of the seson. What's wrong with playing your best team, getting high in the table then let the confidence and momentum keep you going. He has to rotate the players with 6 games in 14 days. Unfortunately the back-up players just aren’t good enough. This is still a rebuilding year.
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Post by blackpoolred on Oct 28, 2020 0:05:49 GMT
First away defeat in 8, first goal conceded in 510 minutes. Why does he keep doing what sorry? Going off the games this season: Millwall - defended ok, never looked like scoring at the other end Preston - Matter of time before they scored 11 v 11 would have probably scored at least a couple like Swansea tonight had they not lost a man - even then we were hanging on against 10 Luton - Appalling stats conceded nearly 20 goal attempts, loads of set pieces in dangerous areas, 16 corners - our goal led a charmed life and our goalie had to pull off two worldies Swansea - Conceding close to 20 goal attempts again - which is a shocking stat, god knows how many set pieces in dangerous areas including one 4 yeards out, they had one-on-ones rattled the woodwork and still scored two. At home yet to keep a clean sheet, conceding 2 in 3 of the four games. Defensively we have a choice of inexperience or journeymen and he has not changed that in 2 windows - in fact he has to stick the entire team behind the ball to try and protect it - which is detracting from us going forward For me we are heading in the wrong direction and not long before we get a spanking by somebody - if we continue with the stats we are churning out now - they are massively worse than they were last season under him - and stats are normally a good indicator of what is about to come and a better indicator of actual form.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 0:09:06 GMT
Amazing what bringing James Chester into your back line can do. I’d prefer your nemesis Danny Batth coming in in the middle with Collins right and Souttar left Batth can only really replace Souttar in a back three. Don't think Souttar is mobile enough to play left or right in this system.
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 28, 2020 5:46:42 GMT
I would rather have bamboo inserted into my urethra than watch that starting 11 attempt to play football again I know someone who can arrange this for you - discreet service, great value for money. They panda to your every need?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2020 7:14:27 GMT
Amazing what bringing James Chester into your back line can do. I’d prefer your nemesis Danny Batth coming in in the middle with Collins right and Souttar left I wouldn’t. I’m on the Wimmer express, next stop disappointment.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 28, 2020 8:10:36 GMT
First team: too unfit to play multiple games per week, repeatedly evidenced.
Reserve team: nowhere near good enough.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 28, 2020 8:11:30 GMT
Six goals conceded in the last three games.. that's the bottom line,the defence needs continuity,it won't get that by continually changing the back line. Collins was injured. Hard to have continuity in that respect..... Not suspended?
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Post by chad on Oct 28, 2020 8:45:26 GMT
Collins was injured. Hard to have continuity in that respect..... Not suspended? No the red card was rescinded
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 8:47:43 GMT
Collins was injured. Hard to have continuity in that respect..... Not suspended? Rescinded, he had a knock that kept him out....
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Post by biglad180 on Oct 28, 2020 9:11:32 GMT
after lastnights poor team selection i would like to know what the ambitions of the club are this season,are they just to make the numbers up, we all new before the kick off we had very little chance with the team ONeil picked, i wonder if Reading rested there best players, to get points you have to pick your strongest 11, then if you get beat at least you know we tried to have a go, very disapointed with the team chosen against nothing more than a decent championship team time to stop fucking about and play our best 11, if players get injured then rotate the team but not before,
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Post by potterburt on Oct 28, 2020 9:24:48 GMT
Woah, why is everyone wetting themselves so much??
The ferocity of some comments on here. - pahahaha!
Yeah, team didn’t work, we lost.
So many fans claiming MoN has no idea and that he MUST start what THEY deem as our ‘best team”.
None of you see and speak to the players day in day out, none of you train with them, none listen to professional physios, none sit in in-depth analysis of teams and players.
Some folk on here are the internet equivalent of being a grown adult stomping around in their underwear, crying and shouting like a toddler ‘I want the best team!’
Get a grip and try supporting our new team and nee manager that are trying to undo 5 years of negativity.
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Post by jannerstokie on Oct 28, 2020 9:25:59 GMT
Never change a winning side. Winning breeds confidence, confident players want to play. I always thought the idea of a strong squad was so you could always play your best side, then if injuries occur or suspensions you drop in your back up player. I do not like squad rotation at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 9:32:27 GMT
To get back to the original question it's as if having waited so long to have a quasi quality team on a daily basis, MON has to try out all the ideas in his manual. Instead of settling for a single system and a fairly settled team, barring injuries (which we seem to have a lot of).
It's not doing the players any good. Players that score are dropped for the next game(s), players that do poorly are first name on the team sheet (Chester), players that are coming into their own are then "rested" for several weeks.
At some point he will have to settle down on one single page in his manual.
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Post by potterburt on Oct 28, 2020 9:36:23 GMT
Never change a winning side. Winning breeds confidence, confident players want to play. I always thought the idea of a strong squad was so you could always play your best side, then if injuries occur or suspensions you drop in your back up player. I do not like squad rotation at all. But maybe change a winning side that were 3-0 up at half time and flagged and tired to almost concede a draw perhaps? Or possibly change a winning side with players that may be better suited to a certain tactic that albeit may not have worked orrr... individual players could not / did not manage to follow the tactical instructions given to them? Or maybe change a winning side based on in depth analaysis and professional medical advice that if those ‘winning’ players play they may pick up an injury? Or change a winning side because mentally there were other players that would adapt to a weird long trip to full lockdown South Wales on a dreary Tuesday? You say it as verbatim! As if no manager has ever change a team after a win?
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Post by Pirate on Oct 28, 2020 9:43:39 GMT
The most negative approach to a game since Mr P was here, that would have been him at his worst too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 9:57:30 GMT
Woah, why is everyone wetting themselves so much?? The ferocity of some comments on here. - pahahaha! Yeah, team didn’t work, we lost. So many fans claiming MoN has no idea and that he MUST start what THEY deem as our ‘best team”. None of you see and speak to the players day in day out, none of you train with them, none listen to professional physios, none sit in in-depth analysis of teams and players. Some folk on here are the internet equivalent of being a grown adult stomping around in their underwear, crying and shouting like a toddler ‘I want the best team!’ Get a grip and try supporting our new team and nee manager that are trying to undo 5 years of negativity. Exactly, it’s not about individual games these things happen. It’s about taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture and looking at whether we are progressing or not as a competitive team in this division. And we are, but we are absolutely in transition, MON needs another few windows to turn the squad around and that’s all against a FFP backdrop. Patience is required......
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