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Post by stokie1947 on Oct 23, 2020 7:35:44 GMT
5- the bloke is far too negative at home
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Oct 23, 2020 8:18:23 GMT
Until crowds are back, home/away comments are pretty redundant.
It was refreshing to see a Stoke manager make good, positive changes after the red card. We've been awful at using subs for as long as I can remember but we actually looked more like winning after the red on Wednesday.
But... we were second best to probably inferior players for most of it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 23, 2020 8:53:46 GMT
Until crowds are back, home/away comments are pretty redundant. It was refreshing to see a Stoke manager make good, positive changes after the red card. We've been awful at using subs for as long as I can remember but we actually looked more like winning after the red on Wednesday. But... we were second best to probably inferior players for most of it. 6 I keep hearing that home/away is redundant and people keep producing stats, but...are we sure that's the case? 1) 'Home advantage' is about more than just the presence of fans. It doesn't vanish with no supporters there. It's a territory more familiar to you and this will often breed confidence for the hosts and sap it for the away side. 2) Whatever the outcomes, most teams, as far as I can see, are approaching home and away games in a very similar way to 'the before times'. Away sides try to keep things tighter and frustrate the hosts and pinch something on the break. There's a reason why the tactics we've been using have been productive away but not at home. It isn't a coincidence.
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Post by LankyPotter on Oct 23, 2020 9:05:12 GMT
5 from me. Several players under performed but the system he sets up plays a large part in that. I really don't know why he persists with it at home. He redeemed himself somewhat in the second half but it was the sending off which forced him into making the change. Just to put it out there, what if some players just had a bad game and it may not be anything to do with the system.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 23, 2020 9:14:34 GMT
5 from me. Several players under performed but the system he sets up plays a large part in that. I really don't know why he persists with it at home. He redeemed himself somewhat in the second half but it was the sending off which forced him into making the change. Just to put it out there, what if some players just had a bad game and it may not be anything to do with the system. They're having bad games in incredibly similar ways involving incredibly similar problems in successive home games in that case?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 23, 2020 9:30:10 GMT
Until crowds are back, home/away comments are pretty redundant. It was refreshing to see a Stoke manager make good, positive changes after the red card. We've been awful at using subs for as long as I can remember but we actually looked more like winning after the red on Wednesday. But... we were second best to probably inferior players for most of it. 6 I keep hearing that home/away is redundant and people keep producing stats, but...are we sure that's the case? 1) 'Home advantage' is about more than just the presence of fans. It doesn't vanish with no supporters there. It's a territory more familiar to you and this will often breed confidence for the hosts and sap it for the away side. 2) Whatever the outcomes, most teams, as far as I can see, are approaching home and away games in a very similar way to 'the before times'. Away sides try to keep things tighter and frustrate the hosts and pinch something on the break. There's a reason why the tactics we've been using have been productive away but not at home. It isn't a coincidence. Aren't the stats suggesting that home advantage is much lower in empty stadia than it was when fans were allowed in? I'm not saying that there is no longer ANY bias in favour of home teams but it does seem much less - and I strongly suspect that we will not be the only club to find their normal home and away form is either less pronounced or even reversed.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 23, 2020 9:35:50 GMT
I keep hearing that home/away is redundant and people keep producing stats, but...are we sure that's the case? 1) 'Home advantage' is about more than just the presence of fans. It doesn't vanish with no supporters there. It's a territory more familiar to you and this will often breed confidence for the hosts and sap it for the away side. 2) Whatever the outcomes, most teams, as far as I can see, are approaching home and away games in a very similar way to 'the before times'. Away sides try to keep things tighter and frustrate the hosts and pinch something on the break. There's a reason why the tactics we've been using have been productive away but not at home. It isn't a coincidence. Aren't the stats suggesting that home advantage is much lower in empty stadia than it was when fans were allowed in? I'm not saying that there is no longer ANY bias in favour of home teams but it does seem much less - and I strongly suspect that we will not be the only club to find their normal home and away form is either less pronounced or even reversed. I dare say it's been reduced, I don't accept the idea peddled by some that it's been eradicated. And it's worth noting that our home form post-lockdown to the end of the season was, Middlesbrough aside, absolutely fine.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 23, 2020 10:04:24 GMT
-2 for playing Chester. -3 for playing too negative.
So 5.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Oct 23, 2020 10:38:52 GMT
Aren't the stats suggesting that home advantage is much lower in empty stadia than it was when fans were allowed in? I'm not saying that there is no longer ANY bias in favour of home teams but it does seem much less - and I strongly suspect that we will not be the only club to find their normal home and away form is either less pronounced or even reversed. I dare say it's been reduced, I don't accept the idea peddled by some that it's been eradicated. And it's worth noting that our home form post-lockdown to the end of the season was, Middlesbrough aside, absolutely fine. There is still an expectation for teams to do well at home, which players are no doubt conscious of. There could therefore be increased pressure to win but without the actual advantage that merits it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 23, 2020 10:51:14 GMT
I dare say it's been reduced, I don't accept the idea peddled by some that it's been eradicated. And it's worth noting that our home form post-lockdown to the end of the season was, Middlesbrough aside, absolutely fine. There is still an expectation for teams to do well at home, which players are no doubt conscious of. There could therefore be increased pressure to win but without the actual advantage that merits it. Yep, and away teams still seem to be setting up like 'away teams'. Few of them are turning up and going for the jugular.
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Post by Miles Offside on Oct 23, 2020 11:03:35 GMT
MON has a lot of credit in the bank with me for the way he saved us last season, but I wished he'd set us up better at home.
I've never liked the idea of wing-backs. They're neither wingers nor full-backs.
And he had Powell spending too much time on the left wing, particularly in the first half.
5 from me.
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Post by greystokie on Oct 23, 2020 14:55:26 GMT
5 from me. Several players under performed but the system he sets up plays a large part in that. I really don't know why he persists with it at home. He redeemed himself somewhat in the second half but it was the sending off which forced him into making the change. Just to put it out there, what if some players just had a bad game and it may not be anything to do with the system. I don't discount the possibility. Were you thinking of any in particular whose poor play wasn't, in large part, due to the system and who continued to underperform after the sending off and the re-jigging of the line up?
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 23, 2020 14:57:42 GMT
4 for me - the number of players that should be playing in our defence at home....and also the number of goals we scored at Barnsley in his first game in charge when we really went for it against them.
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