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Post by miltonpotter on Aug 12, 2020 13:21:12 GMT
I have registered on this forum to vent my spleen for the most part of the total capitulation of scfc in the last 5 and 6 years, its at a point now where serious questions need to be answered by Tony Scholes or somebody at the club. And they really do need to be answered.... Tony Scholes Alledgedly - Upon relegation we offered new contracts to certain squad members to keep them on Premiership wages well other members of the team had their wages reduced? Is this true Tony Scholes and what did you expect that to achieve with regards to team spirit, morale and motivation? You would have to be stupid to believe it wouldn't have a negative effect in the dressing room and on the pitch. Alledgedly - Rumours of players contracts not being supplemented with a Win bonus, is this true? How long has that been the case, 6 years or more by any chance? I'm led to believe most clubs offer win bonus and other bonus incentives. Furthermore, add that to the first point about player contract relegation wage issues. Is this true Tony Scholes and what did you expect that to achieve with regards to team spirit, morale and motivation? Also, my own belief is that our managers are being told that certain players have to play regardless of form because they are a financial asset to the club. Is this true Tony Scholes and what did you expect that to achieve with regards to team spirit, morale and motivation? New start with O'Neill great, but if things above his control don't change, neither will we Tony always posts on here and always replies so I’m sure he will get back to you pal 👍🏻
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Post by ilfracoombestokie3 on Aug 12, 2020 13:28:39 GMT
Is Slogger back?
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 12, 2020 13:39:26 GMT
Don't you think its pathetic though that a grown man will verbally abuse a person over the internet, id have a lot more respect for someone who can say such things to a man's face Look Jon I’ve noticed you are new to this place so here’s some advice about this place and life in general If you yourself are going to “attack” people just because they’ve questioned you don’t get verbally abusive if you get it back And yeah I’m a very wise man Very wise man, clapped his way to the bottom of the championship, very wise. Bit of advice for you, i've noticed you're not new around here, try to make people look daft then expect a bit back
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 12, 2020 13:52:08 GMT
Look Jon I’ve noticed you are new to this place so here’s some advice about this place and life in general If you yourself are going to “attack” people just because they’ve questioned you don’t get verbally abusive if you get it back And yeah I’m a very wise man Very wise man, clapped his way to the bottom of the championship, very wise. Bit of advice for you, i've noticed you're not new around here, try to make people look daft then expect a bit back Oh come off it! Werrers isn't trying to make you look daft. He doesn't need to - you are managing to do that perfectly well yourself!
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 12, 2020 13:53:44 GMT
"Well Peter, I think the game's up. I've had a good run of dealing with fans' concerns and criticisms as you've made me one of the most handsomely paid club CEOs in the country over the past fifteen years or so... but there's a new poster on the Oatcake with a picture of Jon Walters dressed as Superman gunning for me with some questions I remember from about two years ago.
I'd like to offer my resignation."
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 12, 2020 14:00:36 GMT
"Well Peter, I think the game's up. I've had a good run of dealing with fans' concerns and criticisms as you've made me one of the most handsomely paid club CEOs in the country over the past fifteen years or so... but there's a new poster on the Oatcake with a picture of Jon Walters dressed as Superman gunning for me with some questions I remember from about two years ago. I'd like to offer my resignation." Peters response: 'Yeah, I saw that. I'm on there all the time Tony. Man, that new guy is hard hitting. He's gone after you big time and I have no other choice but to accept your resignation. Can't believe those other dullards have let us get away with it for so long, especially that thicko Werrigton"
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 12, 2020 14:01:12 GMT
"Well Peter, I think the game's up. I've had a good run of dealing with fans' concerns and criticisms as you've made me one of the most handsomely paid club CEOs in the country over the past fifteen years or so... but there's a new poster on the Oatcake with a picture of Jon Walters dressed as Superman gunning for me with some questions I remember from about two years ago. I'd like to offer my resignation." That's why you need to be like a dog with a bone, or the message doesn't get through
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 12, 2020 14:20:21 GMT
"Well Peter, I think the game's up. I've had a good run of dealing with fans' concerns and criticisms as you've made me one of the most handsomely paid club CEOs in the country over the past fifteen years or so... but there's a new poster on the Oatcake with a picture of Jon Walters dressed as Superman gunning for me with some questions I remember from about two years ago. I'd like to offer my resignation." That's why you need to be like a dog with a bone, or the message doesn't get through You registered three days ago
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Post by jayscfc1863 on Aug 12, 2020 14:27:05 GMT
"Well Peter, I think the game's up. I've had a good run of dealing with fans' concerns and criticisms as you've made me one of the most handsomely paid club CEOs in the country over the past fifteen years or so... but there's a new poster on the Oatcake with a picture of Jon Walters dressed as Superman gunning for me with some questions I remember from about two years ago. I'd like to offer my resignation." That's why you need to be like a dog with a bone, or the message doesn't get through For the most part you're saying absolutely nothing new that hasn't already been said 100 times over since relegation from the premier league. I remember listening to Angela on P&G at the end of that season and she said all this on the radio but unfortunately as has been said already. You can get in the guys face for all the good it will do and you will either get escorted out of the room or fed the same excuses that he gives every time. People like him have an excuse for everything, i suspect that's why hes still with us.
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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 12, 2020 14:27:40 GMT
Sometimes the questions are more distructive than the answers
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 12, 2020 14:31:19 GMT
That's why you need to be like a dog with a bone, or the message doesn't get through For the most part you're saying absolutely nothing new that hasn't already been said 100 times over since relegation from the premier league. I remember listening to Angela on P&G at the end of that season and she said all this on the radio but unfortunately as has been said already. You can get in the guys face for all the good it will do and you will either get escorted out of the room or fed the same excuses that he gives every time. People like him have an excuse for everything, i suspect that's why hes still with us. I appreciate its been said, its got to be noticed by the wider audience and the national press so the pressure ramps up though, surely?
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Post by jayscfc1863 on Aug 12, 2020 14:38:07 GMT
For the most part you're saying absolutely nothing new that hasn't already been said 100 times over since relegation from the premier league. I remember listening to Angela on P&G at the end of that season and she said all this on the radio but unfortunately as has been said already. You can get in the guys face for all the good it will do and you will either get escorted out of the room or fed the same excuses that he gives every time. People like him have an excuse for everything, i suspect that's why hes still with us. I appreciate its been said, its got to be noticed so the pressure ramps up though, surely? What makes you think that it hasn't been noticed? I'd need to double check but im pretty sure that most of what you've said (minus directing it specifically at one person) has been raised by the SC at meetings. In addition all club social media has been inundated with it and if you hand on heart, genuinely don't believe that behind closed doors there haven't been some serious conversations then i'm not sure what to say to you. As we aren't privy to what goes on behind the scenes in the upper echelons at the club i think its a leap to suggest that they aren't taking notice. Just because the guy is still here and irrelevant of his salary, doesn't mean that hes not treading on ice. Nobody is irreplaceable. Aside from all that, not sure what else you expect to happen? Storm the boardroom? Last time that happened we arguably almost killed our club!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 15:15:17 GMT
Look Jon I’ve noticed you are new to this place so here’s some advice about this place and life in general If you yourself are going to “attack” people just because they’ve questioned you don’t get verbally abusive if you get it back And yeah I’m a very wise man Very wise man, clapped his way to the bottom of the championship, very wise. Bit of advice for you, i've noticed you're not new around here, try to make people look daft then expect a bit back To be fair we all have no idea if the stories re contracts are true, some will make things up on here and rumours stick. There's one person in particular that has an anti Scholes agenda, forget his name and he'd blame him for the Wombles being cancelled on TV if he could. (better not be) .When someone posts idle speculation re win bonuses etc it gets passed on, I don't believe it for one second. Problem with someone like Scholes is, the days we were signing the Shaqiris and Bojans, they get no credit, when it goes arse about face as it does for most Prem teams eventually then all fingers point at them. We've backed managers, it's on the pitch we've been let down mostly
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 12, 2020 15:57:10 GMT
TONY - I HAVE TRIED TO CONTACT YOU VIA MANY OTHER MEANS BUT TO NO AVAIL.
I KNOW YOU READ THIS BOARD.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO BRING BACK THE STRIMMER I LENT YOU?
SIX MONTHS IS A LONG TIME AND THE EDGES OF MY LAWN ARE NOW OVERGROWN AND SHABBY THANKS TO YOU.
PLZ REPLY.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 16:07:18 GMT
All rise for the case of Superjonscape vs Scholes.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 12, 2020 16:09:25 GMT
All rise for the case of Superjonscape vs Scholes. That’s an episode of Judge Rinder I COULD watch!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 12, 2020 16:30:16 GMT
All rise for the case of Superjonscape vs Scholes. As Mr Scholes' representative I can tell you he's in high spirits and is confident of a positive verdict but he wants privacy for him and his family at this time, thank you.
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Post by lordb on Aug 12, 2020 16:36:24 GMT
Believe the no win bonus is true Think it's only come in since relegation though Believe that some players were offered to maintain their Premier League wages levels (but not all hence unsurprising unhappiness in the squad). Don't believe any manager worth his salt would agree that certain players have to play. Not a sustainable argument. Don't get me wrong Scholes out I'm all in but not that suggestion Why should they play though if they are clearly not doing it, its detrimental to results, shouldn't they be put in the reserves until they perform for them before getting another first team opportunity where they need to perform to stay? Where is the motivation to perform? I thought that's what reserve football was for? Reserve football doesn't exist & hasn't done for years now U23 football is not the same,much lower standard You will find few Stoke fans (possibly just Bayern) who thinks Ince should play & a majority who think Butland shouldn't play either none the less it's still nonsense to suspect they have 'must play' clauses in their contracts - if they did they wouldn't ever have been on the bench at times (which they both have) would they & there is no way on earth we would have got O'Neill to agree to become our manager if players had such clauses in their contracts
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Post by lordb on Aug 12, 2020 16:37:29 GMT
I dont give a fuck what leauge we are in how bad the players are,i get the fixtures in the summer go as many games as i can.I have for over forty years to late to change now,and ive enjoyed it Thats lovely, personally I like my team to play like one. Its crazy how quickly all season can just be brushed under the carpet because we had a few good results at the death when players decided to turn up to avoid relegation. lots of good results since November not just 'at the death'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 16:38:51 GMT
All rise for the case of Superjonscape vs Scholes. That’s an episode of Judge Rinder I COULD watch! A family member has worked with Judge Rinder. She described him as 'a c@nt' but I doubt he knows what that is
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 12, 2020 16:44:01 GMT
I give Tony daily briefings about how the Oatcake community talk about him and his job. He welcomes all views, even the disrespectful ones I often have to pass on to him. Tony Daily.....didn't he used to play for Villa??? 🤔 And isn't it spelt "Daley"?? 😁
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Post by femark on Aug 12, 2020 17:02:25 GMT
I wondered when the "say it to my face" response would come out Don't you think its pathetic though that a grown man will verbally abuse a person over the internet, id have a lot more respect for someone who can say such things to a man's face When everyone is against you it’s normally best to look in the mirror.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 12, 2020 17:04:13 GMT
I have registered on this forum to vent my spleen for the most part of the total capitulation of scfc in the last 5 and 6 years, its at a point now where serious questions need to be answered by Tony Scholes or somebody at the club. And they really do need to be answered.... Tony Scholes Alledgedly - Upon relegation we offered new contracts to certain squad members to keep them on Premiership wages well other members of the team had their wages reduced? Is this true Tony Scholes and what did you expect that to achieve with regards to team spirit, morale and motivation? You would have to be stupid to believe it wouldn't have a negative effect in the dressing room and on the pitch. Alledgedly - Rumours of players contracts not being supplemented with a Win bonus, is this true? How long has that been the case, 6 years or more by any chance? I'm led to believe most clubs offer win bonus and other bonus incentives. Furthermore, add that to the first point about player contract relegation wage issues. Is this true Tony Scholes and what did you expect that to achieve with regards to team spirit, morale and motivation? Also, my own belief is that our managers are being told that certain players have to play regardless of form because they are a financial asset to the club. Is this true Tony Scholes and what did you expect that to achieve with regards to team spirit, morale and motivation? New start with O'Neill great, but if things above his control don't change, neither will we You're 3 years too late son... ...allegedly
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Post by premrandallsbday on Aug 12, 2020 17:04:22 GMT
As Mrs Merton would say...."let's have a heated debate" Superjonscape's opinions and questions are all valid - but the intricacies of players contracts and the Club's motivation for negotiating them are another matter. In the same way that players abilities (fulfilled or not) vary greatly, so do the terms on which they are signed and renegotiated. What may be perfectly logical in other walks of life does not apply in the world of football. The successful day to day management and motivation of a group of highly paid individuals owes much to the team's manager and his staff, and the below par performance of SCFC is more like a reflection of the poor choices the Club have made since the departure of (dare I say) Tony Pulis. Win bonus's or not Hughes, Rowett, Lambert and Jones all failed to galvanise the squad Let's be thankful that we have, potentially, now got a manager with potential and let's see where that leads us.
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Post by datguy on Aug 12, 2020 17:12:04 GMT
I have registered on this forum to vent my spleen for the most part of the total capitulation of scfc in the last 5 and 6 years, its at a point now where serious questions need to be answered by Tony Scholes or somebody at the club. And they really do need to be answered.... Tony Scholes Alledgedly - Upon relegation we offered new contracts to certain squad members to keep them on Premiership wages well other members of the team had their wages reduced? Is this true Tony Scholes and what did you expect that to achieve with regards to team spirit, morale and motivation? You would have to be stupid to believe it wouldn't have a negative effect in the dressing room and on the pitch. Alledgedly - Rumours of players contracts not being supplemented with a Win bonus, is this true? How long has that been the case, 6 years or more by any chance? I'm led to believe most clubs offer win bonus and other bonus incentives. Furthermore, add that to the first point about player contract relegation wage issues. Is this true Tony Scholes and what did you expect that to achieve with regards to team spirit, morale and motivation? Also, my own belief is that our managers are being told that certain players have to play regardless of form because they are a financial asset to the club. Is this true Tony Scholes and what did you expect that to achieve with regards to team spirit, morale and motivation? New start with O'Neill great, but if things above his control don't change, neither will we Don't particularly see what's wrong with this. The past 5 years have been unacceptable really and it is absolutely right to question everyone involved. Thankfully it looks like we've got a good manager and we're now heading in the right direction. But MO'N has said himself the whole club needs a revamp. Was he particularly talking about Scholes? I don't know. But there's no better place to start than looking to the very top of the club - the only constants over the past 4 years of failure. Yes - nothing more than rumours and they will remain that way until every single contract in question is up. But you've still got to question it.
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Post by stokefc on Aug 12, 2020 17:14:43 GMT
well i'm melting it's fucking boiling out there
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 12, 2020 17:16:33 GMT
Don't you think its pathetic though that a grown man will verbally abuse a person over the internet, id have a lot more respect for someone who can say such things to a man's face Look Jon I’ve noticed you are new to this place so here’s some advice about this place and life in general If you yourself are going to “attack” people just because they’ve questioned you don’t get verbally abusive if you get it back And yeah I’m a very wise man Wezza this is reminiscent of the Mumf vs Hudsongod spat of few years ago. These youngsters won’t remember that little bit of entertainment for us grown ups mate.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 12, 2020 17:46:34 GMT
I have registered on this forum to vent my spleen for the most part of the total capitulation of scfc in the last 5 and 6 years, its at a point now where serious questions need to be answered by Tony Scholes or somebody at the club. And they really do need to be answered.... Tony Scholes Alledgedly - Upon relegation we offered new contracts to certain squad members to keep them on Premiership wages well other members of the team had their wages reduced? Is this true Tony Scholes and what did you expect that to achieve with regards to team spirit, morale and motivation? You would have to be stupid to believe it wouldn't have a negative effect in the dressing room and on the pitch. Alledgedly - Rumours of players contracts not being supplemented with a Win bonus, is this true? How long has that been the case, 6 years or more by any chance? I'm led to believe most clubs offer win bonus and other bonus incentives. Furthermore, add that to the first point about player contract relegation wage issues. Is this true Tony Scholes and what did you expect that to achieve with regards to team spirit, morale and motivation? Also, my own belief is that our managers are being told that certain players have to play regardless of form because they are a financial asset to the club. Is this true Tony Scholes and what did you expect that to achieve with regards to team spirit, morale and motivation? New start with O'Neill great, but if things above his control don't change, neither will we What was your username before you created the new one to post this? EDIT - I posted the comment above having read only your initial post. I've now viewed the thread as it's progressed. Come on...who were you before. Your approach feels familiar.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 12, 2020 18:01:13 GMT
The way Stoke fans swallowed the utter pig swill about his pay rise at the turn of the year, is proof positive they will swallow absolutely any old shit these days.
Be interesting to see how they manufacture his increased remuneration in this years accounts.
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Post by santy on Aug 12, 2020 18:03:49 GMT
For just the small price of £250m + what the Coates family may want for the club you can get to sack Scholes and run the club exactly as you want.
I assume anyone with such unfaltering omniscience to know how to run a club without any mistakes has that amount of cash lying around like its pocket change.
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