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Post by potterfox1011 on Sept 20, 2020 16:15:13 GMT
Have to say I agree with his full time analysis. Technically our attacking players were abysmal in the first 15 minutes - that's not his fault - which handed Bristol the initiative. Having kept ourselves in the match our game management gifted them a goal on the stroke of half time. Powell and Clucas have to find their form themselves, apart from giving them analysis of their performance there is little the coaches can do. My opinion is that the Bristol players looked like a far more professional bunch than ours but as MON said the referee has to take some responsibility for the way they were allowed to manage the game. Again there is little the Stoke coaches or players can do.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2020 16:17:04 GMT
A really bad day at the office, hopefully he's woken up to a few things. 2/10
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 20, 2020 16:22:52 GMT
Have to say I agree with his full time analysis. Technically our attacking players were abysmal in the first 15 minutes - that's not his fault - which handed Bristol the initiative. Having kept ourselves in the match our game management gifted them a goal on the stroke of half time. Powell and Clucas have to find their form themselves, apart from giving them analysis of their performance there is little the coaches can do. My opinion is that the Bristol players looked like a far more professional bunch than ours but as MON said the referee has to take some responsibility for the way they were allowed to manage the game. Again there is little the Stoke coaches or players can do. For a bright bloke he does have some blindspots Burton and Blackpool showed what might happen
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Post by potterfox1011 on Sept 20, 2020 16:22:55 GMT
he picks bathh chester mikel so no pace and his only tactic is to lump the the ball to the useless vokes.against wolves we had a team who passed the ball around and played as a team with youngsters who had pace and energy ,surely they have to be stokes future not this durge that MON seems intent on giving us
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Post by brizzlestokie on Sept 20, 2020 16:28:03 GMT
3, think 2 and below has to be reserved for when we get smashed.
Think we all agree that it was clear before the game that the set-up was far too defensive. It was the sort of lineup that we can only justify fielding in really tough away games where a draw would be a great result. Only four attacking outfield players at home against a borderline playoff team isn't good enough.
Seems odd how 4-2-3-1 seems to have gone out the window when we scored so many at home last season playing that formation and our squad appears to really suit it.
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Post by peterpan1 on Sept 20, 2020 16:30:27 GMT
1/10 I really don't understand why change a winning formula. He's made all the wrong decisions today. The momentum everyone bangs on about as being so important has well and truly evaporated today.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 20, 2020 16:32:10 GMT
He deserved a 10 v Wolves for the way we played and won.
So on that score he deserves 0 today. Awful set up,awful result.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 20, 2020 16:40:08 GMT
2.
Fox is worse at WB than BMI. Chester should be nowgere near the team. Failure to inspire any urgency at all.
From the 9.5 I'd give for Thursday to a generous 2 for today.
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Post by Kpsje on Sept 20, 2020 16:52:32 GMT
same as the shots on target a big fat second best in all departments.
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Sept 20, 2020 16:57:17 GMT
This is all MON fault. Do not blame the players. He need to pick the right system and the right players for this match. 3-5-2 with 5 defenders at home ground says it all. A system like this you would maybe use against Liverpool away.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 17:13:16 GMT
The players were bad from the off, but this one was down to O'Neill. I'm happy enough with 3-5-2 when its working, but when it doesn't this happens. Fletcher can't get fit fast enough and Chester and Batth didn't cover themselves in glory for either goal. Good thing that the squad as a whole seems up for it and there are players vying for some key positions.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 20, 2020 17:14:34 GMT
3 - and that's generous. Way too cautious at home,we let them play their game, at which, they are better than us. Back to the sort of performances after the lock down. Very disappointed,
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 20, 2020 17:17:06 GMT
4 Yes he was cautious at home but we'd have got battered with that performance with 2 at the back.
Too many players not firing and he needs to find an answer.
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 20, 2020 17:17:39 GMT
3 Shouldn't be starting Vokes as far as I'm concerned ( although gets a little credit for subbing him during the break ) and unusually wasn't able to motivate the team at halftime. Poor set up too, with no viable plan B.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 17:38:14 GMT
Let's not pretend he didn't *cause* the shit performance. he's mainly responsible - the players in this entire squad couldve turned them over, they werent that good.
3 for me: 1 for bringing Fletcher on 1 for bringing Tymon on and 1 for bringing Campbell on.
Really negative set up, almost no attacking intent, as many have already mentioned 5 at the back AND mikel??
The defence that started against wolves are what we need to stick with - but he won't do it because he'll make himself look a cunt for signing Chester.
Really really shoddy.
(Also Clucas a captain? in what world????)
Pathetic.
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Post by chad on Sept 20, 2020 17:54:26 GMT
Every time he picks that cart horse Vokes he’s getting 0 from me
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Post by Fred Ferret on Sept 20, 2020 18:05:21 GMT
2 - negative approach, suggesting a lack of courage and motivation by the team and MON.
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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 20, 2020 21:57:12 GMT
Cheers Albs.
Way too negative at home. I've no idea if we could have played better than v Milwall, no-one seemed confident enough to try. It was like something choked the lads today. Above all tho MoN was badly outthought by a visiting manager - Brizzle are a decent side but never should be two goals better than us at home.
A generous 4
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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 20, 2020 22:19:21 GMT
Sorry Sal you snooze you lose a bit like Stoke today. 4 from me a poor defensive formation that he never looked like changing even when we looked like we had zero threat or zero pace or zero creativity. Fox looked awful, Mikel not much better, Powell should have been subbed and the defense was back to it's shit worst again. Zero chances on target and zero chances created. It was fucking awful to watch and painful to take. Gouranga. Sal loves O"Neill nothing you can do or say will stop the love Wouldn't be so sure about that tonight
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Post by skip on Sept 21, 2020 0:23:13 GMT
A generous 2 from me. The starting XI and formation befuddled me before kick off. I fell asleep at half time and woke up half an hour later and we were still sluggish and accident prone. Dire really.
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Post by Stoke711 on Sept 21, 2020 0:46:24 GMT
2 - wrong tactics, wrong team. We offered absolutely nothing. Made no attempt to change things up, we just swapped like for like, even though cleary this wasn't working and we were creating nothing.
We were the home team and didn't even try to win a football game. Unacceptable to not go out and try to beat every single team at home in this league.
At one nil down, we still had no urgency, there was no drive, no leadership to try and get us back into the game.
At two nil, Bristol City were still running around closing us down, we were still walking around like it was a nice day out with the kids at the park.
Vokes doesn't suit 5-3-2 or 3-5-2 or whatever you want to call it as he has zero mobility. Fox hasn't got a clue how to get forward and support an attack. Powell cannot play in the midfield 3.
If he wants to play his formation then play the players who can play it. With our complete lack of support up top we need pace, pace and more pace. Brown ran himself into the ground and had no support as the others just walked around.
We need 2 pacey strikers, pacey wing backs and the midfield has got to be able to get up and down the pitch, sadly all we got was hoof and more hoof bypassing everyone first half, the second half we try to play football but we play at such a slow pace my gran could get back and cover any open player. Absolutely no urgency.
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Post by maine on Sept 21, 2020 2:50:39 GMT
A lot to say, most of it pretty critical. Limit to 2 things. There was no outlet on the left hand side. The midfield looked for someone out there and all they had was--Fox. He actually subbed the one central defender who played well. Why leave Baath and Chester on and remove BMI?
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Post by s7oke on Sept 21, 2020 3:53:24 GMT
3 Centre halves with no pace Who Make silly decisions And you don’t win a match with backwards and sideways passing The midfield sat too deep probably to protect our inept defence Powell needs to play further up In fact the whole midfield needs to be playing further up the pitch What do we have to lose because we ain’t winning Sorry Micheal I hope you learn from this play the lads like at wolves at least we can accept the odd mistake from them as they are learning and will get better for it
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Post by Gunslinger on Sept 21, 2020 5:41:10 GMT
1
Wrong players , wrong formation and wrong tactics.
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Post by Northy on Sept 21, 2020 8:24:46 GMT
0 fookin awful set up, no plan b
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Post by unknown182 on Sept 21, 2020 9:12:59 GMT
0.
Hopefully this 5 at the back nonsense is forgotten about before the next game.
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Post by questionable on Sept 21, 2020 11:24:16 GMT
Shambolic performance and to think MON actually worked on this, his tactics are prehistoric and doomed against any form of pace, it’s simply sitting back and waiting for the inevitable calamity at the back then hoping for, well no idea what he’s waiting for really.
Not good and reminiscent of last season all over.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 21, 2020 11:58:59 GMT
-2.
Poor team selection. Thought he should have hooked Powell as he was obviously not at the races. Deducted 3 points for wearing the high viz tracksuit.
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Post by luke45 on Sept 21, 2020 12:16:00 GMT
5.
The telling statistic for me at full time was percentage of tackles won, we won 60% of ours and Bristol City won 87% of theirs. You will not win many games at this level if you aren't winning your tackles and that is not so much a tactical issue more a mentality issue. We lost the majority of second balls yesterday and we continually failed to pick up on their runners from midfield ( Paterson and Weimann ).
For the last few years we have continued to give goals away a few minutes either side of half time, that is no fluke and it is down to a lack of concentration and focus on playing to the whistle. The first goal yesterday highlighted that we still have a mentality problem in that regard. The defending in the box from Chester and Bruno notably was nowhere near good enough but the laboured, half arsed run from Fox to attempt to stop the ball coming into the box in stoppage time sums up the problems we still have. After a slow start, between the period of 25-45 minutes we were actually the more progressive team and we started to grow into the game. We didn't convert that good spell into clear cut chances but we started to gain some control in the game and had we have got in level at 0-0 I don't believe we would've lost that game. You can talk about formations and systems as much as you like but it boils down to players doing the basics, allowing a lofted ball to come into your box in stoppage time is not doing the basics.
I do think over the course of the season we will probably play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 as much as three at the back with wing backs but yesterday it didn't work, Powell struggled to make an impact again and the wing back system definitely doesn't suit Fox. O'Neill has got some thinking to do but I'm not in favour of completely abondoning the three at the back system on the back of one disappointing result/performance.
The three subs that O'Neill made were probably the three subs that most people would've made, albeit slightly earlier with Campbell and Tymon perhaps. O'Neill doesn't make a habit of making half time subs but he recognised a change was needed and unfortunately Fletcher wasn't able to turn the game in our favour despite another encouraging display.
It's going to be a long season with plenty of twists and turns, we have squad depth now and that will be vital over a 50 game season crammed into about eight months. Let's hope we can bounce back quickly on Wednesday and book ourselves a place in the last 16.
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