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Post by datguy on Aug 8, 2020 21:46:59 GMT
Obviously Westwood is better than us. But your problem is when Aston Villa signed him and he's no better than what we had? I suppose my point is, they haven't produced anyone of note for 15 years. That's why we don't buy from Crewe. Why would we? Why have you limited this to 15 years? My point being that they’ve got one of the most successful academies in the country (fact) and we routinely ignore it. On our doorstep. And they’ve got players now that would get in our side. Perry Ng being another example. That hasn't produced anything for decades..... Ashley Westwood is the best they've produced for years and he's... okay. Their academy is nowt special. I don't understand your point tbh. You've conceded that half the players you've mentioned went to bigger clubs. And tbf mate, some of the players you've listed are shite. The answer is simple. We don't buy from Crewe because of the same reason we don't buy from any other club down there, because their players aren't good enough? When was the last time they sold any player up the leagues? Luke Murphy? Who's that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 21:53:47 GMT
Why have you limited this to 15 years? My point being that they’ve got one of the most successful academies in the country (fact) and we routinely ignore it. On our doorstep. And they’ve got players now that would get in our side. Perry Ng being another example. That hasn't produced anything for decades..... Ashley Westwood is the best they've produced for years and he's... okay. Their academy is nowt special. I don't understand your point tbh. You've conceded that half the players you've mentioned went to bigger clubs. And tbf mate, some of the players you've listed are shite. The answer is simple. We don't buy from Crewe because of the same reason we don't buy from any other club down there, because their players aren't good enough? When was the last time they sold any player up the leagues? Luke Murphy? Who's that? You don’t understand my point? That they’re local, and have sold players for millions over the years (we haven’t - from our amazing academy) and we’re never in for them. This goes back years, you’re insisting on the last 15 years (don’t know why, that was never the point) and we’re a much bigger club, paying bigger money - and we’ve never bought a graduate from Crewe. When a lot of our ‘peers’ have. I don’t know what you don’t understand tbh.
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Post by lordb on Aug 8, 2020 21:55:21 GMT
That hasn't produced anything for decades..... Ashley Westwood is the best they've produced for years and he's... okay. Their academy is nowt special. I don't understand your point tbh. You've conceded that half the players you've mentioned went to bigger clubs. And tbf mate, some of the players you've listed are shite. The answer is simple. We don't buy from Crewe because of the same reason we don't buy from any other club down there, because their players aren't good enough? When was the last time they sold any player up the leagues? Luke Murphy? Who's that? You don’t understand my point? That they’re local, and have sold players for millions over the years (we haven’t - from our amazing academy) and we’re never in for them. This goes back years, you’re insisting on the last 15 years (don’t know why, that was never the point) and we’re a much bigger club, paying bigger money - and we’ve never bought a graduate from Crewe. When a lot of our ‘peers’ have. I don’t know what you don’t understand tbh. Your missing my point Which is your argument was spot on...donkeys years ago. Crew haven't sold many players for decent money for ages.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 21:55:32 GMT
Our academy better than theirs? Come on mate. Our academy is miles better than theirs now and has been for years. We’ve never sold anyone from our academy for money, and none of them play for us (Tom Edwards sometimes). How on earth is it better? Our most decorated product is who? Ryan Shotton?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 21:58:16 GMT
You don’t understand my point? That they’re local, and have sold players for millions over the years (we haven’t - from our amazing academy) and we’re never in for them. This goes back years, you’re insisting on the last 15 years (don’t know why, that was never the point) and we’re a much bigger club, paying bigger money - and we’ve never bought a graduate from Crewe. When a lot of our ‘peers’ have. I don’t know what you don’t understand tbh. Your missing my point Which is your argument was spot on...donkeys years ago. Crew haven't sold many players for decent money for ages. So in the 90s and 00s they had players that would’ve improved us and we didn’t sign any of them. I’m cool with the last 10 years (premier league years) it not being suitable but my point is more about their locality and the fact that their academy has been successful. It’s generated millions. They’ve had players go on to play international football - and not once have we been at the front of the queue to sign anyone (not limiting this to the last few years).
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Post by datguy on Aug 8, 2020 22:00:26 GMT
That hasn't produced anything for decades..... Ashley Westwood is the best they've produced for years and he's... okay. Their academy is nowt special. I don't understand your point tbh. You've conceded that half the players you've mentioned went to bigger clubs. And tbf mate, some of the players you've listed are shite. The answer is simple. We don't buy from Crewe because of the same reason we don't buy from any other club down there, because their players aren't good enough? When was the last time they sold any player up the leagues? Luke Murphy? Who's that? You don’t understand my point? That they’re local, and have sold players for millions over the years (we haven’t - from our amazing academy) and we’re never in for them. This goes back years, you’re insisting on the last 15 years (don’t know why, that was never the point) and we’re a much bigger club, paying bigger money - and we’ve never bought a graduate from Crewe. When a lot of our ‘peers’ have. I don’t know what you don’t understand tbh. Mate, you provided the examples of Ashley Westwood, Luke Varney and Luke Murphy as players we have incompetently missed out on recently. Come on. I used 15 years because they were the players you said we've missed out on in the last 15 years. Our academy is much better now as well. Historically I couldn't answer. Have we missed out on much that we could've got? I don't think so. David Platt in 1987 maybe...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2020 22:03:08 GMT
Our academy is miles better than theirs now and has been for years. We’ve never sold anyone from our academy for money, and none of them play for us. I cannot begin to understand your point. Our most decorated product is who? Ryan Shotton? Andy Wilkinson was a Premier League regular. Currently we have 4/5 that should be regulars. And it just is. Has been for 5 years at least. We’ve got one of the best academies in the country. Hence why we have to start fecking using it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 22:04:12 GMT
You don’t understand my point? That they’re local, and have sold players for millions over the years (we haven’t - from our amazing academy) and we’re never in for them. This goes back years, you’re insisting on the last 15 years (don’t know why, that was never the point) and we’re a much bigger club, paying bigger money - and we’ve never bought a graduate from Crewe. When a lot of our ‘peers’ have. I don’t know what you don’t understand tbh. Mate, you provided the examples of Ashley Westwood, Luke Varney and Luke Murphy as players we have incompetently missed out on recently. Come on. I used 15 years because they were the players you said we've missed out on in the last 15 years. Our academy is much better now as well. Historically I couldn't answer. Have we missed out on much that we could've got? I don't think so. David Platt in 1987 maybe... I provided a list, which you’ve ignored. Hulse? Adebola? Whaley? Collins? (I know this wasn’t in the last magic 15 years) None of them good enough? ? Our academy hasn’t produced a player that’s got us a big fee or played for us, Wilkinson aside. Shotton? Shenton? Dickinson found his level at Vale? If you think that’s a good academy, let’s leave it at that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 22:05:24 GMT
We’ve never sold anyone from our academy for money, and none of them play for us. I cannot begin to understand your point. Our most decorated product is who? Ryan Shotton? Andy Wilkinson was a Premier League regular. Currently we have 4/5 that should be regulars. And it just is. Has been for 5 years at least. We’ve got one of the best academies in the country. Hence why we have to start fecking using it. Yep. Wilkinson was alright. Did well for himself. Crewe generate millions and fill their team with academy players. We’ve never done that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2020 22:12:17 GMT
Andy Wilkinson was a Premier League regular. Currently we have 4/5 that should be regulars. And it just is. Has been for 5 years at least. We’ve got one of the best academies in the country. Hence why we have to start fecking using it. Yep. Wilkinson was alright. Did well for himself. Crewe generate millions and fill their team with academy players. We’ve never done that. We haven’t but I’d suggest that’s more down to the level we have been at. It’s where the owners need to take charge imo. Playing players from the academy has to happen. It should be happening. We’ve got some tremendous footballers who should be playing 20 plus games next season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 22:16:21 GMT
Yep. Wilkinson was alright. Did well for himself. Crewe generate millions and fill their team with academy players. We’ve never done that. We haven’t but I’d suggest that’s more down to the level we have been at. It’s where the owners need to take charge imo. Playing players from the academy has to happen. It should be happening. We’ve got some tremendous footballers who should be playing 20 plus games next season. I hope you’re right mate
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2020 22:21:02 GMT
We haven’t but I’d suggest that’s more down to the level we have been at. It’s where the owners need to take charge imo. Playing players from the academy has to happen. It should be happening. We’ve got some tremendous footballers who should be playing 20 plus games next season. I hope you’re right mate I am. The issue is having the balls to use them. Campbell, Collins, Souttar, Sorensen, Verlinden, Edwards all should be big players in this squad now. Campbell, Collins and Verlinden regulars imo.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Aug 8, 2020 22:27:05 GMT
We were in the PL for a decade, none of the players you’ve mentioned have been good enough for that level. Prior to that I can only think they’d want more money to sell to us on account of us being “rivals”.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 8, 2020 23:45:40 GMT
Our academy better than theirs? Come on mate. Our academy is miles better than theirs now and has been for years. Indeed, the difference is their academy players get to play first team football against men at a much earlier age than ours.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2020 23:47:47 GMT
Our academy is miles better than theirs now and has been for years. Indeed, the difference is their academy players get to play first team football against men at a much earlier age than ours. Yup. It’s part of their club culture, it’s what their fans want. Our fans seem to hate our young players. It’s fucking barmy.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 8, 2020 23:49:49 GMT
You don’t understand my point? That they’re local, and have sold players for millions over the years (we haven’t - from our amazing academy) and we’re never in for them. This goes back years, you’re insisting on the last 15 years (don’t know why, that was never the point) and we’re a much bigger club, paying bigger money - and we’ve never bought a graduate from Crewe. When a lot of our ‘peers’ have. I don’t know what you don’t understand tbh. Mate, you provided the examples of Ashley Westwood, Luke Varney and Luke Murphy as players we have incompetently missed out on recently. Come on. I used 15 years because they were the players you said we've missed out on in the last 15 years. Our academy is much better now as well. Historically I couldn't answer. Have we missed out on much that we could've got? I don't think so. David Platt in 1987 maybe... Pulis tried to sign Steve Jones in 2006 but he signed for Burnley instead.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Aug 8, 2020 23:56:25 GMT
Why don't we just follow Brentford's scouts around then buy those players first.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2020 23:59:16 GMT
Mate, you provided the examples of Ashley Westwood, Luke Varney and Luke Murphy as players we have incompetently missed out on recently. Come on. I used 15 years because they were the players you said we've missed out on in the last 15 years. Our academy is much better now as well. Historically I couldn't answer. Have we missed out on much that we could've got? I don't think so. David Platt in 1987 maybe... Pulis tried to sign Steve Jones in 2006 but he signed for Burnley instead. Just signed for Sandbach. He looks a right twat.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 9, 2020 0:01:57 GMT
Indeed, the difference is their academy players get to play first team football against men at a much earlier age than ours. Yup. It’s part of their club culture, it’s what their fans want. Our fans seem to hate our young players. It’s fucking barmy. Indeed, it's something I totally understand. Far better watching local young players who have been with the club since they were kids who want to learn and progress than 30 somethings on their last pay day just winding down their career.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 9, 2020 0:05:25 GMT
Pulis tried to sign Steve Jones in 2006 but he signed for Burnley instead. Just signed for Sandbach. He looks a right twat. He's been at Nantwich for a few years, played with Fuller. He was a very quick goal scoring right winger in his prime, he'd have done a good job for us back then when we were lacking pace (as we always seem to be)
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Post by lordb on Aug 9, 2020 9:10:07 GMT
Our academy is miles better than theirs now and has been for years. Indeed, the difference is their academy players get to play first team football against men at a much earlier age than ours. Much easier to do in the 4th division though isn't it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 9:23:51 GMT
Indeed, the difference is their academy players get to play first team football against men at a much earlier age than ours. Much easier to do in the 4th division though isn't it. Not really. It’s a crap excuse and one that goes for all of English football.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 9:25:06 GMT
Just signed for Sandbach. He looks a right twat. He's been at Nantwich for a few years, played with Fuller. He was a very quick goal scoring right winger in his prime, he'd have done a good job for us back then when we were lacking pace (as we always seem to be) Did nothing at Nantwich, Hackett. He was awful. In fact I think he only played two or three games I remember him in the day at Sligo. Never thought much of him to be honest.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 9, 2020 12:20:45 GMT
Didn't we sign Ben Marshall and Lund from them? Yeah they followed Steve Holland before he did a Quiterall and buggered off to Chelsea.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 13:56:17 GMT
Didn't we sign Ben Marshall and Lund from them? Yeah. Said that in the first post
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 14:06:39 GMT
Is Crewe 15 miles " Down " The road, or "UP" the road. Technically its Up the road as they are North... But here lies a problem...From Stone you go up to Stafford, even though it's clearly south, but the A34 Yarlet is quite a climb...Dunno... You’re right you know. It’s up the road. I believe you "fuck off UP the vale" and "piss off DOWN crewe" The reason you go Down crewe is because of the 'special' training the academy starlets are expected to perform after every practice in the showers ! Just saying GD
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 9, 2020 14:23:37 GMT
It’s part of their club culture Alongside turning a blind eye to systematic sexual absue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 17:20:04 GMT
25 years ago???? You’re so wrong. Lunt > SWFC Rivers > Norwich Whaley > Bradford Adebola > Birmingham Hulse > WBA Wayne Collins > Wednesday Jermaine Wright > Ipswich Clayton Donaldson > Brum Billy Jones > Preston David Vaughan > R Sociedad James Bailey > Derby Dave Wright > Ipswich Some very good players there, and going to clubs the same size as Stoke. Yet we didn’t even go for them, but they were better than what we had. Why don’t we go for them? Ok 15+ years then We did go for Adebola. Kamara wanted him but Moxey signed the cheaper Liggtbourne instead.Hilde was in the Stoke directors box at a match all set to sign. I'll be honest I don't know who Bailey or Wright are. When were they? Taylor from Sheff Utd was our man target then. Think we bid about 700k but he wasn't interested.
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Post by lordb on Aug 9, 2020 17:25:39 GMT
Ok 15+ years then We did go for Adebola. Kamara wanted him but Moxey signed the cheaper Liggtbourne instead.Hilde was in the Stoke directors box at a match all set to sign. I'll be honest I don't know who Bailey or Wright are. When were they? Taylor from Sheff Utd was our man target then. Think we bid about 700k but he wasn't interested. Yes that's right Adebola was interested but was more expensive than Liggtbourne
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 18:07:42 GMT
Taylor from Sheff Utd was our man target then. Think we bid about 700k but he wasn't interested. Yes that's right Adebola was interested but was more expensive than Liggtbourne I was good friends with his lady friend, Donna at the time actually I think a few were
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