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Post by steinosjockstrap on Jul 4, 2020 20:25:45 GMT
Matches W D L Goals Points PPM
34 5 13 16 28:46 28 0.82 Jones
26 8 11 7 30:31 35 1.35 Rowett
26 11 5 10 41:34 38 1.46 O'Neill
As the above shows (if we didn't know already) O'Neill trumps the previous 2 managers. He's played an identical number of games to Rowett as well,but how much better we have been under him,even though Rowett lost less games.
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Post by Simon Drainrod on Jul 4, 2020 20:27:39 GMT
Jones wins hands down!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 4, 2020 20:28:17 GMT
Matches W D L Goals Points PPM 34 5 13 16 28:46 28 0.82 Jones 26 8 11 7 30:31 35 1.35 Rowett 26 11 5 10 41:34 38 1.46 O'Neill As the above shows (if we didn't know already) O'Neill trumps the previous 2 managers. He's played an identical number of games to Rowett as well,but how much better we have been under him,even though Rowett lost less games. How many times have we scored more than 3 goals under MoN. I like him and think he’ll be a great manager for us. |
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 4, 2020 20:29:34 GMT
I'm still angry at how bad Jones was. How is it even fucking possible to be that bad?
I really need to let it go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 20:33:08 GMT
So say Alexander Armstrong and Richard Osman |
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 4, 2020 20:35:00 GMT
All three managers have had to deal with over inflated egos but MON has dealt with them the best.
I honestly thought after the Boro and Wigan games there was no way back but MON has brought us back from the precipice again.
He's definitely got something to get a tune out of these wankers.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 4, 2020 20:36:18 GMT
I'm still angry at how bad Jones was. How is it even fucking possible to be that bad? I really need to let it go. I was impressed by the Jones “story” when he came first and what he appeared to achieve against Leeds (little did I realise then that it was the players deciding to raise their game rather than a Jones masterclass). I think he gave it his all but ended up even more unhinged than when he arrived. |
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Post by Davef on Jul 4, 2020 20:40:29 GMT
You've got to bear in mind what O'Neill walked into. His record is incredible really, especially when you consider there have been some real howlers of results in there. That shows that he can lift players and get good performances from under performing players.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 20:42:59 GMT
I'm still angry at how bad Jones was. How is it even fucking possible to be that bad? I really need to let it go. I was impressed by the Jones “story” when he came first and what he appeared to achieve against Leeds (little did I realise then that it was the players deciding to raise their game rather than a Jones masterclass). I think he gave it his all but ended up even more unhinged than when he arrived. Bit of a Jones-Town massacre today Sorry |
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Post by Simon Drainrod on Jul 4, 2020 20:44:26 GMT
So say Alexander Armstrong and Richard Osman If you are old enough to remember Chris Kamara, you’ll know it’s been worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 20:46:11 GMT
So say Alexander Armstrong and Richard Osman If you are old enough to remember Chris Kamara, you’ll know it’s been worse. Had some shocking luck and awful results but still like him |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jul 4, 2020 20:55:10 GMT
So say Alexander Armstrong and Richard Osman If you are old enough to remember Chris Kamara, you’ll know it’s been worse. Jones is a far worse manager than Kamara when you take into account the resources both managers had available to him. Jones was an abomination. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 4, 2020 20:57:39 GMT
I liked Jones, I thought he had shit luck first 10 games into the season and it just spiralled out of control. His inexperience shone through and every time he tried to correct something he made it worse. I'm sure he will still be successful in the end, you can't fault his efforts.
Rowett was decent, i thought he would have taken us up this season. Not liked but does a job, a Rowett team deserves to be respected.
I wasn't sure with MON at 1st, I didn't think the transition from international football to league football would be so easy for him but he's just class isn't he? His man management seems to be spot on, I am confident he will take us back to the prem given time. Everything he does seems very professional, I can only think of Pulis who would have got that response after a disappointing defeat against Wigan, they're not even his players either so it's even more impressive.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jul 4, 2020 21:05:11 GMT
I liked Jones, I thought he had shit luck first 10 games into the season and it just spiralled out of control. His inexperience shone through and every time he tried to correct something he made it worse. I'm sure he will still be successful in the end, you can't fault his efforts. Rowett was decent, i thought he would have taken us up this season. Not liked but does a job, a Rowett team deserves to be respected. I wasn't sure with MON at 1st, I didn't think the transition from international football to league football would be so easy for him but he's just class isn't he? His man management seems to be spot on, I am confident he will take us back to the prem given time. Everything he does seems very professional, I can only think of Pulis who would have got that response after a disappointing defeat against Wigan, they're not even his players either so it's even more impressive. Far too kind on Jones. The best I can say about him is the job was too big for him and he wasn't ready for the different challenge posed by managing a 'big' club with highly paid players. Rowett is a good, solid championship manager. But you just can't ignore the money he wasted. Around £50m signing players we didn't need or weren't good enough or both. He is just as culpable as Hughes for our bloated squad filled with too many highly paid wasters on long contracts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 21:10:43 GMT
So say Alexander Armstrong and Richard Osman If you are old enough to remember Chris Kamara, you’ll know it’s been worse. I'm old enough to have forgotten Kamara ever existed... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 21:13:57 GMT
Graham Paddon trumps the lot for shitness, albeit a caretaker.
As bad as Jones' record was, my anger is reserved for Rowett, who chronically wasted our parachute payments.
Having said all that, he shouldn't have been here to spend it. Totally ill suited to the job.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 4, 2020 21:24:31 GMT
I liked Jones, I thought he had shit luck first 10 games into the season and it just spiralled out of control. His inexperience shone through and every time he tried to correct something he made it worse. I'm sure he will still be successful in the end, you can't fault his efforts. Rowett was decent, i thought he would have taken us up this season. Not liked but does a job, a Rowett team deserves to be respected. I wasn't sure with MON at 1st, I didn't think the transition from international football to league football would be so easy for him but he's just class isn't he? His man management seems to be spot on, I am confident he will take us back to the prem given time. Everything he does seems very professional, I can only think of Pulis who would have got that response after a disappointing defeat against Wigan, they're not even his players either so it's even more impressive. Far too kind on Jones. The best I can say about him is the job was too big for him and he wasn't ready for the different challenge posed by managing a 'big' club with highly paid players. Rowett is a good, solid championship manager. But you just can't ignore the money he wasted. Around £50m signing players we didn't need or weren't good enough or both. He is just as culpable as Hughes for our bloated squad filled with too many highly paid wasters on long contracts. It would be interesting to see a £ on transfers per point achieved |
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Post by Goonie on Jul 4, 2020 21:59:41 GMT
Rowett didn't seem to avail himself to the fans hearts and his football was uninspiring. Awful buys, dull football, the fans soon became disheartened and turned
Jones promised the Earth and delivered dirt. Was deluded and misguided enough to believe he could turn an aging winger into a wingback. His belief outshone his ability yet the fans backed him despite promising youth, pace and hunger and delivered aging, slow disinterested players. Anyone who accuses the fans in the stadium of being fickle needs to review the warmth he was given despite appalling underachievement
O'Neil has taken a rag tag bunch of misfits and, on the whole, has performed well, yet some of the bargain basement acquisitions should have remained there under lock and key, never to see the light of day again. He has not been immune to odd decisions and been responsible for some dreadful performances.
On the whole O'Neil seems to be the best and I hope if he keeps us up we can develop a balanced squad that pushes for the play offs. Most fans have been underwhelmed for 3 or 4 seasons at least and it's a huge task to give us what we think we deserve
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 4, 2020 22:06:01 GMT
I'm so impressed with what I saw today.
I feel like this is totally the managers work, he's dragged them from rock bottom after Tuesday, done what he needed to do, and transformed them into what looked like a very decent team. Loads of respect from me.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 4, 2020 22:08:18 GMT
I'm so impressed with what I saw today. I feel like this is totally the managers work, he's dragged them from rock bottom after Tuesday, done what he needed to do, and transformed them into what looked like a very decent team. Loads of respect from me. Yes but even at 2 nil I was having QPR flashbacks!!!! |
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 4, 2020 22:15:37 GMT
I'm so impressed with what I saw today. I feel like this is totally the managers work, he's dragged them from rock bottom after Tuesday, done what he needed to do, and transformed them into what looked like a very decent team. Loads of respect from me. Yes but even at 2 nil I was having QPR flashbacks!!!! Oh yes indeed!!! The encouraging thing for me from today is that we can be better than this too. We were bit careless on the ball second half and sat back a bit too much for my liking. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 4, 2020 22:32:48 GMT
Rowett didn't seem to avail himself to the fans hearts and his football was uninspiring. Awful buys, dull football, the fans soon became disheartened and turned Jones promised the Earth and delivered dirt. Was deluded and misguided enough to believe he could turn an aging winger into a wingback. His belief outshone his ability yet the fans backed him despite promising youth, pace and hunger and delivered aging, slow disinterested players. Anyone who accuses the fans in the stadium of being fickle needs to review the warmth he was given despite appalling underachievement O'Neil has taken a rag tag bunch of misfits and, on the whole, has performed well, yet some of the bargain basement acquisitions should have remained there under lock and key, never to see the light of day again. He has not been immune to odd decisions and been responsible for some dreadful performances. On the whole O'Neil seems to be the best and I hope if he keeps us up we can develop a balanced squad that pushes for the play offs. Most fans have been underwhelmed for 3 or 4 seasons at least and it's a huge task to give us what we think we deserve I don't think there is any "seems" about it, MON is head and shoulders better than Rowett and Jones, the stats prove it: 11 victories, often with 3 or more goals. Rowett was only interested concerted defending, in trying not to lose, which will avoid relegation, but never achieve promotion. The defence is still very dodgy, regularly making errors, and no one who can do what Whelan used to do for us, breaking up opponents attacks. In fact I don't think we have anyone in MF who can defend as well as Dean Whitehead did for us, crude as he was. Definitely the area that needs a major overhaul if we are ever going to challenge for promotion; successful teams are built on sound defences. |
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Post by The man from Utch on Jul 4, 2020 23:04:31 GMT
I'm still angry at how bad Jones was. How is it even fucking possible to be that bad? I really need to let it go. The club itself losings its way. The feel around any club when it's bad can bring you down to your knees. Jones like Rowett under different circumstances may have worked out. I hope we stay up because my immediate and extended family are all Derby, but I do believe Michael O'Neil and will in League ! if it comes to that. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 4, 2020 23:15:54 GMT
Jones seems as long ago as Rowett in my memory, as if they were both some bygone age. Weird.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jul 4, 2020 23:54:24 GMT
Rowett had the impossible job - as in picked up a team/squad that was rotten to the core - that could not compete at any level in a game of footie and yet was expected to win the league outright by fans and a board that should have known better. Doomed to get sacked but was actually doing alright and we would not have been in this mess had we kept him.
Had we got the NJ/Rowett appointments the wrong way round we would have dropped straight through to tier 3. NJ was another road traffic accident appointment by our clueless owners.
MON is considered the saviour, but has actually only got 3 more points than Rowett in the same amount of games - yet Rowett was considered an abject failure by most Stoke fans and the board - how do we work that one out.
MON should keep his job if he keeps us up and will deserve some time and patience if he does. My worry is that, if we do stay up, when we reach the half way stage next year and are hitting some consistent form and are only 6 points of the play-offs, like Rowett, that the idiotic fans/board will see this as a failure and the cycle will continue and MON will receive his cards and we will have to endure another British hit n hope feck up of an appointment
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Post by ashtonstokie on Jul 5, 2020 1:06:44 GMT
I think for me the difference between Rowett and O'Neill is the amount of goals scored. Meaning when O'Neill gets it right he really does get the team to perform. Rowett was doomed from the start due to the expectation within the club and the fans. What we saw from the way the team played under Rowett it was like watching paint dry bar a few matches. Given time Rowett probably would have done ok for us but once you set upon the fans the end is nigh. IF we stay up and its a big if still then I'm looking forward to seeing what O'Neill can do with a full season.
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Post by Goonie on Jul 5, 2020 6:33:10 GMT
Rowett didn't seem to avail himself to the fans hearts and his football was uninspiring. Awful buys, dull football, the fans soon became disheartened and turned Jones promised the Earth and delivered dirt. Was deluded and misguided enough to believe he could turn an aging winger into a wingback. His belief outshone his ability yet the fans backed him despite promising youth, pace and hunger and delivered aging, slow disinterested players. Anyone who accuses the fans in the stadium of being fickle needs to review the warmth he was given despite appalling underachievement O'Neil has taken a rag tag bunch of misfits and, on the whole, has performed well, yet some of the bargain basement acquisitions should have remained there under lock and key, never to see the light of day again. He has not been immune to odd decisions and been responsible for some dreadful performances. On the whole O'Neil seems to be the best and I hope if he keeps us up we can develop a balanced squad that pushes for the play offs. Most fans have been underwhelmed for 3 or 4 seasons at least and it's a huge task to give us what we think we deserve I don't think there is any "seems" about it, MON is head and shoulders better than Rowett and Jones, the stats prove it: 11 victories, often with 3 or more goals. Rowett was only interested concerted defending, in trying not to lose, which will avoid relegation, but never achieve promotion. The defence is still very dodgy, regularly making errors, and no one who can do what Whelan used to do for us, breaking up opponents attacks. In fact I don't think we have anyone in MF who can defend as well as Dean Whitehead did for us, crude as he was. Definitely the area that needs a major overhaul if we are ever going to challenge for promotion; successful teams are built on sound defences. Well said 👍 If he keeps is up and rebuilds we could have a good season next year |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 5, 2020 6:38:39 GMT
If you are old enough to remember Chris Kamara, you’ll know it’s been worse. I'm old enough to have forgotten Kamara ever existed... What we're our stats under Kamara? |
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 5, 2020 7:15:48 GMT
Matches W D L Goals Points PPM 34 5 13 16 28:46 28 0.82 Jones 26 8 11 7 30:31 35 1.35 Rowett 26 11 5 10 41:34 38 1.46 O'Neill As the above shows (if we didn't know already) O'Neill trumps the previous 2 managers. He's played an identical number of games to Rowett as well,but how much better we have been under him,even though Rowett lost less games. I think that Jones, Rowett and their fans would want the xG added as a column. If that’s eventually added can we add a column for left backs on the books and right backs on the books, thanks. |
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 5, 2020 8:00:03 GMT
I actually understand and get where the club were coming from when they hired Jones. They went for a new, young, passionate manager from the lower leagues with an excellent record at Luton. We were al saying we wanted a name that wasn't Moyes and Co etc...
But wow, he was a total disaster. I wanted him to do well, I really did, but he was so bad.
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