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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 9, 2020 9:37:36 GMT
I really don't like the idea of Mikel coming here! As said before Allen and Clucas will be our preferred central midfield pairing, and Cousins is a very good option as back up. We also have Sørensen and Thompson to fill in, so to spend a lot of money in our situation on Mikel really seems outright stupid. I can't see this happening, at least I hope not. He was a fantastic player, but I'm not sure he is any longer. We won’t have a midfield “pairing” MON is a believer in 4-3-3 with one holding player. Now Powell has shown he is very effective on the right of a 3 and Clucas returned to his best on the left of a 3, they will be two starters and I presume Allen will be the holding player or be used to rotate the other two over a long season. It will take Allan a few months to get back up to speed anyway.
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Post by neddy on Aug 9, 2020 9:38:05 GMT
Looking at the slp vid I can’t see Mikel as either of those guys can you? Mikel is 6.2 so only could be the second lad and he looks younger?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 9:48:07 GMT
I really don't like the idea of Mikel coming here! As said before Allen and Clucas will be our preferred central midfield pairing, and Cousins is a very good option as back up. We also have Sørensen and Thompson to fill in, so to spend a lot of money in our situation on Mikel really seems outright stupid. I can't see this happening, at least I hope not. He was a fantastic player, but I'm not sure he is any longer. We won’t have a midfield “pairing” MON is a believer in 4-3-3 with one holding player. Now Powell has shown he is very effective on the right of a 3 and Clucas returned to his best on the left of a 3, they will be two starters and I presume Allen will be the holding player or be used to rotate the other two over a long season. It will take Allan a few months to get back up to speed anyway. Is a hell of a long season as you say and Allen/Powell/Clucas etc will not play every game, far from it. We need a pool of 5 or 6 to pick from
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Post by innocentbystander on Aug 9, 2020 9:48:59 GMT
You've all missed the main point here- how come Harvester can maintain business with their legendary salad bar, yet Morrisons cannot?
Surely you wouldn't go to Harvester if there was no salad bar?
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Post by mrpickles on Aug 9, 2020 10:26:08 GMT
You've all missed the main point here- how come Harvester can maintain business with their legendary salad bar, yet Morrisons cannot? Surely you wouldn't go to Harvester if there was no salad bar? Salad? What animal is that from? Does this 'salad' thing go on oatcakes?
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Post by mrpickles on Aug 9, 2020 10:30:59 GMT
Interesting that Pulis was the manager when Mikel was at Boro, and he was pretty much an ever present for him (well he signed in January and played 18 games) He also made him captain for the last 6 games of the season (and they won 5 of those).
Probably ticks the good character box based on the above.
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Post by lordb on Aug 9, 2020 11:34:44 GMT
We won’t have a midfield “pairing” MON is a believer in 4-3-3 with one holding player. Now Powell has shown he is very effective on the right of a 3 and Clucas returned to his best on the left of a 3, they will be two starters and I presume Allen will be the holding player or be used to rotate the other two over a long season. It will take Allan a few months to get back up to speed anyway. Is a hell of a long season as you say and Allen/Powell/Clucas etc will not play every game, far from it. We need a pool of 5 or 6 to pick from Hence alleged interest in McNair?
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Post by 1948fitch on Aug 9, 2020 13:03:43 GMT
This is where good judgement, good fact finding comes in. If he's past it don't sign him, same with any player. Lots of examples of 33 year olds being good players over the years there are always exceptions. Quite happy to have a team of them providing 1: they aren't past it 2: they are any good. Re Mikel specifically, what did the Boro fans think if him?Sounds like he started very well for them although they had a poor run towards the end of that season and missed out on the play-offs. I remember Boro fans saying that Pulis had weighted them too heavily with defensive midfielders (no surprise there!) whats the music being played to this?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 13:21:52 GMT
Sounds like he started very well for them although they had a poor run towards the end of that season and missed out on the play-offs. I remember Boro fans saying that Pulis had weighted them too heavily with defensive midfielders (no surprise there!) whats the music being played to this? Trust me the other half knew not me
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Post by 1948fitch on Aug 9, 2020 15:24:03 GMT
whats the music being played to this? Trust me the other half knew not me I'd be proud of knowing this!......................................I'm 72
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 15:35:54 GMT
If he were to play the "Chelsea" role as a 6, age doesn't matter, he just needs that magic sponge effect which sends every ball to him without him ever moving an inch. If he were to play the "Nigeria" role, I'd be more worried. That would make him our new playmaker, which can only mean we're selling Powell (but at least at a profit, since he cost us nothing). If he were to be our new goalie, I would relax and go to sleep sweet dreams and wake up in a sweat hours later. Powell needs a new contract here Or, we need him - badly - to sign a new one. But how much longer he needs us - after a year of some extreme downs and some more ordinary ups - is an open question...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 21:07:04 GMT
Interesting that Pulis was the manager when Mikel was at Boro, and he was pretty much an ever present for him (well he signed in January and played 18 games) He also made him captain for the last 6 games of the season (and they won 5 of those). Probably ticks the good character box based on the above. I’d take Obi-Mikel on a one year deal. Yes, ideally we’d have a young, hungry player come in and fight to make a name for themselves, but that’s unlikely to happen this year. A one year deal could see him, Sorenson and Cousins fight it out for that holding midfielder role. I think that’s not a bad bit of competition for that spot.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Aug 9, 2020 23:11:26 GMT
Interesting that Pulis was the manager when Mikel was at Boro, and he was pretty much an ever present for him (well he signed in January and played 18 games) He also made him captain for the last 6 games of the season (and they won 5 of those). Probably ticks the good character box based on the above. I’d take Obi-Mikel on a one year deal. Yes, ideally we’d have a young, hungry player come in and fight to make a name for themselves, but that’s unlikely to happen this year. A one year deal could see him, Sorenson and Cousins fight it out for that holding midfielder role. I think that’s not a bad bit of competition for that spot. One year later, Mikel will leave, Cousins will still be rubbish and Sorensen not quite cutting it. We need a DM who will be with us for a few seasons ideally but if Mikel does come we will have the same problem next time around. Morsy the best and most realistic shout at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 0:49:51 GMT
I’d take Obi-Mikel on a one year deal. Yes, ideally we’d have a young, hungry player come in and fight to make a name for themselves, but that’s unlikely to happen this year. A one year deal could see him, Sorenson and Cousins fight it out for that holding midfielder role. I think that’s not a bad bit of competition for that spot. One year later, Mikel will leave, Cousins will still be rubbish and Sorensen not quite cutting it. We need a DM who will be with us for a few seasons ideally but if Mikel does come we will have the same problem next time around. Morsy the best and most realistic shout at the moment. Cousins has been fine overall, albeit limited. As a squad player, he’s no better or worse than what you would expect from a squad player of a championship team looking to finish near the top. Realistically, how are we going to spend money this window? We don’t sell our players on, we either release them or loan them to finish. We have little to no income since Covid, and we were in a relegation scrap last year, so I doubt people are exactly queuing up for it. We have a huge squad. Bringing in a good quality stop gap while we figure out if Sorenson is good enough or not is not really the worst decision.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Aug 10, 2020 1:30:29 GMT
I want to know what Mikel and Badou had to eat at the Harvester. It’s all part of the mystery sighting. Maybe they were “mystery diners” ...
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 10, 2020 9:39:22 GMT
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Post by apb1979 on Aug 10, 2020 10:06:01 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 10, 2020 11:27:43 GMT
Any more journeymen 33 or over ready to join Dads Army Journeyman? 2 Premier League titles, 3 FA Cups, 1 Champions League and 1 Africa Cup of Nations. Age is a concern but he's definitely mastered his trade. Of all positions on the pitch DM is where the ability to read the game is what really counts and that comes with experience. Providing his legs haven't gone - and some players can still hold their own at that age - he could do a job for us. In addition the likes of Sorenson and Cousins could learn a lot from a player of Mikel's pedigree.
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Post by lordb on Aug 10, 2020 11:31:58 GMT
Any more journeymen 33 or over ready to join Dads Army Journeyman? 2 Premier League titles, 3 FA Cups, 1 Champions League and 1 Africa Cup of Nations. Age is a concern but he's definitely mastered his trade. Of all positions on the pitch DM is where the ability to read the game is what really counts and that comes with experience. Providing his legs haven't gone - and some players can still hold their own at that age - he could do a job for us. In addition the likes of Sorenson and Cousins could learn a lot from a player of Mikel's pedigree. If his legs have gone don't sign him. Otherwise if he's fit able and willing could be a cracking signing
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 10, 2020 11:46:14 GMT
The cold, cruel age stat alone says no.
The rose tinted specs from the Waddo era however make you think it just might be a belter.
And, let's face it, him over Cousins, Thompson or Sorrenson is a no brainer.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 10, 2020 11:58:01 GMT
The cold, cruel age stat alone says no.
The rose tinted specs from the Waddo era however make you think it just might be a belter.
And, let's face it, him over Cousins, Thompson or Sorrenson is a no brainer.
I'm fine with Cousins as our back up player, thought he did ever so well at the end of this season.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 10, 2020 12:04:18 GMT
Any more journeymen 33 or over ready to join Dads Army Journeyman? 2 Premier League titles, 3 FA Cups, 1 Champions League and 1 Africa Cup of Nations. Age is a concern but he's definitely mastered his trade. Of all positions on the pitch DM is where the ability to read the game is what really counts and that comes with experience. Providing his legs haven't gone - and some players can still hold their own at that age - he could do a job for us. In addition the likes of Sorenson and Cousins could learn a lot from a player of Mikel's pedigree. He’s a busted flush
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Post by LankyPotter on Aug 10, 2020 12:10:02 GMT
I would prefer a move to sign Sam Morsy.
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Post by baystokie on Aug 10, 2020 12:53:14 GMT
Journeyman? 2 Premier League titles, 3 FA Cups, 1 Champions League and 1 Africa Cup of Nations. Age is a concern but he's definitely mastered his trade. Of all positions on the pitch DM is where the ability to read the game is what really counts and that comes with experience. Providing his legs haven't gone - and some players can still hold their own at that age - he could do a job for us. In addition the likes of Sorenson and Cousins could learn a lot from a player of Mikel's pedigree. He’s a busted flush When did you see him last play?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 10, 2020 13:24:29 GMT
Journeyman? 2 Premier League titles, 3 FA Cups, 1 Champions League and 1 Africa Cup of Nations. Age is a concern but he's definitely mastered his trade. Of all positions on the pitch DM is where the ability to read the game is what really counts and that comes with experience. Providing his legs haven't gone - and some players can still hold their own at that age - he could do a job for us. In addition the likes of Sorenson and Cousins could learn a lot from a player of Mikel's pedigree. He’s a busted flush If his legs have gone then yes don't sign him and I have no knowledge either way to make a judgement- but that still doesn't make him a journeyman.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 10, 2020 14:22:43 GMT
When did you see him last play? Don’t have to he’s 33
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Post by Jimm on Aug 10, 2020 14:24:31 GMT
He wont sign then. He's as deluded as the SLP boys
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Post by Sven on Aug 10, 2020 14:41:53 GMT
Another footballer I'd put in the category of trying to look the part rather than being the part, just like Ince. Didn't like him when he was at Chelsea.
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Post by lordb on Aug 10, 2020 14:43:04 GMT
When did you see him last play? Don’t have to he’s 33 So don't sign any player that age ever?
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 10, 2020 14:43:26 GMT
If his legs have gone then yes don't sign him and I have no knowledge either way to make a judgement- but that still doesn't make him a journeyman. Clearly his legs haven't gone, as he was a massive part of why Trabzonspor were top of the league at the time he left. It's no coincidence they fell away after that. Honestly if we do have a chance to sign a player of his calibre and experience, we should welcome him with open arms. Cousins would be an effective deputy. Interesting that Mikel has shared a pitch with Badou when he was on loan with them. I wonder if Mikel will be giving Badou a call to ask what life at Stoke is like!
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