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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 20, 2020 15:14:38 GMT
Sorry Sal you snooze you lose a bit like Stoke today. 4 from me a poor defensive formation that he never looked like changing even when we looked like we had zero threat or zero pace or zero creativity. Fox looked awful, Mikel not much better, Powell should have been subbed and the defense was back to it's shit worst again. Zero chances on target and zero chances created. It was fucking awful to watch and painful to take. Gouranga.  |
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Post by liathroid on Sept 20, 2020 15:17:31 GMT
Sorry Sal you snooze you lose a bit like Stoke today. 4 from me a poor defensive formation that he never looked like changing even when we looked like we had zero threat or zero pace or zero creativity. Fox looked awful, Mikel not much better, Powell should have been subbed and the defense was back to it's shit worst again. Zero chances on target and zero chances created. It was fucking awful to watch and painful to take. Gouranga. Sal loves O"Neill nothing you can do or say will stop the love  |
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Post by nott1 on Sept 20, 2020 15:21:05 GMT
Can't be arsed!
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 20, 2020 15:21:52 GMT
5
Tactically out done and wrong team selection
However Bristol are better side than us, saying that so are most teams in the division
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Post by thehoof on Sept 20, 2020 15:22:03 GMT
2- he didn’t inject any urgency into the system at half time, when it was clear that 5 at the back was leaving us woefully short of any attacking intent.
If Fletcher can’t do more than 45 minutes, start him and at least try and get ahead. Vokes has offered nothing in the 100 or so minutes he’s been on the pitch.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 20, 2020 15:22:04 GMT
1
Awful performance and no wide players on the bench for a plan B we badly needed. Lumping it up the pitch and battling for second balls for 90 minutes isn't good enough.
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Post by datguy on Sept 20, 2020 15:22:17 GMT
0.
Brought it on himself. Awful performance and I could’ve told you that before KO.
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 20, 2020 15:23:37 GMT
0, no positives at all.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 20, 2020 15:23:57 GMT
Pretty poor. 1 goal in 3 games says it al.
Hopefully he learned a lot.
1. Don’t change a winning team
2. Replace Powell with last season’s top scorer in a position where he can score goals
3. Start Tymon next to Mikkel, instead of Clucas.
4. Start Fletcher even if he can’t last 90 min. I’d rather take him off after 60 min when we’re ahead rather than when we’re level or behind
5. Drop Campbell from the bench and replace him with McClean.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 15:26:10 GMT
0.
The back five didn't work against Blackpool or Millwall. It is stifling any and every ounce of creativity we've got.
Why persist with something that clearly isn't working?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 15:29:10 GMT
0. Absolutely pathetic starting 11. Tried to change the personnel when it was clear the formation wasn’t working. I still want Chester out of this club
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 20, 2020 15:29:20 GMT
5 for bringing Fletcher on early. -5 for not starting Fletcher. 0/10
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Post by franklin on Sept 20, 2020 15:30:56 GMT
Sadly 0 from today its all on him that shite display.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 20, 2020 15:33:16 GMT
2/10.
Wrong setup, wrong attitude and zero creativity. Nothing to really base a defence on, he just got it totally wrong. Concession given because it's the second game of the season
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 20, 2020 15:33:44 GMT
5 There was an inevitability about the whole performance which you could spot in the first 10 or 15 minutes. Bristol had the players and the formation to nullify everything that we threw at them. MON deserved the defeat for approaching the game as if it was an away game. Bristol are a decent side but not world beating and we should have played with more pace and in an attacking formation from the start. Once we went behind we never really looked like turning things round. That's the first game for a while where I was glad I watched it on a stream rather than being there.  |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 20, 2020 15:36:51 GMT
0 - very poor today Michael I'm afraid...
We were getting absolutely nowhere with the formation we were playing, and all we did to correct it, was throw subs on!!!
Should have given it more thought Michael and swapped a few things round!!!
They didn't really press us as much in the second half, but we didn't offer anything in return, so, a change in formation is the least you could have tried!!!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2020 15:37:16 GMT
3 Today proved that 3 centre halves at home doesn’t work and I’d imagine O’Neill will change it for future home games but I have a feeling he’s the stubborn type so it might not happen straight away
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 20, 2020 15:38:34 GMT
6 for me - Brizzle were a better team, we tried but were not good enough - reality check for some of our more deluded supporters. As for the commentators on the live stream I have no idea what planet they are on - we need to be winning these types of games if we are to win the league was one of their quotes today. We had a squad of players that struggled to stay in the division last year and I would therefore like the commentators to tell us who we have added to our squad that makes them think we are suddenly going to win the league  Defensively we are always going to struggle against teams who move the ball quickly like that and also have pace to go with it. We dont look to have the players to play that formation also. We have enough in our ranks to avoid a relegation scrap providing we dont pick up injuries, particularly in defensive areas and we look a well organised team that just lacks a bit of quality all over the pitch. We need Allen back and Campbell needs to start firing |
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Sept 20, 2020 15:38:37 GMT
2
I think with that starting line up, if the game went badly he was always going to get some stick for the defensive set up. Might have gotten away with it if we won 1-0 from a set piece goal. Players today were very average but they were set up to lose
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 20, 2020 15:39:02 GMT
3
Hope this is a blip and not a sign of things to come.
After wolves i was feeling mega optimistic but that team and that performance wiped away any optimism.
Dreadful all round and that has to fall at the manager's feet.
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 20, 2020 15:42:21 GMT
0. Players not arsed, manager and tactics ensured a negative, hopeless performance. An extension of Millwall for me, I thought we were leaving in that game and the lack of width, tactics, attacking intent continued. Diabolical today
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 20, 2020 15:45:56 GMT
0 just picked up off the lawn from the dog , same as our performance
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 20, 2020 15:48:31 GMT
5 There was an inevitability about the whole performance which you could spot in the first 10 or 15 minutes. Bristol had the players and the formation to nullify everything that we threw at them. MON deserved the defeat for approaching the game as if it was an away game. Bristol are a decent side but not world beating and we should have played with more pace and in an attacking formation from the start. Once we went behind we never really looked like turning things round. That's the first game for a while where I was glad I watched it on a stream rather than being there. To be honest what is the difference between a home and away match without fans? Bristol didn't play like an away team until they were in front. I don't mind us being hard to score against - if we don't concede we are guaranteed a point and only need to score once. What I do object to is not being able to pass to each other and watching the opposition being able to pass their way through us. What has happened to our well worked set pieces? Seven corners none of which looked remotely dangerous. And allegedly we had 27 crosses? I can't remember one dangerous one. |
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Post by Lawto on Sept 20, 2020 15:51:03 GMT
3
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Post by onepara on Sept 20, 2020 15:56:30 GMT
0 from me.
He's the worst type of Manager. A cautious one. Like I've said elsewhere, he plays for the point that he starts with, & hopes for 3. It rubs off on the players. Needs a rocket up his behind. It's alright being that type of Manager Internationally, but he needs to understand that the Stoke following demand a bit of passion in the play. He strangles it out of the team.
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 20, 2020 16:01:55 GMT
0.
It was clear very quickly that the system and personnel he picked weren’t going to work but did very little throughout the course of the game to try and alter that.
It was pretty clear that our only plan was to hit Vokes/Fletcher early and play off them. We’ve got some good players at this level and to serve up those kind of tactics at home against an average side is inexcusable.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 20, 2020 16:02:22 GMT
5 There was an inevitability about the whole performance which you could spot in the first 10 or 15 minutes. Bristol had the players and the formation to nullify everything that we threw at them. MON deserved the defeat for approaching the game as if it was an away game. Bristol are a decent side but not world beating and we should have played with more pace and in an attacking formation from the start. Once we went behind we never really looked like turning things round. That's the first game for a while where I was glad I watched it on a stream rather than being there. To be honest what is the difference between a home and away match without fans? Bristol didn't play like an away team until they were in front. I don't mind us being hard to score against - if we don't concede we are guaranteed a point and only need to score once. What I do object to is not being able to pass to each other and watching the opposition being able to pass their way through us. What has happened to our well worked set pieces? Seven corners none of which looked remotely dangerous. And allegedly we had 27 crosses? I can't remember one dangerous one. I haven't checked the stats of games played since lock down so I can't comment on whether fans make that much of a difference or not. But the fact is that we put out a defensive formation (given that Fox is no way an attacking wing back) against a decent but not great team in a must win game. If we'd had Brown and Tymon as wing backs it would possibly have rated as an attacking formation. Trouble is with Chester and Batth in the back 3 I'm not surprised he didn't risk Brown and Tymon as his wing backs. Given the must win nature of the game 4231 would probably have been a better choice of formation. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 20, 2020 16:03:14 GMT
Have to say I agree with his full time analysis. Technically our attacking players were abysmal in the first 15 minutes - that's not his fault - which handed Bristol the initiative. Having kept ourselves in the match our game management gifted them a goal on the stroke of half time. Powell and Clucas have to find their form themselves, apart from giving them analysis of their performance there is little the coaches can do.
My opinion is that the Bristol players looked like a far more professional bunch than ours but as MON said the referee has to take some responsibility for the way they were allowed to manage the game. Again there is little the Stoke coaches or players can do.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 20, 2020 16:09:09 GMT
I haven't checked the stats of games played since lock down so I can't comment on whether fans make that much of a difference or not. But the fact is that we put out a defensive formation (given that Fox is no way an attacking wing back) against a decent but not great team in a must win game. If we'd had Brown and Tymon as wing backs it would possibly have rated as an attacking formation. Trouble is with Chester and Batth in the back 3 I'm not surprised he didn't risk Brown and Tymon as his wing backs. Given the must win nature of the game 4231 would probably have been a better choice of formation. I posted a link yesterday to a Bristol newspaper's analysis of the way Stoke play. It said that if the wing backs push up there is a lot of space outwide because the 3 central defenders don't like to cover wide so I think that might be your answer. In the end we have got to choose two defenders and go for 4 4 2. My choice would be 2 from Shawcross, Souttar and Collins. |
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Post by potterfox1011 on Sept 20, 2020 16:15:03 GMT
Have to say I agree with his full time analysis. Technically our attacking players were abysmal in the first 15 minutes - that's not his fault - which handed Bristol the initiative. Having kept ourselves in the match our game management gifted them a goal on the stroke of half time. Powell and Clucas have to find their form themselves, apart from giving them analysis of their performance there is little the coaches can do. My opinion is that the Bristol players looked like a far more professional bunch than ours but as MON said the referee has to take some responsibility for the way they were allowed to manage the game. Again there is little the Stoke coaches or players can do. |
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