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Post by Claus_SCFC on Oct 29, 2020 10:58:14 GMT
I was going to say Keith Scott, but we managed to swap him for Mike Sheron so there was a positive to him as well
Imagine swapping Vokes for … errr … anybody?
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 29, 2020 11:01:14 GMT
I don't like this public slagging off of our players, but because I'm bored - Jese? Guidetti? Owen? Also most of our players that aren't strikers are probably worse strikers than vokes too The problem is those players you mention played in only a handful of games between them (less than 20 between the 3 of them) In other words their presence didn't make much difference to what was going on. We have had to endure over 50 games with Vokes in the team with seemingly more to come and he cost £9m
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Post by spud on Oct 29, 2020 11:38:06 GMT
I don't like this public slagging off of our players, but because I'm bored - Jese? Guidetti? Owen? Also most of our players that aren't strikers are probably worse strikers than vokes too The problem is those players you mention played in only a handful of games between them (less than 20 between the 3 of them) In other words their presence didn't make much difference to what was going on. We have had to endure over 50 games with Vokes in the team with seemingly more to come and he cost £9m That is a fair point to be honest mate re game time - i can't believe vokes has had 50 games, wow time flies
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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 29, 2020 11:53:45 GMT
David Xausa ??
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Post by Northy on Oct 29, 2020 14:06:09 GMT
he only played 1 game for us and that was under Kamara, hard to judge, but as he was rejected by Vale just before joining us, shows how low we had fallen.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 29, 2020 14:33:57 GMT
Awful signing (which many stated at the time!)
He’s as bad as we’ve had for 30 years
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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 29, 2020 14:36:35 GMT
he only played 1 game for us and that was under Kamara, hard to judge, but as he was rejected by Vale just before joining us, shows how low we had fallen. One game was enough!!
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Post by callas12 on Oct 29, 2020 15:08:13 GMT
Has Allan Smart had a mention yet?!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 29, 2020 15:29:43 GMT
We have most likely had loads of strikers on trail who were crap, but still better than Vokes.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Oct 29, 2020 15:58:08 GMT
Kyle lightweight and Berahino for me ...although to be honest it wasn’t easy ..so many to choose from 😀
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Post by carruthers1on1 on Oct 29, 2020 16:11:06 GMT
I always remember seeing Vokes on MOTD or Goals on Sunday quite a few years ago when he was playing for Wolves and thinking what an absolutely awful player he was - couldn't run, couldn't win headers, couldn't hold the ball up, couldn't bring other players into the game, and to top it off he missed two absolute sitters. I also saw a couple of his "performances" when he played for Burnley and it was pretty much the same woeful stuff. I wondered how someone so apparently utterly unsuited to being a professional footballer had managed to become a professional footballer and was really pleased that he wasn't a Stoke player. Imagine my delight when several years later he signed for Stoke. I see Kyle Lightbourne has been mentioned, what about Martin Carruthers - he was pretty woeful wasn't he ? As for John Tudor, I saw him score two goals early in his debut for us and thought we'd signed a goal machine, and then he did absolutely nothing the rest of the time he was with us. It was a while before I realised Carruthers name was Martin, I could've sworn it was ferfuxache prior to that. He must hold the record for missing the most one on one's for us, to be fair at least he had the pace to put himself in those positions I suppose. I really believed as a naïve 13 year old that if he could just score one of them it'd be the making of him. He couldn't...
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Post by superalexneil on Oct 29, 2020 16:36:27 GMT
Can anyone believe we paid 9m for this joker
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Post by superalexneil on Oct 29, 2020 16:37:12 GMT
Afobe, Berahino, Choupo Moting.... Afobe and choupo better players deffo
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 29, 2020 16:55:15 GMT
I was going to say Keith Scott, but we managed to swap him for Mike Sheron so there was a positive to him as well Imagine swapping Vokes for … errr … anybody? Shezza's about 50 now but I'd still swap him for Vokes.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 29, 2020 17:03:40 GMT
Pretty much a 20-a-season man in his 2 previous seasons in this league for Burnley. And he managed 12 in the Prem as recently as 2017
Mystifying what he's become.
£7m...you really could weep
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 29, 2020 17:20:04 GMT
Pretty much a 20-a-season man in his 2 previous seasons in this league for Burnley. And he managed 12 in the Prem as recently as 2017 Mystifying what he's become. £7m...you really could weep Who did he play with when he scored those goals? They must have been amazing.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 29, 2020 17:29:21 GMT
Pretty much a 20-a-season man in his 2 previous seasons in this league for Burnley. And he managed 12 in the Prem as recently as 2017 Mystifying what he's become. £7m...you really could weep Who did he play with when he scored those goals? They must have been amazing. Certainly seems to have good partnerships in those seasons 13/14 Champ Vokes 21, Ings 26 15/16 Champ Vokes 16, Andre Gray 23 16/17 Prem Vokes 12, Gray 10
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Post by wearepremierleague on Oct 29, 2020 17:38:48 GMT
I’ve never seen a striker so bad at directing a flick on. Not once do they go to a stoke player, May aswell let the defender head it and pick up the loose ball.
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Post by Miles Offside on Oct 29, 2020 17:54:28 GMT
From what I've seen of Vokes, he does next to nothing outside the box, but is a reasonable finisher when he gets on the end of a chance in the box.
Not worth anything like what we paid for him. Bench option at best.
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Post by st3mark on Oct 30, 2020 10:25:05 GMT
I’m not trying to overly defend Vokes because I was also left very angered by what I perceived as a very lacklustre performance from him where I thought he offered absolutely nothing.
Claiming that he is one of our worst ever forwards is also far from accurate as well. This is a player who has played at the highest level.
Vokes scored a bag full at this level for Burnley - I bet not a single one of those goals game in a 532 or a 434 and I’ll be surprised if many of them came in your typical 4231 or 433 either. He had a manager who wanted him, who used a tactic that played to his strengths (whatever they are). Personally I can only see Vokes scoring a large volume of goals in a 442 where he doesn’t have to do anything other than stand on the penalty spot and wait for either a winger to cross it or his strike partner to create some space in the box.
Another recent example of players who scored a bag full elsewhere is Afobe. Undoubted quality. You’d have to be football blind to not see it. But if he’s the kind of player who can play up top on his own I’ll eat my own arse. In the right system though he’s proved that he’s a goalscorer.
If you don’t play to the strengths of your players they won’t score goals. Are Vokes, Afobe, Berahino, Ince, Choupo, and other recent disappointments all shit or are we shit? They’ve all performed elsewhere.
The problem currently is that MON has inherited a bunch of transfer flops from Rowett and Jones. Vokes probably wouldn’t even be here. He’s gone for Fletcher who can do everything Vokes can do and lots more. He’s done a fantastic job turning us from relegation fodder to top half by spending 1.98m this summer and boothe and Thompson for nominal fees last January. My hope is that like all human beings who have made a mistake he’s seen Vokes is useless in a 532 and never goes near that system again with him involved in it.
Up the mighty potters. Right back near the top 6 by 5pm sat! The relegation crocodile is nowhere to be seen.
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Post by walstoke on Oct 30, 2020 12:56:49 GMT
Ian Alinson!
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Post by madnellie on Oct 30, 2020 14:53:53 GMT
The problem is those players you mention played in only a handful of games between them (less than 20 between the 3 of them) In other words their presence didn't make much difference to what was going on. We have had to endure over 50 games with Vokes in the team with seemingly more to come and he cost £9m That is a fair point to be honest mate re game time - i can't believe vokes has had 50 games, wow time flies I thought the same. He's played over 50 games for us and I don't miss many, yet I can barely remember watching him. Does he actually do anything at all?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 30, 2020 18:36:15 GMT
That is a fair point to be honest mate re game time - i can't believe vokes has had 50 games, wow time flies I thought the same. He's played over 50 games for us and I don't miss many, yet I can barely remember watching him. Does he actually do anything at all? Every now and again he’ll put his head on a cross as though he’s clearing a corner. It’s the only time you see him. When the camera cuts to him running it looks like someone who’s started the couch to 5k after being furloughed for 3 months
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2020 19:04:25 GMT
Who did he play with when he scored those goals? They must have been amazing. Certainly seems to have good partnerships in those seasons 13/14 Champ Vokes 21, Ings 26 15/16 Champ Vokes 16, Andre Gray 23 16/17 Prem Vokes 12, Gray 10 He's had a very, very, odd career. The amount of sub appearances in his league starts is phenomenally high 230 (195) So 45% of his entire league appearances have been from the bench. That's not normal for a front line striker is it? That possibly makes his overall goal scoring record OK at 1 in 4.5 games but suggests he's never been consistently first choice at any club he's ever been at. The ultimate conclusion though is that whoever sanctioned the money paid for him should be hung, drawn, quartered and sent back to Blackburn with his undeserved severance package!
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Post by teanstoke on Oct 30, 2020 19:30:53 GMT
Terrible terrible striker But have we had worse? 1863
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 30, 2020 20:51:42 GMT
Pretty much a 20-a-season man in his 2 previous seasons in this league for Burnley. And he managed 12 in the Prem as recently as 2017 Mystifying what he's become. £7m...you really could weep Who did he play with when he scored those goals? They must have been amazing. Nothing wrong with the process which identified him in managerial change
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2020 22:19:57 GMT
I’m not trying to overly defend Vokes because I was also left very angered by what I perceived as a very lacklustre performance from him where I thought he offered absolutely nothing. Claiming that he is one of our worst ever forwards is also far from accurate as well. This is a player who has played at the highest level. Vokes scored a bag full at this level for Burnley - I bet not a single one of those goals game in a 532 or a 434 and I’ll be surprised if many of them came in your typical 4231 or 433 either. He had a manager who wanted him, who used a tactic that played to his strengths (whatever they are). Personally I can only see Vokes scoring a large volume of goals in a 442 where he doesn’t have to do anything other than stand on the penalty spot and wait for either a winger to cross it or his strike partner to create some space in the box. Another recent example of players who scored a bag full elsewhere is Afobe. Undoubted quality. You’d have to be football blind to not see it. But if he’s the kind of player who can play up top on his own I’ll eat my own arse. In the right system though he’s proved that he’s a goalscorer. If you don’t play to the strengths of your players they won’t score goals. Are Vokes, Afobe, Berahino, Ince, Choupo, and other recent disappointments all shit or are we shit? They’ve all performed elsewhere. The problem currently is that MON has inherited a bunch of transfer flops from Rowett and Jones. Vokes probably wouldn’t even be here. He’s gone for Fletcher who can do everything Vokes can do and lots more. He’s done a fantastic job turning us from relegation fodder to top half by spending 1.98m this summer and boothe and Thompson for nominal fees last January. My hope is that like all human beings who have made a mistake he’s seen Vokes is useless in a 532 and never goes near that system again with him involved in it. Up the mighty potters. Right back near the top 6 by 5pm sat! The relegation crocodile is nowhere to be seen. The only problem I have with what you say is Afobe being a goal scorer, I'm not sure where this comes form but his goal scoring isn't the best imo. Oh and MON inherited a very good basis of a squad that has been poorly managed and should have been doing much better with a manger that played to their strengths.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2020 22:21:03 GMT
Certainly seems to have good partnerships in those seasons 13/14 Champ Vokes 21, Ings 26 15/16 Champ Vokes 16, Andre Gray 23 16/17 Prem Vokes 12, Gray 10 He's had a very, very, odd career. The amount of sub appearances in his league starts is phenomenally high 230 (195) So 45% of his entire league appearances have been from the bench. That's not normal for a front line striker is it? That possibly makes his overall goal scoring record OK at 1 in 4.5 games but suggests he's never been consistently first choice at any club he's ever been at. The ultimate conclusion though is that whoever sanctioned the money paid for him should be hung, drawn, quartered and sent back to Blackburn with his undeserved severance package! Jones has already gone, I'm not sure we can actually hang him for it though
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Oct 31, 2020 7:54:07 GMT
Kitson doesn't deserve to be mentioned alongside some of these names. He didn't do much for us, but was a decent PL striker being asked to do a job he really wasn't suited to. I get that people think he's a bit of a twat, and some of the stuff he's said about us isn't exactly complimentary, but ability wise he's nowhere near some of the truly, truly awful strikers we've had. Keith Scott, Dave Bamber and Vincent Pericard are at the absolute pinnacle of shite that I've seen in my lifetime. Anybody who saw those three strutting their stuff would think Vokes looks like Alan shearer in comparison. Agree re Kitson and the three you mention, and I would add Gayle, Regis, Dadason, Crowe......
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Post by Silkystoke on Oct 31, 2020 8:02:12 GMT
Paul Stewart ... I think that’s the correct spelling.. fat useless fuck, show me a video of him running..!!!!
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