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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2020 19:01:55 GMT
I quite like the idea of a nations cup. I mean I think the clubs and police would hate it but I think it’d be ace (on paper at least). The League Cup clearly isn’t well thought of by clubs or fans until the semis. So something has to change. Do you really think that would change things for clubs? Either keep it as is or bin it with no replacement. I’ve answered that in the post quoted haven’t I?
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 29, 2020 19:23:59 GMT
Do you really think that would change things for clubs? Either keep it as is or bin it with no replacement. I’ve answered that in the post quoted haven’t I? So replace something the clubs don't like with something they like even less? That'll work.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Aug 29, 2020 19:27:32 GMT
I’ve answered that in the post quoted haven’t I? So replace something the clubs don't like with something they like even less? That'll work. What’s your suggestion fucking know it all ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2020 19:32:22 GMT
I’ve answered that in the post quoted haven’t I? So replace something the clubs don't like with something they like even less? That'll work. I was merely suggesting what I’d like
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 29, 2020 19:34:46 GMT
Bring back Anglo Italian cup it would be like being in Europe 😀
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 29, 2020 19:59:52 GMT
So replace something the clubs don't like with something they like even less? That'll work. What’s your suggestion fucking know it all ? I've already said, keep it as is or bin. Read the thread before being a total dick.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 29, 2020 20:01:37 GMT
Bring back Anglo Italian cup it would be like being in Europe 😀 Remember last time we were in it. Fiorentina down at the Brit, Effenberg playing for them and getting dogs abuse and Batistuta warming up in a glorious all purple tracksuit!
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Post by werrington on Aug 29, 2020 20:05:33 GMT
Nothing means anything at the minute it’s all surreal
Normally I could tell you every stoke game until October following a fixture release but i genuinely couldn’t tell you who our second home and away games are
Don’t get me wrong when we play I follow it with vigour but it’s all not right and a bizarre feeling
Fingers crossed it won’t be too long now
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2020 20:07:57 GMT
Nothing means anything at the minute it’s all surreal Normally I could tell you every stoke game until October following a fixture release but i genuinely couldn’t tell you who our second home and away games are Don’t get me wrong when we play I follow it with vigour but it’s all not right and a bizarre feeling Fingers crossed it won’t be too long now This isn’t about the current situation though? The League Cup has been an afterthought for how many years now. Something has to change.
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Post by jzime on Aug 29, 2020 20:09:44 GMT
This is a one-off season like no other and it's a total oddity of that situation that we are playing a cup tie in what is still technically pre-season. You can't read too much into the approach to the game today. I very much doubt the cup will 'mean nothing' once it gets to the quarter final stage. Lots of big clubs will still very much want to win it.
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 29, 2020 20:17:08 GMT
Bring back Anglo Italian cup it would be like being in Europe 😀 Remember last time we were in it. Fiorentina down at the Brit, Effenberg playing for them and getting dogs abuse and Batistuta warming up in a glorious all purple tracksuit! Yeh remember that game but must say I don’t remember what colour tracksuit batistuta had on. You got a good memory 😀
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2020 20:17:35 GMT
This is a one-off season like no other and it's a total oddity of that situation that we are playing a cup tie in what is still technically pre-season. You can't read too much into the approach to the game today. I very much doubt the cup will 'mean nothing' once it gets to the quarter final stage. Lots of big clubs will still very much want to win it. The League Cup has meant nothing for about 10 years now.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 29, 2020 20:21:42 GMT
Bring back Anglo Italian cup it would be like being in Europe 😀 Remember last time we were in it. Fiorentina down at the Brit, Effenberg playing for them and getting dogs abuse and Batistuta warming up in a glorious all purple tracksuit! Viola! Used to love their kits. Iconic really
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Post by jzime on Aug 29, 2020 20:25:24 GMT
This is a one-off season like no other and it's a total oddity of that situation that we are playing a cup tie in what is still technically pre-season. You can't read too much into the approach to the game today. I very much doubt the cup will 'mean nothing' once it gets to the quarter final stage. Lots of big clubs will still very much want to win it. The League Cup has meant nothing for about 10 years now. The League Cup has been won excluively by Man City, Man United and Chelsea since 2014. Since 2010, the only clubs outside of the conventional top six to have won it are Birmingham and Swansea. The League Cup is a major trophy and it is a bit of a myth to say it's not taken seriously.
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Post by werrington on Aug 29, 2020 20:30:06 GMT
Nothing means anything at the minute it’s all surreal Normally I could tell you every stoke game until October following a fixture release but i genuinely couldn’t tell you who our second home and away games are Don’t get me wrong when we play I follow it with vigour but it’s all not right and a bizarre feeling Fingers crossed it won’t be too long now This isn’t about the current situation though? The League Cup has been an afterthought for how many years now. Something has to change. I’m not on about the league cup specifically Bayern
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2020 20:31:10 GMT
The League Cup has meant nothing for about 10 years now. The League Cup has been won excluively by Man City, Man United and Chelsea since 2014. Since 2010, the only clubs outside of the conventional top six to have won it are Birmingham and Swansea. The League Cup is a major trophy and it is a bit of a myth to say it's not taken seriously. Because their squad players are better than teams lower down squad players.
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Post by swampmongrel on Aug 29, 2020 20:33:51 GMT
Remember last time we were in it. Fiorentina down at the Brit, Effenberg playing for them and getting dogs abuse and Batistuta warming up in a glorious all purple tracksuit! Yeh remember that game but must say I don’t remember what colour tracksuit batistuta had on. You got a good memory 😀 Pugs’ memory isn’t that great if he thinks that match was at the Brit!
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 29, 2020 21:05:34 GMT
Yeh remember that game but must say I don’t remember what colour tracksuit batistuta had on. You got a good memory 😀 Pugs’ memory isn’t that great if he thinks that match was at the Brit! Lol, of course it was at the Victoria Ground. What a tool.
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Post by lordb on Aug 29, 2020 21:48:06 GMT
Pugs’ memory isn’t that great if he thinks that match was at the Brit! Lol, of course it was at the Victoria Ground. What a tool. Overson marked Batistuta out of the game
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Post by Scouse on Aug 30, 2020 3:27:42 GMT
A return to the Anglo Italian .. a competition known for Little else than low attendances and violence , A competition that saw one of the founders of the modern game totally disrespected and it’s senior board members and officials given the runaround by their Italian hosts , thankfully responded by showing our own contempt and disrespect for the Italians , the competition and footballs authorities in a far more measured way by screwing the coffin lid firmly shut on its previous incarnation , by not playing the postponed Reggiana game ..a rare occurrence of this proud old club failing to fulfil a competitive fixture
That some fans want it dug up and resurrected , like some demonic vampire to once again spread its evil through the civilised world in the vain hope that the aways will somehow be a jolly outing to rival Cologne is frankly deplorable ..it won’t
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 7:48:56 GMT
Normally most managers use the first rounds of the Caraboa to give fringe and academy players an outting. If it means you bomb out, well that's just too bad.
Not so with O'Neill. He gave game time to the vast majority of the players who finished so well in the last four games of last season, not so long ago. The only differences were Afobe, who wasn't here at the time, and Thompson, who's the manager's personal pet player.
So from that I would deduct that the Caraboa really means an awful lot now.
(Subject to change if there later is fixture congestation)
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 30, 2020 8:20:42 GMT
I always thought an Anglo-Scottish cup would be fun. As long as we didn't draw Stenhousemuir obviously. We could all queue up for a "lets prove that Celtic are lower league standard" mini league trophy.
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 30, 2020 8:30:59 GMT
Normally most managers use the first rounds of the Caraboa to give fringe and academy players an outting. If it means you bomb out, well that's just too bad. Not so with O'Neill. He gave game time to the vast majority of the players who finished so well in the last four games of last season, not so long ago. The only differences were Afobe, who wasn't here at the time, and Thompson, who's the manager's personal pet player.
So from that I would deduct that the Caraboa really means an awful lot now. (Subject to change if there later is fixture congestation) That is a very worrying thought kpsja, that hadn't actually occured to me before, that in Thompson we might have a manager's "pet player" in the manner of so many that have gone before such as Whitehead and Walters. Mind you some of the candidates for the title ultimately did a good long term job at Stoke so maybe there is hope yet.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 30, 2020 8:33:44 GMT
Teams that are already in Europe for the season don't enter it would be my suggestion.
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Post by Gods on Aug 30, 2020 8:37:33 GMT
I was actually thinking myself earlier, "whats the point?". You haven't even really got the carrot of a bigger club in round 2 or 3 with the possible benefit of some useful gate receipts, as there will be no crowd attendences. So to some extent the club is just going through the motions. Do we still worry about useful gate receipts when we're £100 million in debt or whatever it now is? The owners are effectively running the club as a local charity as it is since we have zero income beyond a fiver of margin on some branded clobber. I don't see how it all continues unless we can get the crowds back quick smart and I don't mean 500 hardy souls dotted round the stadium. I can't see the Championship getting a new TV deal, without the crowds it's a pretty lack lustre product, not that the existing TV deal is any good. We need full stadiums, very soon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 8:42:57 GMT
Teams that are already in Europe don't enter it would be my suggestion. That would be my suggestion as well. You could replace them with the 8 Scottish Premier League teams not in Europe and rebrand it maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 9:54:16 GMT
Normally most managers use the first rounds of the Caraboa to give fringe and academy players an outting. If it means you bomb out, well that's just too bad. Not so with O'Neill. He gave game time to the vast majority of the players who finished so well in the last four games of last season, not so long ago. The only differences were Afobe, who wasn't here at the time, and Thompson, who's the manager's personal pet player.
So from that I would deduct that the Caraboa really means an awful lot now. (Subject to change if there later is fixture congestation) That is a very worrying thought kpsja, that hadn't actually occured to me before, that in Thompson we might have a manager's "pet player" in the manner of so many that have gone before such as Whitehead and Walters. Mind you some of the candidates for the title ultimately did a good long term job at Stoke so maybe there is hope yet. He plucked him for a nominal fee from the non-playing members of Blackpool last season when he couldn't get into their team, saying that he knew of the player's fine character from the Northern Ireland set up. JT was also pretty much one of only a select few who were willing to sign for a club that in the last transfer window was still among the bottom teams in the Championship. He's not actually a kid anymore, he's 23, but, as you imply, who ever thought that Jon Walters would become a PL star when he was 23 - or 27 when he joined us. But he became a legend.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 10:50:54 GMT
Normally most managers use the first rounds of the Caraboa to give fringe and academy players an outting. If it means you bomb out, well that's just too bad. Not so with O'Neill. He gave game time to the vast majority of the players who finished so well in the last four games of last season, not so long ago. The only differences were Afobe, who wasn't here at the time, and Thompson, who's the manager's personal pet player. So from that I would deduct that the Caraboa really means an awful lot now. (Subject to change if there later is fixture congestation) The managers “pet player” who in 19 games for MON has started 8?
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Post by superpej on Aug 30, 2020 10:56:22 GMT
Anglo Scottish tournament anyone _ no I thought not
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Post by datguy on Aug 30, 2020 11:01:24 GMT
Does anyone know why we haven’t seen more Premier League, EFL and Scottish Premiership mixed cups?
I come from a position of ignorance but I think every league mentioned would be interested in a cup competition, surely? Replaces our Carabao Cup and gives the Scottish Premiership more fixtures to play.
Would be good to gauge the Scottish standard compared to the Prem/EFL. You wouldn’t get huge crowds I don’t think unless you were drawn vs Celtic or Rangers but you don’t get huge crowds anyway really.
Think one of the things that makes the Carabao mean less is that the prize pool is so low. Big teams want the silverware but there’s really not much interest from lower league teams when you’re getting relatively nothing from progressing. Europa League spot is good if you win but you’re not going to win when the top 6 roll out the Rolls Royce from the semi final onwards.
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