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Post by Cast no shadow on Jun 17, 2020 18:20:52 GMT
The liner should have seen it.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jun 17, 2020 18:21:11 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Jun 17, 2020 18:21:58 GMT
Really don't know why Michael Oliver gets well talked about. I think he's shit and always been shit. Fast tracked by the FA. Think his first game was a stoke match away at Preston and he had an absolute mare, and continued to do so for me. Not his fault. To be fair even the Sheff U players stopped their protests once a goal wasn't signalled. With it looking so obvious and player reaction, couldn't he have gone have a look at it on his screen? Bet he wished he would have done now.
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Post by greenhoff74 on Jun 17, 2020 18:24:20 GMT
Black Lives Matter should have buried that far post header I’ve got a tenner on him getting the first goal.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 17, 2020 18:24:29 GMT
Maybe absence makes the heart grow fonder but I'm enjoying it. Two evenly matched sides, a few chances, controversy.
Can't stand it with the sound off though, the sounds to reminiscent of too many hangovers on the slopes of Watery Lane at 11am on Sunday Morning.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 17, 2020 18:24:43 GMT
I don't think you can blame the ref.
If the refs go onto the pitch not having any faith in the goal line technology, then what's the point in having the goal line technology in the first place?
You might as well ditch it as a poor idea altogether and just use VAR, when you are unsure.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 17, 2020 18:29:14 GMT
The only question now is WHY didn't it work?
Was it not turned on, or was it faulty?
Either way, if the ultimate outcome of the game is effected substantially by it not working, then it could get pretty messy, considering the reason that we are playing these matches in this manner, is due to the millions and millions that are at stake.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 17, 2020 18:30:12 GMT
I don't think you can blame the ref. If the refs go onto the pitch not having any faith in the goal line technology, then what's the point in having the goal line technology in the first place? You might as well ditch it as a poor idea altogether and just use VAR, when you are unsure. VAR should have stepped in. Hawk eye keeping quiet. Wonder what the cover up will be for it? Surely an official could have seen it was over though. Every player in the box knew it. He could have stopped play a sec and requested it be looked at. Probably obvious from the half way line!
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Post by sportsman on Jun 17, 2020 18:33:11 GMT
The only question now is WHY didn't it work? Was it not turned on, or was it faulty? Either way, if the ultimate outcome of the game is effected substantially by it not working, then it could get pretty messy, considering the reason that we are playing these matches in this manner, is due to the millions and millions that are at stake. Or was it turned on but the ref hadn't activated the vibrate mode? Didn't they say it said goal on his watch in the dressing room, or was it just late in telling him 😁 Either way there will be discussions under way to somehow prevent any legal challenge at the end of the season if hawk eye is at fault. A cover up underway.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 17, 2020 18:34:38 GMT
I don't think you can blame the ref. If the refs go onto the pitch not having any faith in the goal line technology, then what's the point in having the goal line technology in the first place? You might as well ditch it as a poor idea altogether and just use VAR, when you are unsure. VAR should have stepped in. Hawk eye keeping quiet. Wonder what the cover up will be for it? Surely an official could have seen it was over though. Every player in the box knew it. He could have stopped play a sec and requested it be looked at. Probably obvious from the half way line! As I said earlier ... is the reason that Hawkeye is "keeping quiet" because the image doesn't actually exist, due to the technology not having been turned on or because it was faulty? This is the important question now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 18:35:05 GMT
Cramp. FFS!
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Post by sportsman on Jun 17, 2020 18:40:04 GMT
VAR should have stepped in. Hawk eye keeping quiet. Wonder what the cover up will be for it? Surely an official could have seen it was over though. Every player in the box knew it. He could have stopped play a sec and requested it be looked at. Probably obvious from the half way line! As I said earlier ... is the reason that Hawkeye is "keeping quiet" because the image doesn't actually exist, due to the technology not having been turned on or because it was faulty? This is the important question now. Is the refs watch automatically set up to activate or has the ref got to do something? Why would it say goal in the dressing room? Was vibrate not activated and he missed it? A few questions that will be interesting to know what went wrong there which could cost 200m quid.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 17, 2020 18:41:12 GMT
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jun 17, 2020 18:44:24 GMT
The only question now is WHY didn't it work? Was it not turned on, or was it faulty? Either way, if the ultimate outcome of the game is effected substantially by it not working, then it could get pretty messy, considering the reason that we are playing these matches in this manner, is due to the millions and millions that are at stake. Maybe it didn’t work because at the point the ball became fully over the line the ball was actually BEHIND the post and the technology only works BETWEEN the posts?
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Post by liathroid on Jun 17, 2020 18:45:31 GMT
VAR should have stepped in. Hawk eye keeping quiet. Wonder what the cover up will be for it? Surely an official could have seen it was over though. Every player in the box knew it. He could have stopped play a sec and requested it be looked at. Probably obvious from the half way line! As I said earlier ... is the reason that Hawkeye is "keeping quiet" because the image doesn't actually exist, due to the technology not having been turned on or because it was faulty? This is the important question now.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 17, 2020 18:47:00 GMT
The only question now is WHY didn't it work? Was it not turned on, or was it faulty? Either way, if the ultimate outcome of the game is effected substantially by it not working, then it could get pretty messy, considering the reason that we are playing these matches in this manner, is due to the millions and millions that are at stake. Maybe it didn’t work because at the point the ball became fully over the line the ball was actually BEHIND the post and the technology only works BETWEEN the posts? It had to cross the line between the posts to get behind the post didn't it?
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Post by stokeykez on Jun 17, 2020 18:47:51 GMT
Im thinking someone switched the technology on and the signal came through in the dressing room, after taking 5 mins to start up. This is far at it's best, that goal should be allowed
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jun 17, 2020 18:53:50 GMT
Maybe it didn’t work because at the point the ball became fully over the line the ball was actually BEHIND the post and the technology only works BETWEEN the posts? It had to cross the line between the posts to get behind the post didn't it? No. I’ve just done an experiment where I rolled a tennis ball (the football) around a broom handle (the post) with the ball touching the post the whole time and the whole ball was not ‘behind the line’ until it was directly behind the post.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 17, 2020 18:57:51 GMT
It had to cross the line between the posts to get behind the post didn't it? No. I’ve just done an experiment where I rolled a tennis ball (the football) around a broom handle (the post) with the ball touching the post the whole time and the whole ball was not ‘behind the line’ until it was directly behind the post. I'm not sure if you're winding me up but let's assume that you're not, then that would be an absolutely huge fundamental error in the actual technology itself wouldn't it?
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Post by Gods on Jun 17, 2020 18:58:48 GMT
Fractional if over at all. Wonder if the tech mistook the keepers glove for another inch of ball?
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Post by sportsman on Jun 17, 2020 19:01:42 GMT
Well that was up there with one of the worst games of live football.
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Post by datguy on Jun 17, 2020 19:03:20 GMT
Is this the first time goal line technology hasn't worked?
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Post by AlliG on Jun 17, 2020 19:04:04 GMT
Fractional if over at all. Wonder if the tech mistook the keepers glove for another inch of ball? Fractional? I believe the standard mesh size for goal nets is 120mm and in the top photo the ball is 1 piece of mesh behind the line!
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Post by sportsman on Jun 17, 2020 19:04:09 GMT
Can someone tell me what the difference is between shaking hands and touching fists like they are all doing?
Think I've been overdoing my handwashing as I've been washing the back of my hands and not just the palms 🙄
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jun 17, 2020 19:07:51 GMT
No. I’ve just done an experiment where I rolled a tennis ball (the football) around a broom handle (the post) with the ball touching the post the whole time and the whole ball was not ‘behind the line’ until it was directly behind the post. I'm not sure if you're winding me up but let's assume that you're not, then that would be an absolutely huge fundamental error in the actual technology itself wouldn't it? No mate I’m not winding you up. I don’t know how the technology works but IF it does measure behind the line only BETWEEN the posts then I think then I think technically my theory could be correct. I suspect on the balance of probability they just hadn’t turned it on 😀
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 17, 2020 19:10:40 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 17, 2020 19:16:14 GMT
The system is fundamentally flawed then ... they've admitted it. They surely can't continue to use it, until the issue is addressed, can they? What if the same thing happens in another match?
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 17, 2020 19:21:38 GMT
Hypothetically, if Sheff Utd miss out on a top 5, or Villa escape relegation by the finest of margins because of this incident and result, will they or other teams take legal action, as Hawkeye have now publicly admitted it was a fault?
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Post by henry on Jun 17, 2020 19:23:20 GMT
Hypothetically, if Sheff Utd miss out on a top 5, or Villa escape relegation by the finest of margins because of this incident and result, will they or other teams take legal action, as Hawkeye have now publicly admitted it was a fault? Have Hawkeye ever claimed it is 100% accurate. ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 19:23:58 GMT
I don't think you can blame the ref. If the refs go onto the pitch not having any faith in the goal line technology, then what's the point in having the goal line technology in the first place? You might as well ditch it as a poor idea altogether and just use VAR, when you are unsure. VAR should have stepped in. Hawk eye keeping quiet. Wonder what the cover up will be for it? Surely an official could have seen it was over though. Every player in the box knew it. He could have stopped play a sec and requested it be looked at. Probably obvious from the half way line! To be fair how many have looked in that weren't previously? FIFA official on RTE said they don't go to VAR on GLT same as going to the screen unless they 100 % feel the need to. Now saying it did buzz but was delayed. Don't think a cover up just a cock up. I see the point in VAR over GLT but it's been spot on so far and kept games flowing which VAR doesn't and has been people's gripe about it
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